No Oppo Supporters General AFL discussion and other club’s news - Part 10

[kazzooka]

That would cost money, it wouldn’t be cheap.
Which would impact the bonus of Gilligan and the muppets at AFL house.

Yep, AFL's policy has been to expect the broadcaster to pay for critical umpiring equipment.

And they have no interest in it as there is so much content and clicks to be had by having terrible quality review system. Also Their responsibility is to broadcast not umpire.

It should be an entirely different system that can be installed at every ground (including smaller venues) and it's in the full control of ARC and the umpiring department.

 

[kazzooka]

People get so fired up about umpring - the absolute dumbest thing to say is "there's no problem, things are great. Better than great!"

I get that a player has to stand the mark. i.e. give the player with the ball enough room to have a free kick. I don't why the defending team HAS to put a player on the mark. Why can't they choose to have nobody there? That's a very dumb aspect to what Swanny has brought in.

Wasn't there an instance in one of our games where nobody stood the mark and Weddle just ran on and kicked an easy goal?

I thought that was allowed?

If it's not allowed the reason would be that the player with the ball is then kicking into 18 vs 17 but they'd also be able to play on uninhibited so it evens out.

 

[cyrilsez]

The old midfielder double agent disguised as a home town retirement free agent bargain, second time Geelong have fallen for that this week.

Chief this calls for the Cone of Silence.

 

[Elhawko]

Chief this calls for the Cone of Silence.

I was wondering how many times Big Maxi has seen a shot for goal slide narrowly wide and declare 'missed it by that much'!

 

[theiaofseed]

Wasn't there an instance in one of our games where nobody stood the mark and Weddle just ran on and kicked an easy goal?

I thought that was allowed?

If it's not allowed the reason would be that the player with the ball is then kicking into 18 vs 17 but they'd also be able to play on uninhibited so it evens out.

They changed it last year where they made it a rule someone has to man the mark(where the umpire calls it), which I believe was to combat Hawthorn where we would drop off and set up the start of our zone which didnt need to follow the stand rule.

 

[BigTonkaTroy]

They changed it last year where they made it a rule someone has to man the mark(where the umpire calls it), which I believe was to combat Hawthorn where we would drop off and set up the start of our zone which didnt need to follow the stand rule.

You’re not forced to man the mark you can still back off 5M and not stand it BUT if you’re within 5 meters of the mark you have to stand the mark. was bought in because Collingwood mainly would run to stand the mark then back off and then still be technically standing it so they could defend better same with what hawks and Brisbane did.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

You’re not forced to man the mark you can still back off 5M and not stand it BUT if you’re within 5 meters of the mark you have to stand the mark. was bought in because Collingwood mainly would run to stand the mark then back off and then still be technically standing it so they could defend better same with what hawks and Brisbane did.

I believe thats correct, if you come from In front of where the mark is but don't encroach within 5m you don't have to stand the mark its only if you start within that 5m. That's why Witts had to stand the mark on the weekend because he was involved in the marking contest not JUH who wasn't.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

So, story has just come out that Ross Lyon was at best casually racist, at worst deliberately.

The lack of 20 hit-pieces is interesting

 

[hr_23]

So, story has just come out that Ross Lyon was at best casually racist, at worst deliberately.

The lack of 20 hit-pieces is interesting

Bit of a nothing burger
Hill came out on Insta & defended him
Players raised they weren't comfortable with his comments
He apologized offered to stand down if they were deeply offended
They hugged it out & have moved on
Sounds like it was handled incredibly well

 

[Mitchell Madness]

But its not about the players. Its about the "optics"

 

[TylerDurden]

Bit of a nothing burger
Hill came out on Insta & defended him
Players raised they weren't comfortable with his comments
He apologized offered to stand down if they were deeply offended
They hugged it out & have moved on
Sounds like it was handled incredibly well

Agree. Handled as well is at could be.

 

[GerryLewis]

Bit of a nothing burger
Hill came out on Insta & defended him
Players raised they weren't comfortable with his comments
He apologized offered to stand down if they were deeply offended
They hugged it out & have moved on
Sounds like it was handled incredibly well

Agree. Mature response by all involved. Sounds like Ross walked away with some important learnings.

 

[Yardie]

I believe thats correct, if you come from In front of where the mark is but don't encroach within 5m you don't have to stand the mark its only if you start within that 5m. That's why Witts had to stand the mark on the weekend because he was involved in the marking contest not JUH who wasn't.

Maybe you don't have these issues if you actually enforce them at all times. Remember when Grundy just waltzed out of the centre against us and the and the umpire did nothing.

If you want a new rule to stick then make it stick. We have too much rule of the week enforcement and then relaxation.

 

[Changa10]

Maybe you don't have these issues if you actually enforce them at all times. Remember when Grundy just waltzed out of the centre against us and the and the umpire did nothing.

If you want a new rule to stick then make it stick. We have too much rule of the week enforcement and then relaxation.

Yes, easiest way to fix that one is the player giving away the free kick MUST be the person that stands the mark.

 

[HawthornHawk]

BGZ with another nothing game for North on the weekend.. Will he be their version of DGB?

His career so far coupled with Ben Mckay

32

Ben Mckay

Age

28

Ht

202cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.5

2star

K

3.7

1star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.7

4star

MG

77.2

1star

D

7.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.5

2star

MG

88.5

2star

D

7.0

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

67.8

1star

's form a great reminder of how lucky we got after the 2023 season concluded.

 

[kazzooka]

Was interesting that the comment was similar to one that Rioli accused Clarkson of in the report. "Brother boys"

But it's a bit of a nothing story, I think he was trying to encourage that group but say he wanted more players involved. Poorly chosen words, admitted his error and apologised and moved on.

He should have simply said, "guys we've been running this drill but using the same players in each passage we need to get more guys involved." so something without bringing race into it and implying that they were intentionally conspiring to pass to each other rather than it just being a coincidence which is far more likely.

But it's great that players are empowered to speak up against it to the senior coach and deal with it, and that he's willing to listen.

I think the problem at Hawthorn is that nobody felt empowered to say that they were uncomfortable until they were long gone from the club and someone approached and specifically asked them questions about their racial treatment. Staff never got the chance to learn that their language was problematic as players didn't want to speak up and it was head down and get on with it. And those who probably did feel empowered to speak up, weren't bothered by it as everyone interprets things differently and our senior indigenous players had long standing relationships with the coach so knew his heart was in the right place and brushed off cringe comments that younger guys could feel isolated by.

 

[kazzooka]

BGZ with another nothing game for North on the weekend.. Will he be their version of DGB?

His career so far coupled with Ben Mckay's form a great reminder of how lucky we got after the 2023 season concluded.

Who?

 

[TylerDurden]

Who?

Big Game Zane.

 

[BigTonkaTroy]

Big Game Zane.

You do realise if Zane duursma was drafted to Competent team that actually knows how to develop kids he’d be a gun right?

 

[hfc70]

Big Game Zane.

Josh Thurgood had bigger muscles.

 

[badgrill]

Maybe you don't have these issues if you actually enforce them at all times. Remember when Grundy just waltzed out of the centre against us and the and the umpire did nothing.

If you want a new rule to stick then make it stick. We have too much rule of the week enforcement and then relaxation.

did I hear last night they were going to re-reinforce that rule? So if a ruck gives away a free like that, they (or a team mate) must stand?

 

[peetoo]

Am I missing something? All this doom and gloom game in crisis etc?

So Adelaide got screwed? That’s happened several times already

 

[TassieGrown]

You do realise if Zane duursma was drafted to Competent team that actually knows how to develop kids he’d be a gun right?

You do realise if Zane duursma was drafted to Competent team that actually knows how to develop kids he’d be a gun right?

 

[kazzooka]

Maybe you don't have these issues if you actually enforce them at all times. Remember when Grundy just waltzed out of the centre against us and the and the umpire did nothing.

If you want a new rule to stick then make it stick. We have too much rule of the week enforcement and then relaxation.

Remember when your weren't allowed to abuse umpires and "arms out is 50m" then the media goes nuts about the bad calls, that now every game players are whinging to umpires.

I was totally on butters side regarding the fine as he denied saying it and the rat umpire in question had his audio deleted. But even if he said "surely that's not a free" or "how can you pay that" I think it's 50m. (Barrass shoould have been kicking from the goal line over that as petracca, witts, and juh all showed dissent)

You can politely question and say, "hey mate, what was the reason for that free" or "what am i meant to do in that situation to avoid a free?" actually learning from the umpire why a decision was made or how you may have the ruling incorrect. And also like clarkson said in his presser. Players make mistakes, umpires make mistakes, who cares. Sometimes you just have to accept that the umpire didn't see something or made a mistake.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

I get that a player has to stand the mark. i.e. give the player with the ball enough room to have a free kick. I don't why the defending team HAS to put a player on the mark. Why can't they choose to have nobody there? That's a very dumb aspect to what Swanny has brought in.

Further to the stand rule, which I abhor, if the player has to stand perfectly still, why isn't the kicker forced to kick over the man on the mark? You see a player standing the mark like a shag on a rock while the player with the ball runs off the line. It may not annoy others, but it does me.