2004 Trade/draft period.

[betterthanu]

vB was a 2nd rounder

yeah well by the time vB plays his 500th game hopefully that average has risen greatly. Tippett will also surely play 300+

 

[jo172]

You guys are so defensive. Pearce was a standout in the draft camp. He is also a local boy so we should have had the inside knowledge on him. Our team was/is yearning for some pace and we had a player staring at us in the face.

And not every club passed on him because Port picked him up. And my pet peave is hiding behind "well no other club picked him up". I dont give a stuff what another club did or didnt do, I am only concerned that we didnt.

It is ok to admit the club do stuff up once and awhile, it doesnt mean your not a supporter. Im sure even people at the club would admit we got that one wrong.

Oh my goodness you are the biggest whinger!

Do you realise the fact that we have 2 of our 4 rookies still on our list from that draft? That's an astonishing strike rate! you only have to look at the rookies we picked up in 2005 to note that!

With our 3rd and 4th rounders we picked players of the calibre of Ivan Maric and Chris Knights, players whom i think will be more valuable in the long run then Pearce! Seriously the players we chose before Pearce were Meesen, VB, Gibson, Maric, Knights and Nye. With hindsight we can only say that Pearce will be better then two of the six players we chose ahead of him, that is a great strike rate in drafting!

 

[betterthanu]

drafting if not science, its mostly guess work. Lately we have done better than anyone considering we never have high picks.

 

[Macca19]

Pearce may have burned at Draft Camp, but his U18 games that year were quite unimpressive. It was a bit of a risk. Especially given he was very thin as well.

His meteoric rise from mid 05 through to now has been extraordinary. Noone would have picked it. Yes he may have been right under your nose at your rookie camp and yes you may be screaming out for pace but ah well. You cant draft everybody. For every Pearce or Priddis you missed out on, or every Angwin or Watts who were top pick blunders, youve had a Knights, Johncock, Rutten etc. Its all evened out pretty well.

With those stats from betterthanu, that lack of 2nd round action is pretty strange. Who were those players?

 

[tribey]

Pearce well and truly slipped through the cracks - through no fault of anyone's.

As has been said, he had a stellar draft camp but his form at the U18 Championships and for Sturt was rather ordinary - looked every bit like your classic case of an athlete who excelled at physical testing but was a bit naff on the footy field.

As it turns out you need to be able to see the footy in order to get it - and after Pearce was diagnosed with significant short-sightedness a couple of contact lenses have turned him from a raw athlete to a highly accomplished footballer.

At the time I didn't see my eyesight affecting me, but when I got the glasses and lenses I really noticed a definite improvement, especially with night training and night games," - Link.

 

[CrowMagnum]

Pearce well and truly slipped through the cracks - through no fault of anyone's.

As has been said, he had a stellar draft camp but his form at the U18 Championships and for Sturt was rather ordinary - looked every bit like your classic case of an athlete who excelled at physical testing but was a bit naff on the footy field.

As it turns out you need to be able to see the footy in order to get it - and after Pearce was diagnosed with significant short-sightedness a couple of contact lenses have turned him from a raw athlete to a highly accomplished footballer.

At the time I didn't see my eyesight affecting me, but when I got the glasses and lenses I really noticed a definite improvement, especially with night training and night games," - Link.

Remember him playing in the SANFL and while he was fast his skills, especially disposal, were very underwhelming. He wasn't even that highly regarded at Sturt. Turns out he just needed glasses!

Perhaps they should do eye checks at draft camps instead of beep tests.

 

[betterthanu]

With those stats from betterthanu, that lack of 2nd round action is pretty strange. Who were those players?

Sorry i forgot to say those stats are only from 2000 onwards. In that time we have only had 5 round 2 picks. Include players such as Joshua Krueger, vB, Tippett, Gibson and X factor.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

One thing often gets ignored when analysing the success draft picks and that is the effect (+ve or -ve) the club itself has had on the player since being drafted.

The Richard Tambling vs Lance Franklin argument has been talked about lately. Richmond fans see Franklin kicking bags of 9 goals and think if only we had made a different decision at the draft then we would have a young centre half forward being touted as the next big thing. Would they?

If Franklin had been drafted to Richmond would he be any good? Would he have progressed as much as he has at Hawthorn? Pearce got picked up by Port in 2004 and we all look now at Pearce and think about what might have been. If the Crows had drafted him would he be playing as well as he is now for Port? I'd say no. At Port, Pearce was able to get plenty of league football as a teenager. They struggled in 2006 and to a lesser extent 2005 so the youngsters have got an extended run which has aided their development. At Adelaide we seem to be a bit more protective of our draftees so maybe he wouldn't have played so many games so early. Plus we were trying to win a flag so were less likely to experiment with youth.

The reason Tambling is struggling is not because the Tigers made a bad choice at draft day. It is because Richmond is a shit club with a shit culture and shit coaches and no player will develop well in that environment.

It doesn't stand to reason that if we'd have drafted Pearce, we'd have a gun on our hands just because that is what he is doing at Port. The environment, the coaching, the confidence, the culture and the opportunities available are all key ingredients in determining whether a draft pick turns to be the 'right' decision or not. The quality of a draftee is not predetermined. They literally could be anything.

 

[Crow-mo]

But James was useless apparently

lol

only to the same select group of people.

 

[Crow-mo]

Exactly, we didnt even take a punt on him in the rookie draft

he wasn't first pick in the rookie draft either

 

[Crow-mo]

You guys are so defensive. Pearce was a standout in the draft camp. He is also a local boy so we should have had the inside knowledge on him. Our team was/is yearning for some pace and we had a player staring at us in the face.

And not every club passed on him because Port picked him up. And my pet peave is hiding behind "well no other club picked him up". I dont give a stuff what another club did or didnt do, I am only concerned that we didnt.

It is ok to admit the club do stuff up once and awhile, it doesnt mean your not a supporter. Im sure even people at the club would admit we got that one wrong.

1. this idea that we have an advantage with local boys is a myth perpetuated by Victorian clubs to explain their poor recruiting.
2. he was about the 100th player picked that year. no one gets credit not even Port on that scale.
3. we invited him to our rookie camp and by all accounts had intended to take with one of our picks. I think he was port's 2nd or 3rd rookie pick.
4. it's not about admitting to stuff up's, it's first about agreeing whether there was a stuff up at all. it's a very selective view that suggests we should hold the can here.

 

[Crow-mo]

Good post Carl, environment does matter.

you can argue the merits of one environment over another, but everyone should agree that it is a big contributing factor to the success of a player.

 

[Macca19]

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3. we invited him to our rookie camp and by all accounts had intended to take with one of our picks. I think he was port's 2nd or 3rd rookie pick.

Pretty sure he was our first - pick 16.

 

[MickyCrow]

Seriously we should start a James Fantasia thank you so much thread for the 2004 Draft

FACT: Gary Ayres was an overbearing ******** in regards to drafting/trading

FACT: This draft was the first draft in 5 years where James was under NO pressure to go a certain way from the head coach and was free to do HIS JOB HIS WAY

FACT: In this period he netted us:
a) Scott Thompson for Tyson Stenglien. At least broke even in this trade

b) At the national draft: At the very least three potential 200+ gamers in Chris Knights, Nathan Van Berlo and Ivan Maric. John Meesen could go either way but was the best ruckman in the draft at the time, and Gibson could have been great but attitude? held him back (my sincere apologies drummond )

c) At the rookie draft: OK Nye was a dud with a bad attitude but Hinge has the chance to be a 50+ game, honest defender, pretty good for pick 120 in the draft and HE DISCOVERED AND HID AWAY JONATHAN GRIFFIN
and we are started to see this boy may have been the gem of the draft


SO....Is any one still moaning about Danyle Pearce

I say be greatful for what we have instead of bitching about the one that got away




... But thats just my opinion

 

[Crow-mo]

Pretty sure he was our first - pick 16.

my bad.

 

[macca23]

Pretty sure he was our first - pick 16.

He was.

I remember that clearly because I was shattered that we hadn't drafted him - I had him down for our 2nd pick in that draft - but thought we would have been a certainty to take him with our first rookie pick, as we desperately needed that quick little crumbing type forward.

We took Nye instead, who turned out just to be one of those vanilla run-of-the-mill types that there are plenty of, but nobody wants.

Port took him with their first rookie pick and got themselves a bargain.

Pearce was a good gamble IMO as he had a point of difference. The big bonusthough, as DT also pointed out, was a bit of correction to the eye-sight and voila - an almost instant star on the horizon.

 

[Crow-mo]

I feel Bock's best position is CHB, and that he is one of the best in the league at that possie.

Rutten is clearly the best FB in the league at present.

that's a mighty FB/CHB combo to have gotten from one rookie draft.

we can forgive ourselves over Pearce.

 

[relapse]

Everyone ignored him .. rookie listed

Actually he was training with us, but as others said we missed out on him and went for Ryan Nye with our first pick I actually thought it was Hinge that was our first pick, but looks like I was mistaken.

 

[Vader]

Actually he was training with us, but as others said we missed out on him and went for Ryan Nye with our first pick I actually thought it was Hinge that was our first pick, but looks like I was mistaken.

We took 3 rookies in that draft:
#5 Ryan Nye
#21 Jonathon Griffin
#35 John Hinge

The final rookie spot was occupied by Matthew Smith, who was retained on the rookie list. Poor fool us.

Still, 2 out of 3 ain't bad - even if we did miss out on Pearce.

 

[Crow-mo]

We took 3 rookies in that draft:
#5 Ryan Nye
#21 Jonathon Griffin
#35 John Hinge

The final rookie spot was occupied by Matthew Smith, who was retained on the rookie list. Poor fool us.

Still, 2 out of 3 ain't bad - even if we did miss out on Pearce.

if you check the odds, 2 out of 3 is blooming phenomenal.