1 vs 2...

[sandie]

Rooboy, at least the Bombers don't use underhand tactics to try & steal other teams supporters.
I never said I was proud they cheated, I was just responding to another (but you're only on top because you were the only club to cheat) crap.

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Mantis

 

[FreoRules]

Dan24

You can claim more significance with the your system when Essendon stop playing 18 or 19 home games a year, get two games against Collingwood each year (no offense to Pies supporters but they aren't real flash at the minute) and each team plays each other twice.
Until then, your system is irrelevant and holds little credence.
I will agree with you about each team playing everyone once, and then playing all the odd and even teams but how will the Bombers handle the prospect of maybe having to travel a few more times a year and a tougher draw. Also what about home games and away games and doing up memberships etc...

 

[Pessimistic]

Interesting quote:

Daniel Harford after losing to North

"Finals are what it's all about. That's what we're here for. The other 22 rounds are just a warm-up"

And The AFL advertising
'AFL Finals, I'ts only just started"

 

[Arch]

heres an idea (bound to be crapped on by all im sure)
why not make the h&a shorter (15-16 weeks? fairer too), and make the finals longer (dont ask me for details here-thats your job- its just a general theory OK?), so that more emphasis is placed on the finals, rather than as a little 4 week addition, to a long 22 week season. Then the finals winner is a more worthy premier.
considering the h&a is fairly meaningless, irrelevant and is only played to a) eliminate the 8 worst sides & b)rank the top 8 sides into "seedings" for the tournament [which decides the years best team (or premiers)] , why should it be so long, and take up so much % of the overall footy year ?????
do we really even need 22 weeks ????

A.

PS- pls keep any responses to 300 words or less

 

[sandie]

Not a bad idea, but 1 part I am definitely against. Making the season shorter, you have to be kidding, I suffer withdrawal symptoms for to long already.
My idea would br to have 2 divisions of 8 teams, 1 division plays the other seven teams twice, then the next division plays the other 7 teams in their division twice. Then the top 2 or 3 winners from each division play off in a knockout finals system. So we still have a GF.
That would ensure at least 32 weeks of football, with plenty of resting time for the players in each division & more football for fans to watch.
Oh I forgot to mention, the teams who end up on top of each division is awarded a trophy for best team of that division.
OK bag away everyone.

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Mantis

 

[The Dutchman!]

Good post Peter. Even if it appears we have to beat 2,3 & 4 to win a flag (which IS bullshit) if we can't do it this week we don't deserve it.

Ps. Go Roos! Would much rather have you guys in the GF if we overcome the scum.

 

[Dan26]

The word "deserve" is what annoys me here.

If you had said : "if we don't win this week, we won't go to the GF", then fair enough.

But you didn't say that. What I'm also concerned about is the word "premiers". That is an interesting word. It actually mean "best".

Now if the GF winner is only acknowledged as having won a short tournament, then perhaps you're right. Essendon would not deserve to make the GF of that tournament unless they performed in the preliminary. Fair enough.

But the "premiership" is up for grabs. Not a short tournament. It SHOULD be a short tournament, but the AFL have stated that it's not. It overrides all before it.

Now, by definition, Essendon have already proven that they are the best (i.e premier) team of 2000, so i think they DO "deserve" (as you put it) to be acknowledged accordingly.

What I'm saying is, if Essendon lose on Saturday, they don't deserve to make the Grand Final, but they DO deserve to be acknowledged as "premiers".

Like ManU losing the semi-final of the FA CUP. If they lsoe, they don't deserve to make the final. But they DO deserve to be called "premiers" , becasue they proved they were more adept at winning games than any one else over the 6 month season.

That's not a contradiction. Not at all. At least not if you know what I am proposing, as well as taking into account the dictionary definition of the word "premier"

 

[Rooboy 96]

Dan24, you just don't get it, do you.

Clubs don't start the season saying lets finish at the top of the table and win the minor premiership. What they say is lets finish in a position that gives us the best chance of winning the PREMIERSHIP. Being a traditionalist I see no problem in this and don't understand why you get so upset.

Dan, Premier League has just started, you must be so happy. You should see if Dutchie can put you up for the season.

[This message has been edited by Rooboy 96 (edited 23 August 2000).]

 

[Dan26]

Rooboy,

I KNOW the clubs feel that way now. It's no secret. This is not about how it is. It's about how it SHOULD be.

Your precious Grand Final will still culminate the season anyway, even under my proposal. So settle down.

 

[Rooboy 96]

So all past Records, Premierships, Brownlows, and Minor Premierships can not be counted and we all start fresh.

You want to change the essence of the competition. Sorry Dan It wont work.

 

[Hirdhasbigears]

Dan you're like that one on the Yellow Pages ad...

Dan: Why aren't Essendon crowned kings of the entire universe?
Fat Assistant: Because they ain't won no premiership yet sir
(Dan goes all red in the face)
Dan: Count to ten, breathe, one win two wins three four five six seven eight nine ten wins eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen nineteen twenty twenty-one... no they stuffed it whoops...there we go twenty one wins!
Fat Assistant yells from the street

NOT HAPPY DAN?

Written by Julia

 

[Grendel]

You dont 'DESERVE' to be acknowledged the best of the year like the Hawks didnt 'DESERVE' sixth spot!

Dontcha hate it when it comes back and bites ya on the arse

 

[Dan26]

Let me re-phrase.

If we don't win the prelim, we don;t deserve to make the Grand Final.

But we do deserve to be acknowledged as premiers. Home and Away premiers. The team that wins the Grand final SHOULD NOT be called "whole year" champions. But only champions of that 4 week tournament.

Grendel, so the Hawks should be acknowledged as 8th best for the year. But they finished 6th in the 4 week finals series. Two seperate tournaments.

Rooboy, past records still count, but over the last 103 years, I'm just asking the AFL to acknowledge the top of the ladder team and "officially" count top spot in AFL records.

So, AFL records would have Carlton as having won 16 Grand Finals, but ALSO having won 17 Home and Away premiership (top spot)

It's not rocket science, mate.

 

[Rooboy 96]

Dan, how many times would Collingwould be crowned Premier Team? under your idea.

and Matty didn't kick the ton in a season...

if it aint broken, don't fix it.

 

[Dan26]

The Coleman medal is only counted after the H&A rounds fool !

Lloyd won the Coleman with 94 goals. That official. Ask the AFL.

Collingwood has finished on top 17 times, and have won the Grand final 14 times (lost the GF 23 times)

 

[Rooboy 96]

Sorry, how many goals has matty kicked so far this season???

idiot, did they count the goals he kicked in the night series?

 

[Dan26]

The night series is pre-season. the games payed don't count in official AFL records.

If the finals series and the H&A were two seperate tournaments, they are still in the same "season". That being the 2000 season. They are NOT "pre-season"

So, if someone kicks 100 goals, which include a few goals in the finals, it still counts towards their "whole season" total (obviously).

So, Lloydy has kicked 101 goals in the whole "season" thus far.

But he won the Colemans medal for his H&A performance. The stats will show he won the Colemans medal with 94 goals in the Home and away only. Sure, he's kicked 101 overall, including finals, but your Coleman medal winning tally, is based on H&A totals only.

Nothing would change under my system. The finals would NOT be pre-season, so they would still count towards goals "overall". But, if you kick goals in finals, it won't help you win the Colemans medal. That is done during the H&A.

Get it ?

 

[Dan26]

Is that too complicated for you Rooboy ?