Amazing how pissweak Gill is.
I like Jobe, and I feel terrible for him... But you can't have the best and fairest be a drug cheat; why is it even a question?
Good summation. It seems like Hurley has accepted that, intentionally or not, it was a doping program.
The sanctions were justified - they've been served, so, with respect to the players, it's time to move on.
When you look back at how the AFL handled this... Hopefully it doesn't happen...
He came across as sympathetic to Hird, and, justifiably, despising Dank.
I know a couple of AFL players - very few of them buy the explanation; they are hammered on doping and the rules around it; they aren't babes in the wood.
Or you suspect it's wrong, but your employer tells you it's...
Hird knew what they were using.
But if he admits it, he goes from an incompetent coach, to an active participant and driver of the doping program.
The same as the bullshit about the 'unknown Mexican substance' - they know exactly what it is, which is exactly why they won't reveal it.
So filling out the forms isn't optional... But filling them our accurately, is?
mxett, I was told a long time ago that you were one of the more balanced posters; but you are completely full of it. You frequently post half truths and lie by omission; and focus on pedantry and twisting reality...
I think Evans trusted Hird, and when it all went to s**t and he realised what had happened, he tried to do the right thing and take responsibility, and was cut off at the knees as a result.
Regarding the players, I suspect Dank was smart in that he told them what they were doing was legal, but...
Knowing a couple of AFL players and having discussed this with them, they are strictly and strongly aware of what they're meant to do - and what they can't do (as are the ex national level swimmers I'm mates with); they're absolutely hammered on it.
Which is why I keep coming back to the Cult...
The whole self reporting thing is bullshit anyway.
If Hird had discovered Dank was doing this, and self-reported?
That's honest and showing integrity.
Keeping it going until you realise the gig is up, you're totally ****ed, and you've been told the s**t is about to hit the fan... AND THEN...
Is there any action pending against Hird?
Because the players, unfortunately, deserve the ban...
But Hird should be banned for life; and I hope to Christ that's a possibility.
Brilliant.
I never understood the part where Hird went the AFL for tipping them off, and being more focused on 'spin and PR' than facts...
Given they tipped them off that their doping program had been discovered, and the PR and Spin was designed to PROTECT Essendon...
And that 'protocol' is clearly bullshit; every business has documentation and procedure statements that aren't worth the paper they are written on - they are pure arse covering exercising, and that's what this is.
A proctocol to placate Reid, and anyone else concerned, by appearing to have a...
What was the polymer they use to bind the compounds?
Something used on racehorses and the production of coated paper; not tested or approved for use on humans?
Dude, he was conducting experiments on the players.
I don't blame him for the PED program; that's his thing, and it's well known - the dickheads who allowed him to do it to blame there; but experimenting with different compounds/agents etc, on the players, is unconscionable.
And if Dank was...
Hird.
You don't give a known arsonist a tank of fuel, a box of matches, let him run around doing whatever he wants on your property, and then blame him when he burns your house down.
Dank is a piece of s**t, and should be punished, but he should've never had the ability to do what he did...
Spot on.
His entire story is complete bullshit, and his behavior since it all broke basically contradicts his own bullshit claim.
Anyone with a SHRED of integrity, if his story was true, would've owned up straight away; "I made the biggest mistake of my life - I put my trust in the wrong...
Elite athletes are HAMMERED about being responsible for what goes into their bodies; they aren't blameless.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was the cult of Hird that caused the players to throw caution to the wind.
Unfortunately, the players appear to have been part of it.
I do suspect that they were stupidly naive though, instead of willing players; they were told to keep it a secret because they didn't want other Clubs latching on, not because it's banned.
It might be worth a poll, but I think Hird's playing career is completely tainted now as well.
With his connections, and a clear willingness to go to any length to achieve an advantage, I've got no doubt he was a drug cheat as a player.
I'm with you; I thought the players had been screwed by Dank and Hird, that they trusted them to do the right thing, and didn't know what was actually going on...
Turns out, that was all bullshit, and the players were as involved in covering it up as anyone.
I still feel sorry for them, but...
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