Banter FOOTY Banter! - Who will be better in 2026? Carlton or Collingwood Part 9

[Ctracks]

Don't be too concerned...neutral supporters could see what was going on last night and who is the better team.
And the stats paint a clear picture.

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If only you'd used it better when kicking at goal, could have looked like this.

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Memes not based on reality, typical for Carlton nuffies.

 

[Chronz]

LOL

The pressure is on the hawks to stay up for the season.


The cliff is coming for Collingwood, no stress for me.
So no, not coping hard.

He's a bit miffed, his robypoints model probably had the hawks with the top 15 players on the ground yet all they could muster was a draw to our Old and Gawn list. He may need to tinker with it a bit but we all know It's a complete tear down job, get on the buzzer to Hoyney asap!

 

[Crankyhawk]

You know that they say about class and form?



That's not what the data suggests.

Bottling = performing below expectation based on prior outcomes being better

Consistently shit = this entire year having poor conversion (while opponents consistently shoot the lights out)

 

[76woodenspooners]

The cliff is coming for Collingwood, no stress for me.
So no, not coping hard.

Here’s a fun fact nobody has seemed to notice:

Over a quarter of the Collingwood teamsheet that just drew with Hawthorn has played less than 20 games.

#tooold

 

[Carringbush2010]

And yet I would take another 25 years of crap over being a Collingwood supporter.

Enjoy!

 

[RPCB]

Collingwood 132.7 games vs Hawthorn 120.9 of experience.

100-200+ games = Collingwood 15 vs Hawthorn 11.

50-99 games (Naicos is 23 and has played 102 games, so it’s still very much a young range) = Hawthorn 11 vs Collingwood 1.

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Collingwood supporters talking about how inexperienced they were against Hawthorn is so on brand for them.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Collingwood supporters talking about how inexperienced they were against Hawthorn is so on brand for them.

It’s exciting, isn’t it? Seeing Collingwood’s future contributing to a team that remains competitive.

Chin up … maybe Carlton’s next generation will get to experience that one day? Obviously you need to wait until you get your next coach before you’re any chance of that.

 

[doppleganger]

Here’s a fun fact nobody has seemed to notice:

Over a quarter of the Collingwood teamsheet that just drew with Hawthorn has played less than 20 games.

#tooold

Yep Pies had 7 players who had played under 50 games, the Hawks had just 1.

The cliff has arrived

 

[RPCB]

It’s exciting, isn’t it? Seeing Collingwood’a future contributing to a team that remains competitive.

Chin up … maybe Carlton’s next generation will get to experience that one day? Obviously you need to wait until you get your next coach before you’re any chance of that.

Around July or October then.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Around July or October then.

The last time Wright was involved in sacking a coach it was the lead into King’s Birthday - so it could be as soon as June.

 

[sr36]

Bottling = performing below expectation based on prior outcomes being better

Consistently shit = this entire year having poor conversion (while opponents consistently shoot the lights out)

You've got deadly converters. But you take a lot of lower percentage shots because you're very good at finding space and uncontested ball up forward, which means lower percentage shots.

 

[Crankyhawk]

You've got deadly converters. But you take a lot of lower percentage shots because you're very good at finding space and uncontested ball up forward, which means lower percentage shots.

it really felt that there were a lot of set shots in front (maybe 30 degrees to each side) that we sprayed.

 

[sr36]

it really felt that there were a lot of set shots in front (maybe 30 degrees to each side) that we sprayed.

You missed a few against us. Not an issue though. Contest up forward is your only real issue.

 

[Crankyhawk]

You missed a few against us. Not an issue though. Contest up forward is your only real issue.

its an issue when the opponents consistently kick similar ones (set shots).

 

[sr36]

its an issue when the opponents consistently kick similar ones (set shots).

It's one you need data to check out. I'm not doing it. But to me, you're playing a front half game really successfully and that results in lower accuracy - you're winning centre clearance often (the ruck rules have been great for you) and then set up to intercept quite high up the field and do it really often - it means when you get broken through the opposition get easier shots than you do with a congested forward half, as the opposition have clogged the corridor.

 

[Crankyhawk]

It's one you need data to check out. I'm not doing it. But to me, you're playing a front half game really successfully and that results in lower accuracy - you're winning centre clearance often (the ruck rules have been great for you) and then set up to intercept quite high up the field and do it really often - it means when you get broken through the opposition get easier shots than you do with a congested forward half, as the opposition have clogged the corridor.

I was very surprised that the expected score thought the pies should have scored much lower too; I couldn't think of many/ any that you got that I thought were arsey from set shots.

 

[sr36]

I was very surprised that the expected score thought the pies should have scored much lower too; I couldn't think of many/ any that you got that I thought were arsey from set shots.

We kicked them all though - that's rare - a lot of them were 2 out 3 shots - so only worth 4 in expected score rather than the 6 points we got.

Expected score is good for showing how accurately your team kicked for goal. You were a goal down and on average would have normally gotten 14.14 from those shots rather than 13.15

The head to head stuff is silly though. In a game like that where you were so dominant at centre clearance, it was bad for our expected score when we kicked a goal. A point would have been better for our expected score, as we would have been more likely to get the next opportunity to score due to field position with a kick out than with it going back to the centre. It's why Dees under Goodwin used to kill it in expected score. They'd have a really tough shot - kick a point (worth more than a point on expected score) and then lock it forward for another really tough point, etc ... Points were giving them the next shot on goal because Lever, May and Gawn were so hard to kick through. Their game style was great for expected score wins, but not great for actual scoreboard wins, as it was just really hard work to kick goals and they didn't have the forwards for that level of congestion in their forward 50.

 

[Do_Beta_Rapport]

The AFL learning the hard way again about putting Carlton in any other time slot but 9am on a Sunday morning.

What a joke.

 

[NetworkNerd]

Again Carlton... come on

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Hahahaha
It's happening again.

Ahead of 18th on % only

 

[stormskye]

Never mind blues fans. Jagga #BetterthanDaicos will drag you over line

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Cripps will end his career with 4 finals.
Nearly cooked.

 

[Do_Beta_Rapport]

We now have a problem where Carlton are too bad.

Need them picking up a few wins regarding Cody Walker/draft position.

How are they this bad?

 

[Fadge]

How are they this bad?

Good question.

Who would have seen this coming?

 

[Art Vandelay_]

We now have a problem where Carlton are too bad.

Need them picking up a few wins regarding Cody Walker/draft position.

How are they this bad?

We'll give them their annual win to try and help Vossy stay longer.