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And Phil Walsh. Anyway, good luck to Hugh Greenwood at his new club.

No, it was the right call. Lyons had a garbage attitude, was constantly undermining coaches and clearly didn't want to be at the Suns. Showing him the door was addition by subtraction.

If true, this is very bizarre from the Suns. Completely understood them giving Lyons the flick, but Greenwood has an excellent attitude and seemed to love being a Sun.

It's even more bizarre to think we probably got more than we deserved for Marcbank et al., when Silvagni brought them into Carlton. His list management record makes Barry Prendergast look like a star in comparison.

So it's the fault of Bobby, his manager, Collingwood and the Giants. Does anybody get a pass?

Why is it dumb? Well done to Collingwood for identifying a player that would help their list and offering a decent value, and well done to GWS for asserting what we believe his value is, and holding onto him as a contracted player. Unless you think you know more than the professionals, from...

Mutual disrespect of Colin Young is something most supporters can unite on.

I wouldn't bet against you sending it to Melbourne for a couple of picks in the 20's.

If a club resorts to illegal payments outside of the salary cap, that's a loss. Plain and simple.

The trade value was okay. But, trying to circumvent the Salary Cap to bring him in, was what brought you club to its knees- and cost so many people their job.

And most importantly, everybody involved with the Beams "playing for minimum wage" Deal are gone. List wise, Collingwood will get worse, before they get better, but off the field, they've had the clean out that they needed.

It could be excused in normal circumstances. But, Collingwood traded away the upside of bottoming out (a top 5 draft pick), and are much, much worse off for having traded out Treloar for a net loss, last year.

Wait. You were being serious? Genuinely thought you were taking the piss. Do you honestly believe that the AFL would just allow a club to rort the salary cap?

Yes, we do. We just pay our top end players well, have a lot of players on very short priced deals and don't have many players in the $415,000-$700,000 mark. We also let Jeremy Cameron and Zac Williams go at the end of 2020, and didn't bring any players into replace them, instead utilised that...

Everybody has a price, but I think it's in our best interests to hold onto every player who wants to be at our club, and, Toby clearly does. He's shown loyalty to us, we should show him the same loyalty, through good and bad.

He's not our best player, nor our heart and soul. Kelly is our best player and Kennedy is our heart and soul. To be honest, I blame the club more than I blame Toby. We've let Mumford get away with with his idiotic behaviour and dumb acts for years without consequences, so it's no surprise that...

I rate Crouch but, there's zero chance of us pushing our captain out the door.

One of those names, ain't like the others....

What value does Petrevski-Seton bring to Fremantle? Absolutely none. They'd be crazy to take Carlton's problem child off them, to help a deal go through.

Fremantle would be better off with 6, 25 for Cerra and a 3rd.

No, the salary cap doesn't apply to us. Gil just buys us who we tell him to. Don't be shocked when Cerra joins us this off season and Darcy Moore isn't safe either.

Maybe not the next captain, but undoubtedly the best player in our history.

Brilliant deal for club and player. Thrilled that we get to have Josh for the rest of his career.

Yes and no. Our talent is overrated. The backline we have built is incredibly underrated.

Very unusual post. Schache's first year was actually quite good, and his biggest strength was when the ball hit the ground.

Kelly for the next eight seasons would be a great deal if we can get it over the line.

Completely disagree. Would be an incredible coup if Josh decided to spend the rest of his career with us.

The moment North declared their interest, was when I knew Josh was staying. Thank you North.

I can confirm, but that he is still a North Melbourne member.

He's a North Melbourne member.