2006 Super Draft: Pick 5 - T.Boak vs Pick 48 - D.McKay.....

[Campbell's Chunky]

One thing that must be said though, Travis Boak was a very left field pick at pick 5. Most of the mock drafts had Boak between picks 20-35, so I dont buy into the whole "Well Boak was drafted at 5 so must be better", Port may have drafted him at 5, but going by the mock drafts it didnt seem like he was on the radar of other clubs until the 2nd round.

That's kind of irrelevant though isnt it???

The general consensus may have been he was a 2nd rounder, but the team at pick 5 (the opinion that matters) selected him.

Where people are drafted becomes completely irrelevant as soon as the last person is called out, and we can probably already see that Taylor Walker and Aaron Kite will end up being better than a lot of people selected ahead of them.

 

[fightingdreamer88]

One thing that must be said though, Travis Boak was a very left field pick at pick 5. Most of the mock drafts had Boak between picks 20-35, so I dont buy into the whole "Well Boak was drafted at 5 so must be better", Port may have drafted him at 5, but going by the mock drafts it didnt seem like he was on the radar of other clubs until the 2nd round.

I would never buy into that bull**** anyway. It is ludicrous to insist that Boak will be better for that reason (though not ludicrous to suggest that he SHOULD be better for that reason).

It is a well and truly open race in terms of who becomes the better of the two but I'm pretty confident it will be a close race.

 

[*PAF]

One thing that must be said though, Travis Boak was a very left field pick at pick 5. Most of the mock drafts had Boak between picks 20-35, so I dont buy into the whole "Well Boak was drafted at 5 so must be better", Port may have drafted him at 5, but going by the mock drafts it didnt seem like he was on the radar of other clubs until the 2nd round.

Geelong have said/hinted/whatever that if Port had chosen Selwood, like they expected us to do, they would have gone for Boak. That means that he would have gone before pick 7 regardless of what the mock draft experts had said.

 

[cmndstab]

Briefly heard Tredrea on 5AA tonight, he said that Port were tossing up between Boak and Selwood but there was a question mark over Selwood's body being injury-prone. He said the club was confident that Boak would be a 10-year player and a very good one, whereas with the injuries Selwood had suffered they were worried he could break down.

 

[Mismatched]

That's kind of irrelevant though isnt it???

The general consensus may have been he was a 2nd rounder, but the team at pick 5 (the opinion that matters) selected him.

Where people are drafted becomes completely irrelevant as soon as the last person is called out, and we can probably already see that Taylor Walker and Aaron Kite will end up being better than a lot of people selected ahead of them.

Taylor's a completly different kettle of fish really, we "chose" him years ago and it was just a formality that he was chosen in the end.

However, when it comes to Tippet, I can't believe how lucky we were that he was still available when we got him. I questioned the decision at the time because he just looked to be another young ruckman and we, at the time had plenty of both old and young ruckman, but we can all see why now, as it appears he is so much more than just a ruckman. Jimmy Fantasia by the looks went out on a complete high.

 

[cmndstab]

Tippett was probably left as late as he was because he was so young in football terms, and considering how long ruckmen take to develop having no junior footy would've been considered a major negative. At the same time, he was considered by many to be the "second best ruckman" in the draft. Funnily enough, the Crows didn't recruit him as a ruckman. I can remember the Crows talking about feeling extremely fortunate that Tippett was still available at pick 32 or whatever he was. I guess they had reason to be happy!

 

[Geoffa32]

Tippett was probably left as late as he was because he was so young in football terms, and considering how long ruckmen take to develop having no junior footy would've been considered a major negative. At the same time, he was considered by many to be the "second best ruckman" in the draft. Funnily enough, the Crows didn't recruit him as a ruckman. I can remember the Crows talking about feeling extremely fortunate that Tippett was still available at pick 32 or whatever he was. I guess they had reason to be happy!

Luckily clubs werent looking for "Ruckman" in that draft...

 

[Macca19]

One thing that must be said though, Travis Boak was a very left field pick at pick 5. Most of the mock drafts had Boak between picks 20-35, so I dont buy into the whole "Well Boak was drafted at 5 so must be better", Port may have drafted him at 5, but going by the mock drafts it didnt seem like he was on the radar of other clubs until the 2nd round.

Actually most picked that he would go to Geelong at 7.

 

[Coopers]

It's too early to call.

Both look the goods early.

McKay might end up a better player, it's up to him though, who knows how far he can take his development.

 

[dplggr47]

Actually most picked that he would go to Geelong at 7.

well good thing that happened. though, it wouldn't be surprising that another Selwood would end up in another non-victorian state, i'd still prefer Selwood at Geelong than at Port.

 

[Mong]

Travis Boak was a very left field pick at pick 5. Most of the mock drafts had Boak between picks 20-35

I've never understood why, when presented with the opinion of a few bigfooty posters and the opinion of an AFL team, so many people choose to assume the bigfooty posters are more likely to be correct.

AFL teams put countless resources and time into scouting young players. They know the talent pool better than anyone.

 

[Crow-mo]

One thing that must be said though, Travis Boak was a very left field pick at pick 5. Most of the mock drafts had Boak between picks 20-35, so I dont buy into the whole "Well Boak was drafted at 5 so must be better", Port may have drafted him at 5, but going by the mock drafts it didnt seem like he was on the radar of other clubs until the 2nd round.

WTF?

being out of line with the mock drafts doesn't make you a left field selection!!

why would you base an argument, countering the judgements of experts, by referencing the opinions of uninformed people?

though I seem to remember Burgan's having boak at no.7 - at least he has proper access to good information.

 

[Crow-mo]

I've never understood why, when presented with the opinion of a few bigfooty posters and the opinion of an AFL team, so many people choose to assume the bigfooty posters are more likely to be correct.

AFL teams put countless resources and time into scouting young players. They know the talent pool better than anyone.

staggering isn't it.

 

[Kennyrocks]

Boak oozes class. Don't get me wrong, Mackay does too, but not so much as Boak.


Chad Cornes came out a week or so ago and claimed Boak will win a Brownlow during his career. Of course your teammates always stick up for you but I can't ever remember as brazen a call from any player before. That's a huge wrap.

In case you hadn't noticed, Chad Cornes is full of s***. In fact, this could be said about port in general really, I remember the same call made by Choco about Shaun Burgoyne last year, sure he's a good player but a Brownlow is a big call. You need to have an outstanding season, be eye-catching (and preferably Blonde ) and play in a winning team without too many around you pinching votes. Then you're in the running for possibly a top 5 finish and to win you need a slice of luck.

Anyway, while Mackay will no doub be an excellent player for us, Boak appears to warrant the number 5 selection, sure there are players taken later than him who have shown more so far but thats the way it always goes. Mackay seems to have been a very good pickup at 48.

 

[Kennyrocks]

I've never understood why, when presented with the opinion of a few bigfooty posters and the opinion of an AFL team, so many people choose to assume the bigfooty posters are more likely to be correct.

AFL teams put countless resources and time into scouting young players. They know the talent pool better than anyone.

Exactly right, even if you keep a very close eye on the junior comps and your ear close to the ground you can't have anything beter than a rough idea.

Drafting is key to success and AFL clubs put big resources into making sure they get it right. Individuals simply don't have enough information and can be easily swayed by other factors where a professional would be less inclined to be, e.g. if someone plays for Norwood...

 

[Crow-mo]

I love the look of Boak. period.

but I loved the look of Travis Johnstone, and luke power. But you'd still take simon black every day of the week.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

Power 2006 may rival Geelong 2001 for out and out talent. We've got so many talented guys in that draft its not funny. I hope we can keep them all. Woiuldn't mind Tippett though.

 

[Kennyrocks]

Power 2006 may rival Geelong 2001 for out and out talent. We've got so many talented guys in that draft its not funny. I hope we can keep them all. Woiuldn't mind Tippett though.

You've been listening to too much of your own hype mate.

 

[Macca19]

, I remember the same call made by Choco about Shaun Burgoyne last year, sure he's a good player but a Brownlow is a big call.

And he ended up with 16 votes and finished 11th in the Brownlow count, after finishing 6th in the Brownlow the year before. Not that crazy a call.

 

[Kennyrocks]

And he ended up with 16 votes and finished 11th in the Brownlow count, after finishing 6th in the Brownlow the year before. Not that crazy a call.

Both years he was a long way off winning it, 16 votes is a good effort, but we're talking about winning the thing. Goodes had 26 votes in 2006, and Bartel 29 last year, its a big gap. Scott Thompson had 18 votes in the last year and finished 9th but I don't hear Craig wasting time saying he's going to win a Brownlow.

Regardless, the point I'm trying to make is that its ridiculous for a coach/team-mate to say one of his players will win the Brownlow, look at Ablett's year last year and he didn't get close on Brownlow night!
It's a ludicrous call, especially on a player at the beginning of their career like Boak, you just don't know whats going to happen... and lets be honest, this type of thing is typical Mark Williams.

 

[kamikaze krow]

^^^Basically junior Burgoyne has been fairly disappointing which was your point. Port have always overrated their players publicly for some reason, we've always done the opposite. Think about it Ackland was a star, white was the next tredrea, salopek was a tough inside midfielder with pace etc.

Tippett was probably left as late as he was because he was so young in football terms, and considering how long ruckmen take to develop having no junior footy would've been considered a major negative. At the same time, he was considered by many to be the "second best ruckman" in the draft. Funnily enough, the Crows didn't recruit him as a ruckman. I can remember the Crows talking about feeling extremely fortunate that Tippett was still available at pick 32 or whatever he was. I guess they had reason to be happy!

Tippett was overage as well and well developed they let the queenslanders play overage. Apparently he played like A.Lynch using his big body. You might have question marks about whether he could translate it to AFL footy playing that way. Otherwise for that type of player you're a automatic top5 pick

 

[Macca19]

Both years he was a long way off winning it, 16 votes is a good effort, but we're talking about winning the thing. Goodes had 26 votes in 2006, and Bartel 29 last year, its a big gap. Scott Thompson had 18 votes in the last year and finished 9th but I don't hear Craig wasting time saying he's going to win a Brownlow.

I dont even remember hearing about Williams saying that anyway. Shaun said he wanted to win a Brownlow. I cant remember Mark ever saying it.

 

[Geoffa32]

S Burger needs to learn one thing to win the Brownlow...Consistancy. His good is very good, elite I would say. His bad is average. There is no real middle line.

Brownlow winners are consistant.

 

[*PAF]

S Burger needs to learn one thing to win the Brownlow...Consistancy. His good is very good, elite I would say. His bad is average. There is no real middle line.

Brownlow winners are consistant.

Pretty well as most of us see it. Potential is there but consistency for whatever reason has not been anywhere near good enough to go close to a Brownlow.

 

[Geoffa32]

Pretty well as most of us see it. Potential is there but consistency for whatever reason has not been anywhere near good enough to go close to a Brownlow.

Lazy??