Draft Review 2008 - Re-do the 2008 draft

[Bailey01]

On potential Hartlett can come over the top. He has a better skill set. Without that clause Sloane is in front. It is a big reason why Hill is so high on that list.

I understand that but Hartlett has been injured half his career and can't handle a tagger. Thats hardly top 5 worthy in a super draft, every player drafted high in a draft has a lot of potential.

 

[timtamWB]

I understand that but Hartlett has been injured half his career and can't handle a tagger. Thats hardly top 5 worthy in a super draft, every player drafted high in a draft has a lot of potential.

Surely the two can't be related! If he hadn't had those injuries, then perhaps he could have learnt how to deal with a tagger? The fact that he demands the tag over Boak, Wingard et. al shows his worth.

Sloane is an absolute gun, nobody is questioning that. But Hartlett has the potential to be a fair bit better, not doubting Sloane at all, just if Hartlett can put it all together he can be scary good. The poster did say that not based purely on output, but still taking into account potential as these guys are still only 23/24 years old.

FWIW I'd bump Sloane up to 7 at least.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

1. Jack Watts
2. Who cares

 

[the distributer]

Can we stop making every comparison about stats. It really debases anyone with the ability to actually analyze a game. It's the supercoach generation.

Both of them had average years for different reasons. Zaha had a fantastic year in 11' but since then hasn't been able to stay fit enough to show it wasn't a one off, Sidebottom has struggled after early success because he hasn't been able to cope with added attention and only really got going late when he started playing off half back.

Pissing contest aside, they are pretty even in their individual successes and this argument is going to be circular because of the closeness.

**** stats, I hate Zaha!!

I only hate good opposition players though, he certainly has some tools.

 

[Wild Bill]

I understand that but Hartlett has been injured half his career and can't handle a tagger. Thats hardly top 5 worthy in a super draft, every player drafted high in a draft has a lot of potential.

Hill also can't handle a tag. If they do - look out. Some players take time to work it out. Solane would have a couple in front of him for a tag - Harlett would only have Boak.

 

[liz]

IMO you can still throw a blanket over the ten or so pure midfielders that have made their way to the top of most peoples lists. They are still early enough in their careers to expect the final order, once they retire, to move around a lot. Some looked great early (eg Rich, Hill) and started to get a lot of opposition attention and are marked hard because their rate of development has slowed and/or they are still working out how to cope with the tag, even though they're still good players that any club would love to have. Some have developed steadily and are just now starting to cop more attention from the opposition. Some have been relatively blessed injury wise, others not.

It is certainly not preposterous to imagine that Harlett may become a more coveted player than Sloane, for example. Nor is it silly to imagine Sloane will have the better overall career. It's just too close to call yet, and we still have the best of these players to look forward to.

 

[Matt_BL]

It's good to see my list has created some discussion, I still think Hartlett is justified his boot is a weapon and he has that X Factor over a player like Sloane, who can get his 30 a game but Hartlett could have say 20-25 and have a real damaging influence, not to mention he's also good on the inside. Hill at 6 might be a bit high but see Qualifying Final v Geelong and his goal to seal the match. Could see alot more of that next year.

Also I think Sloane is fair at pick 9, I think the players above just have a little bit extra, he and Sidebottom are probably similar players. It is a very strong draft though so I'm looking forward to see what happens next year.

 

[The Bomb]

It's good to see my list has created some discussion, I still think Hartlett is justified his boot is a weapon and he has that X Factor over a player like Sloane, who can get his 30 a game but Hartlett could have say 20-25 and have a real damaging influence, not to mention he's also good on the inside. Hill at 6 might be a bit high but see Qualifying Final v Geelong and his goal to seal the match. Could see alot more of that next year.

Also I think Sloane is fair at pick 9, I think the players above just have a little bit extra, he and Sidebottom are probably similar players. It is a very strong draft though so I'm looking forward to see what happens next year.

I would take Hartlett ahead of Sloane.

 

[Shaneprice97]

Also I think Sloane is fair at pick 9, I think the players above just have a little bit extra, he and Sidebottom are probably similar players.

I agree, both solid contributors every week. Dont do the flashy stuff but are capable of doing it. Some would argue sloane is a better footballer than sidebottom, i wouldnt find it had to agree but they both have different things going there way.

 

[Theo X]

Hurley is nowhere near the 1st round if you go on what he's done so far.

 

[Bailey01]

I'll have a go at a list, I've included everyone from rookie and pre season drafts as well as the national draft. Also it's still not based purely on output, but still taking into account potential as these guys are still only 23/24 years old.

1. Dayne Beams
2. Nic Naitanui
3. Daniel Hanneberry
4. Tom Rockliff
5. Hamish Hartlett
6. Stephen Hill
7. Jack Ziebell
8. Steele Sidebottom
9. Rory Sloane
10. Daniel Rich
11. David Zaharakis
12. Phil Davis (dun goof'd going to GWS but still could be an AA FB or CHB)
13. Michael Hurley
14. Steven Motlop
15. Hayden Ballantyne

I would probably take Jack Redden at 16 but this draft seems to be an excellent draft, it really depends what you type of player you want if you were doing it retrospectively.

Also just noting Hawthorn also nailed this draft, got Breust, Shiels, Suckling, Schoenmakers and also until recently Savage for some pretty cheap picks + we got Lisle from this draft aswell.

Motlop far and away better player than Hurley

 

[HighettBomber]

Hurley is nowhere near the 1st round if you go on what he's done so far.

I'm really looking forward to Hurley having a run of good luck with injuries so Hurley's stats start to match his impact on games. There is a reason he always gets the best defender, he's a bloody good player. To claim he's not with a first round pick is so stupid I can't think of anything else to write about your opinion, intelligence or common sense that won't get me banned by a mod

 

[santa claws]

hmm for me based on output and consistency in the games they have played. some have had injuries and it has effected performance.
mids only as its too hard to to lump talls in an overall view seeing as how long it can take a tall to develop.

rockliffe - boy is this bloke underrated it must be the tyranny of distance.
beams - only played 8 games last yr but bloody hell in those 8 games he continued to knock up getting the ball. he is at an elite level.
not much difference between the next 7 you could place em in any order.

ziebel - love this type of player. hes hard at it. he a beaut size he has good skills and he gets the ball just as much as anyone. yes hes the odd man out in this list as far as consistent performance goes. but hes continually improving.
sidebottom-
redden -
hanneberry -
sloane -
hannaberry
shuey
hartlett

i think as far as output goes these last two are a little off the pace to but it probably will change.
rich
hill.

of all those named ziebel would be my choice of player.
fantastic big bodied player who continues to improve as his motor grows . tough as nails hard with good skills.

 

[timtamWB]

rockliffe - boy is this bloke underrated it must be the tyranny of distance.
beams - only played 8 games last yr but bloody hell in those 8 games he continued to knock up getting the ball. he is at an elite level.
not much difference between the next 7 you could place em in any order.

ziebel - love this type of player. hes hard at it. he a beaut size he has good skills and he gets the ball just as much as anyone. yes hes the odd man out in this list as far as consistent performance goes. but hes continually improving.
sidebottom-
redden -
hanneberry -
sloane -
hannaberry
shuey
hartlett

I'd personally have Hannaberry above Hanneberry



But really Rockliff at number 1? I know he's underrated, but ahead of Beams? And you have Sidebottom ahead of Hannebery and Shuey?

 

[Bailey01]

I'd personally have Hannaberry above Hanneberry


But really Rockliff at number 1? I know he's underrated, but ahead of Beams? And you have Sidebottom ahead of Hannebery and Shuey?

And Redden is a little bit too high on that list.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

I'm really looking forward to Hurley having a run of good luck with injuries so Hurley's stats start to match his impact on games. There is a reason he always gets the best defender, he's a bloody good player. To claim he's not with a first round pick is so stupid I can't think of anything else to write about your opinion, intelligence or common sense that won't get me banned by a mod

Lol.

 

[Wild Bill]

I'm really looking forward to Hurley having a run of good luck with injuries so Hurley's stats start to match his impact on games. There is a reason he always gets the best defender, he's a bloody good player. To claim he's not with a first round pick is so stupid I can't think of anything else to write about your opinion, intelligence or common sense that won't get me banned by a mod

He has failed as a forward and has to go back. He gets the best defender as your forward line is average. Daniher is a kid, Crameri (your best forward) is (was) a medium forward, Gumby terrible. No claim to fame getting the best defender out of this lot. If he is bloody good then you are bloody easily satisfied.

 

[HighettBomber]

He has failed as a forward and has to go back. He gets the best defender as your forward line is average. Daniher is a kid, Crameri (your best forward) is (was) a medium forward, Gumby terrible. No claim to fame getting the best defender out of this lot. If he is bloody good then you are bloody easily satisfied.

The value of your opinion is best summed up by your rating of Ziebell as the second best player from this draft.

 

[Wild Bill]

The value of your opinion is best summed up by your rating of Ziebell as the second best player from this draft.

No I didn't stop making rubbish up.

If you did not like my post I would advise you to stay away from the over rated players thread.

 

[HighettBomber]

No I didn't stop making rubbish up.

If you did not like my post I would advise you to stay away from the over rated players thread.

Yes you did. Why would I care about the opinion of a moron?

 

[HighettBomber]

No I didn't stop making rubbish up.

Here's the post, you are not only stupid, biased and obsessed with jealousy of Essendon, you are also a liar!

1. Nic Nat
2. Ziebell
3. Hartlett
4. Rich
5. Davis
6. Hill
7. hurley
8. Yarran
9. Vickory
10. Watts

 

[Bailey01]

Here's the post, you are not only stupid, biased and obsessed with jealousy of Essendon, you are also a liar!

That's of the top 10 obviously, Watts is in there..............

 

[Heaps of fun]

Sucked in, HighettBomber.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

Here's the post, you are not only stupid, biased and obsessed with jealousy of Essendon, you are also a liar!

Are you twelve years old?

 

[The Bomb]

The value of your opinion is best summed up by your rating of Ziebell as the second best player from this draft.

No I didn't stop making rubbish up.

If you did not like my post I would advise you to stay away from the over rated players thread.

No Wild Bill didn't say Ziebell will be top 2 from this draft he said in the thread Players of the next decade

Ziebell - maybe bias but has been super early and is my pick for the best mid.

As for a premier foward Lance is my tip - will kick the most goals in the next 10 years.

So Ziebell is his pick for the best midfielder in the whole AFL.