Do Collingwood need to enter a rebuild phase?

[Fadge]

Im a complete neutral. You just arent very good. Your depth is amongst the worst in the league

Must have fluked those 16 home and away wins in 2025, which is 10 more wins than Richmond have had in 2024 and 2025 combined...

 

[Aido97]

Yeah, he was only one of the most effective players in the competition going inside 50 in 2025...

And seems you missed my reference to Daicos x 2.

If you are hanging your hopes on Lipinski then its worse than i thought down there. The epitome of a journeyman C grader

 

[Aido97]

Must have fluked those 16 home and away wins in 2025, which is 10 more wins than Richmond have had in 2024 and 2025 combined...

What do Richmond have to do with this thread? Moronic take from a moronic poster

You had a charmed run in the first half of 2025 but the cracks were there for all to see and you were exposed badly in the second half of the year.

 

[Fadge]

What do Richmond have to do with this thread? Moronic take from a moronic poster

You had a charmed run in the first half of 2025 but the cracks were there for all to see and you were exposed badly in the second half of the year.

'Exposed badly', in finishing top 4, beating the number 1 seed at their home ground in a Qualifying Final, and being an Elliott non free away from being a goal down in the Preliminary Final with 8 minutes to go and all the momentum against the eventual premiers....

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

If you are hanging your hopes on Lipinski then its worse than i thought down there. The epitome of a journeyman C grader

If you don't realise that the one thing Lipinski is good at is hitting a target, particularly inside 50 then maybe step away from the conversation and let the people who know what they are talking about talk. The ones that hit targets inside 50 with high certainty for the Pies are Lipinski, Daicos x2, Pendlebury, Houston and McCreery. They are not all A Graders but they can hit targets. Mocking those players kicking just screams troll.

 

[Fadge]

If you are hanging your hopes on Lipinski then its worse than i thought down there. The epitome of a journeyman C grader

Yeah, I might be different to you in that I rate players who can deliver the ball inside 50 well quite highly.

It may not give him the high Supercoach points or PLaYeR RaTiNGZ, but it helps win games of football.

 

[boncer34]

The concept of Lipinski being effective inside 50 is true. For players who played 12+ (I like a dozen as a number) he ranked 19th for disposal inside 50 retained by own team.

Problem is he ranked 95th for average inside 50s.

Context here is important kids.

 

[Cyclops]

'Exposed badly', in finishing top 4, beating the number 1 seed at their home ground in a Qualifying Final, and being an Elliott non free away from being a goal down in the Preliminary Final with 8 minutes to go and all the momentum against the eventual premiers....

Worst final 4 since...2020? 2017?

We collapsed down to third, after establishing a clear break on the comp, obviously just a very lucky bottom 4 side, easy draw with most of the top 8 and all the top 4 twice.

Honestly we should have surrendered our spot to someone who earned it.

 

[Fadge]

The concept of Lipinski being effective inside 50 is true. For players who played 12+ (I like a dozen as a number) he ranked 19th for disposal inside 50 retained by own team.

Problem is he ranked 95th for average inside 50s.

Context here is important kids.

So you're comparing him with players who played up to half as many games?

Where did he rank in absolute terms? That is - total effective disposals inside 50...

 

[nineteen eighty]

'Exposed badly', in finishing top 4, beating the number 1 seed at their home ground in a Qualifying Final, and being an Elliott non free away from being a goal down in the Preliminary Final with 8 minutes to go and all the momentum against the eventual premiers....

Started 25 season excellently. No-one can argue against that.

From round 18, the team lost 5 of the last 7 games. A number by a small margin. You won against the Crows who choked...badly!

The team is going into the season with question marks around the forward line and with Howe injured. And he's mid '30's with a history of going down. DeGoey also struggles to play out a full season and he's another key player for you. Fair to say the Pies won't be contending this year. If you can keep your players on the park, I expect you will be competitive and be around the 11 - 12 wins.

No-one knows how your kids will go as they haven't been seen. I'm not going to predict how they will go (what would I know...I haven't seen them train let alone play). The positive is that with McCrae's coaching (system based), it will be a lot easier for them to come in and have an impact as a role player.

The Pies are a fascinating watch for me this year.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

The concept of Lipinski being effective inside 50 is true. For players who played 12+ (I like a dozen as a number) he ranked 19th for disposal inside 50 retained by own team.

Problem is he ranked 95th for average inside 50s.

Context here is important kids.

I'm not a stats expert. But what you are saying is that there were a lot of players who kicked it much more inside 50 then he did so they had more retained inside 50 stats. I guess context is important.

 

[Fadge]

The team is going into the season with question marks around the forward line and with Howe injured. And he's mid '30's with a history of going down. DeGoey also struggles to play out a full season and he's another key player for you.

Excluding Hill, who I expect we've written off for the season (and didn't offer much in 2025) Collingwood are going into the 2026 season with a fit list aside from two players who are racing against the clock to be right for round 0...

But thanks for your concern.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

The team is going into the season with question marks around the forward line and with Howe injured.

Stopped reading after this.

 

[Fadge]

I'm not a stats expert. But what you are saying is that there were a lot of players who kicked it much more inside 50 then he did so they had more retained inside 50 stats. I guess context is important.

There's a bit of that, and a bit of players who played half as many games, so had far fewer possessions retained inside 50 across the season.

Lipinski is one of those bang for buck players, who will influence a result more with his 20 quality possessions than a ball butcher who gets 30.

 

[Fadge]

Stopped reading after this.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt and assumed he was making two separate points.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

Excluding Hill, who I expect we've written off for the season (and didn't offer much in 2025) Collingwood are going into the 2026 season with a fit list aside from two players who are racing against the clock to be right for round 0...

But thanks for your concern.

You are so unbelievably one-eyed it’s actually a gift. You get defensive when someone puts forward a reasonable case for concern about your fwd line.

So precious

 

[CarmenSandiego]

‘We almost beat Brisbane who went on to win the flag we are da best’

‘We beat Adelaide who went on to be absolute pretenders we are da best’

 

[boncer34]

I'm not a stats expert. But what you are saying is that there were a lot of players who kicked it much more inside 50 then he did so they had more retained inside 50 stats. I guess context is important.

Yes.

That's what I said. Thank you for repeating it.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

There's a bit of that, and a bit of players who played half as many games, so had far fewer possessions retained inside 50 across the season.

Lipinski is one of those bang for buck players, who will influence a result more with his 20 quality possessions than a ball butcher who gets 30.

Of course there are plenty of players who get the ball more and kick it inside 50 much more and therefore have higher amount of retention by pure numbers then Lipinski. But year on and year out Lipinski is up their for percentage retained and scores from 50 entry's. He is a pure C grade talent (maybe B grader at times) in my books but you cant fault his kicking. Its class. Put it in his hands any day of the week over most players in the league.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Yes.

That's what I said. Thank you for repeating it.

I think I said it better with less bullshit.

 

[Fadge]

‘We beat Adelaide who went on to be absolute pretenders we are da best'

What made Adelaide pretenders?

Collingwood breaking them.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

What made Adelaide pretenders?

Collingwood breaking them.

They are still having nightmares about Moore and Sidebottom

 

[Mynamesinuse]

Yep

No I didn’t.

The concept of Lipinski being effective inside 50 is true. For players who played 12+ (I like a dozen as a number) he ranked 19th for disposal inside 50 retained by own team.

Problem is he ranked 95th for average inside 50s.

Context here is important kids.

Yep and that’s playing in a team of 30 plus year olds feeding you the ball.

 

[Mynamesinuse]

Excluding Hill, who I expect we've written off for the season (and didn't offer much in 2025) Collingwood are going into the 2026 season with a fit list aside from two players who are racing against the clock to be right for round 0...

But thanks for your concern.

Miochek ??

 

[Fadge]

Miochek ??

Mihocek (as his name is correctly spelt) is no longer on Collingwood's list, so isn't considered when referencing Collingwood's injury list.