#1 pick worth

[JollyRoger]

Pick #1 doesn't have a locked success rate. The reason it's so valuable is because it gives whichever club has it the priority in choosing whoever they want & is guaranteed to be there. IIRC, West Coast were demanding pick 1 from Carlton in the Judd trade, but Carlton were dead-set keen on Kreuzer and weren't prepared to give him up even for Judd, so they traded pick 3 & Kennedy instead.

That isn't to say GWS won't trade it away. While I have no doubt they want Boyd, they'll trade pick 1 + their first round compo pick + Giles for Nic Naitanui in a heartbeat.

True, but when was the last time the #1 pick was used for someone other than the draftee who is considered the most talented regardless of needs? Clubs are too afraid.

And in hindsight, Carlton should have given up Kreuzer instead of Kennedy, #3.

 

[Masto]

Agree completely. Add Dangerfield to that list.

And take out Jeremy Cameron. Very good player but no way would I take him over the #1 pick.

 

[Masto]

True, but when was the last time the #1 pick was used for someone other than the draftee who is considered the most talented regardless of needs? Clubs are too afraid.

And in hindsight, Carlton should have given up Kreuzer instead of Kennedy, #3.

We would have taken Cotchin. In fairness to Carlton, Kreuzer has been injured so we haven't seen the best of him.

 

[Wargreymon90]

And take out Jeremy Cameron. Very good player but no way would I take him over the #1 pick.

Really? I would. One of the most talented key forwards I have seen

 

[the_slurpee_man]

And take out Jeremy Cameron. Very good player but no way would I take him over the #1 pick.

imagine Cameron running around in a decent side.. would put people like jack revoilt to shame!!

 

[Iason]

imagine Cameron running around in a decent side.. would put people like jack revoilt to shame!!

Jack Riewoldt, too.

 

[Masto]

Really? I would. One of the most talented key forwards I have seen

He's not a Buddy Franklin or a Naitanui type player. Probably closer to Josh Kennedy (WCE) than those guys. Good but not elite.

 

[JollyRoger]

He's not a Buddy Franklin or a Naitanui type player. Probably closer to Josh Kennedy (WCE) than those guys. Good but not elite.

Cameron has 54 goals from 25 games playing for a rabble. If that doesn't show his potential to be elite I don't know what does. It took JJK almost 50 games across his first 5 seasons to reach the same number.

 

[the_slurpee_man]

Jack Riewoldt, too.

Used my phone to type it.. didn't check spelling.. but yeh, you get the point..

 

[Wargreymon90]

He's not a Buddy Franklin or a Naitanui type player. Probably closer to Josh Kennedy (WCE) than those guys. Good but not elite.

Cameron is as close a talent to buddy as you'll get. He's just as talented if not more talented than Patton who went number 1

 

[Masto]

Cameron has 54 goals from 25 games playing for a rabble. If that doesn't show his potential to be elite I don't know what does. It took JJK almost 50 games across his first 5 seasons to reach the same number.

2 goals a game is not elite. Until such time he proves himself elite, he isn't elite.

 

[schnoods]

2 goals a game is not elite. Until such time he proves himself elite, he isn't elite.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-05-18/cool-country-cameron

From the article, if that isnt promising as an elite player, I'm not sure what is going to cut it.

Over the first 22 games of their careers, only Tony Lockett, Chris Grant and Gary Ablett snr had kicked more than Cameron's 44 goals.

 

[The Bomb]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-05-18/cool-country-cameron

From the article, if that isnt promising as an elite player, I'm not sure what is going to cut it.

John Coleman kicked 100 goals in his 1st season, 21 games. 12 in his 1st game.

 

[schnoods]

John Coleman kicked 100 goals in his 1st season, 21 games. 12 in his 1st game.

Not sure if the article refers to AFL only or didnt happen to search records more thoroughly, But Coleman will never be matched , Period. Calling him elite is only selling him short, he is goal kicking.

But Cameron will be a future Coleman medalist provided he gets enough feed and injury doesnt get in the way of his progress.

 

[radiojake]

Cameron will certainly be a gun, but that article is pretty selective picking out only Lockett, Grant and Ablett Snr to have kicked more than 44 goals in first 22 games..

Tony Modra kicked his 102nd goal in his 22nd AFL game...

I'm going to assume that there must've been plenty of others too that had a better record...

 

[Blacky]

Cameron is a jet. Get poor delivery and the best back each week.

Quality KPPs are so hard to find, he has played 1.5 season and won a rising star. Unless there is a Riewoldt level #1 player in the draft I would be taking Cameron over the number 1 pick every day of the week.

 

[half_back_flank]

2 goals a game is not elite. Until such time he proves himself elite, he isn't elite.

How many KFs are elite after not even a senior and a half on an AFL list?

He's on track for a 60 goal season in a side that is nearly halfway through the season with a best result being a 5 goal loss.

 

[Tulip]

Cameron is a jet. Get poor delivery and the best back each week.

Quality KPPs are so hard to find, he has played 1.5 season and won a rising star. Unless there is a Riewoldt level #1 player in the draft I would be taking Cameron over the number 1 pick every day of the week.

He is a Riewoldt level player.

 

[Chaisa]

It would have to be someone like Ablett, Franklin, Naitanui, etc. hypothetically.

 

[Yoda_]

How many #1 draft picks have been traded and how many top 5 picks have been traded in the past 5 years since trading and drafting has become an exact science?

 

[Offsider]

How many #1 draft picks have been traded and how many top 5 picks have been traded in the past 5 years since trading and drafting has become an exact science?

Only Gold Coast trading Pick 5 and other picks for Jared Brennan and Pick 10 in 2010 (I would argue that Melbourne and Gold Coast last year and Gold Coast the year before didn't count as they still got junior prospects)

But to counter that argument, how many players worthy of those top 5 picks are put up for trade, very rarely and only when a player wants out, such as Chris Judd.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Surely Melbourne have proven that the no #1 pick in their hands ain't worth too much.

 

[KP78]

I think Cameron and NicNat are worth more than the number 1 pick, they are pretty much exactly what you are hoping to get at best from the number 1 pick.

 

[TwentyNine]

Value of first pick? Invaluable.

 

[Scotland]

Cameron will certainly be a gun, but that article is pretty selective picking out only Lockett, Grant and Ablett Snr to have kicked more than 44 goals in first 22 games..

Tony Modra kicked his 102nd goal in his 22nd AFL game...

I'm going to assume that there must've been plenty of others too that had a better record...

FWIW Modra debuted at 23, Cameron at 18.

Not sure where they were going with the 22 game, 44 goal stat though.

Podsiadly kicked 49 goals in his 19 game debut season...