Draft Review 2008 - Re-do the 2008 draft

[ike2112]

Yarran is playing well and perhaps starting to get more consistency (will see over next few weeks).

But when people suggest he's somehow more elite than anyone in the league, unique in having speed and skill, it kind of damages the legitimacy of any other lucid opinions they might have!
Yarran is a potential match-winner, fast and skillful, who at the moment doesn't turn it on enough. If he does it for 20 games he's not only going to be ranked high on the 'redo draft' but he'd even be a Brownlow chance.

 

[Heaps of fun]

Yarran last night shoudl show you all why I rated him so highly.

There is not another player int he league with his mixture of TOUCH & SPEED & DISPOSAL - absolutely brilliant

Rioli, S. Hill and Wells all go alright, the last two can actually win the ball and post acceptable midfield numbers.

 

[Bailey01]

Yarran last night shoudl show you all why I rated him so highly.

There is not another player int he league with his mixture of TOUCH & SPEED & DISPOSAL - absolutely brilliant

OOOOO he played a good game against St Kilda, obviously not the first player to do so.

 

[Patron]

Yarran last night shoudl show you all why I rated him so highly.

There is not another player int he league with his mixture of TOUCH & SPEED & DISPOSAL - absolutely brilliant

Cyril Rioli

 

[DivideandMultiply]

lol

Why lol? Harley Bennell is superior to Yarran in probably every aspect of the game.

 

[Daz]

Yarran last night shoudl show you all why I rated him so highly.

There is not another player int he league with his mixture of TOUCH & SPEED & DISPOSAL - absolutely brilliant

Ablett, Bennell, Wells, Harvey, Hanley, S.Hill, L.Jetta, Polec, Deledio, Rioli, Burgoyne, Hampton, Hoskin-Elliott

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Ablett (no where near the speed), Bennell (yep), Wells(by this staage he's a poor man's yarran), Harvey(lol), Hanley(not even similar), S.Hill(close, think Yarran has better disposal and speed), L.Jetta (similar, don't think he is as good at the first touch as Yarran), Polec (not similar players), Deledio (no), Rioli(probably a tick like bennell), Burgoyne (hasn't got the speed or the touch, as Burgoyne has aged he's become a more traditional midfielder), Hampton(good player but not at Yarrans level), Hoskin-Elliott (don't see much of him)

All these players obviously have good disposal, good speed and good touch, but the one's i've highlighted aren't as good as Yarran in that particular area.

They are all amazing players though, and i'm not saying Yarran is better than them, certainly not Ablett haha, just that Yarran is a very unique player.

In terms of his type of player, i think he's in the top echelon with Bennel, Rioli and Himself, with Hill, Jetta very close. I'm trying to think of some non indigenous players who play like him, and there are some, Armfield for example has the same lightning speed at Carlton, but doesn't have anywhere near the touch or disposal. I can't think of any other players who play like that. Judd in his youth would be one, had one touch football, brilliant disposal and an amazing burst of speed. Judd was even better because he had strength through the hips as well.

 

[Ambrosia]

Yarran now has better disposal than Stephen Hill. I must be watching a very different Yarran to you

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Why lol? Harley Bennell is superior to Yarran in probably every aspect of the game.

As i said above i thought you were talking about Jamie, Bennell is very good, on par with Yarran

 

[Daz]

How is Hampton not at Yarran's level? They're extremely similar. Hampton also happens to be the worst of the players I listed. Some of your appraisals of those players are embarrassingly inaccurate.

 

[liz]

Yarran clearly has the tools to become a very good AFL player, but he needs to do it for more than a few weeks before he can be put in the top bracket of anything.

 

[Patron]

Yarran now has better disposal than Stephen Hill. I must be watching a very different Yarran to you

I would actually agree with that, I think Hill would get him on pace/agility.

 

[timtamWB]

All these players obviously have good disposal, good speed and good touch, but the one's i've highlighted aren't as good as Yarran in that particular area.

They are all amazing players though, and i'm not saying Yarran is better than them, certainly not Ablett haha, just that Yarran is a very unique player.

In terms of his type of player, i think he's in the top echelon with Bennel, Rioli and Himself, with Hill, Jetta very close. I'm trying to think of some non indigenous players who play like him, and there are some, Armfield for example has the same lightning speed at Carlton, but doesn't have anywhere near the touch or disposal. I can't think of any other players who play like that. Judd in his youth would be one, had one touch football, brilliant disposal and an amazing burst of speed. Judd was even better because he had strength through the hips as well.

You got to Wells who was a poor man's Yarran, and I was questioning it, and then you got to Harvey and you said lol and you lost me completely.

Yarran is a good player, but you are grossly overrating him and his attributes while grossly underrating others. Please stop.

 

[Theo X]

As i said above i thought you were talking about Jamie, Bennell is very good, on par with Yarran

On par? He's streets ahead, and years younger.

 

[ike2112]

It's the emperor has no clothes on thing with Hawthorn. Everyone's a champion in the champion team. Seeing what one of them wrote about Paul Puopolo in the most underrated in the league thread on the MB you would have thought he was Simon Black rather than a handy role player.

I probably am overrating Schoenmakers based on potential rather than actual tangible output (though I'd never have considered him a Fullback - if you wanted to pick a real starting 18 from this draft then at FB I would go Roughead).

I don’t think it is so much that players on a team like the Hawks get overrated, because I think a lot of opinions about those players can be backed up by stats and performances. It’s more that by playing in a side that has quality players dotted all through It, it’s easier to excel as a role player.
If I’m playing in a team with Vickery as my target I know I’ve got to kick it on his head and even then it’s 60/40. If I’m playing in a team with Buddy, I know if I just boot it in that direction if he’s on a good day, he’ll do the rest and make me look good.
I often use Brad Hill as an example too – he’s become an excellent player and was outstanding in the GF last year; think he assisted 3 of Gunston’s goals. But he wouldn’t have developed as he had, and wouldn’t be afforded the time and space he gets in the Hawks lineup, were it not for the other players in that team. Everyone is aware of Mitchell and Burgoyne racking up possessions, want to get pressure on Suckling, scared of Rioli, often don’t know how to stop Gunston and Breust popping up, they’ve Hale and Roughhead to contend with… Hill runs around in loads of space and often has options to hit. If he was playing for St Kilda he’d be struggling; chasing shadows and just kicking long to Riewoldt like everyone else.

I think with some players though it sometimes works the opposite way – I don’t think Jordan Lewis gets the credit he deserves. This year is a down year for him yet he’s still contributing well. Does a lot of work people miss; he’s by far the league leader last 2 years on 3rd-man up for example, and when your club struggles with the initial tap (Hawthorn are one of the worst, and recruiting McEvoy wasn’t going to help) that’s an important thing. If there’s a boundary throw on the edge of the Hawks 50, despite all the big men Jordan Lewis is as likely as anyone to knock the ball clear. That’s a key thing, that’s buried in the stats.

 

[AlibiMonday]

Hannebery and Beams are easily the two best big game players to date.

Hard to argue that the don't sit top 2 over everyone else from this draft.

...add Sidebottom to that list.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Yarran is on par with Harley Bennell?

Hhahhahahahaha. Get off the crack

 

[gandaal]

Strange draft.
A very good draft that produced plenty of AFL standard players, more than most, but doesn't have the elite stars many drafts do. The best of the draft is still open for debate as the form of the best players is so inconsistent. Is nic Nat still the best? Is it now pick 30 Hannebury? Who knows?

 

[Big Fresh]

Beams has established himself as the clear number in my opinion. The only undoubtedly elite player so far. Two years ago I might've said Naitanui as well, but injuries could really set him back. I can see Hartlett, Hill, and maybe Rich approaching elite status in time.

 

[Shaneprice97]

Beams has established himself as the clear number in my opinion. The only undoubtedly elite player so far. Two years ago I might've said Naitanui as well, but injuries could really set him back. I can see Hartlett, Hill, and maybe Rich approaching elite status in time.

I rate Rich highly and I love the way he plays his footy, but I have always thought he would be better suited to a team that already has the inside ball winners like Collingwood, Sydney and Freo rotating through Half Back, Wing and Half Forward, I believe that's how he would take his game to the next level, the less important he is to the team to begin with the easier it would allow him to take his game to the next level.

 

[TheWhiteRhino]

Beams has established himself as the clear number in my opinion. The only undoubtedly elite player so far. Two years ago I might've said Naitanui as well, but injuries could really set him back. I can see Hartlett, Hill, and maybe Rich approaching elite status in time.

Hannebery is elite.

 

[Sidebottom2Beams]

Hannebery is elite.

At crashing cars not at football

 

[TheWhiteRhino]

At crashing cars not at football

That's hilarious.

Did you use up all your creative genius on your username?

There's no doubt Hanners is elite.

I still think Beams is probably ahead of him at this point, but both still fall in that elite category.

 

[Sidebottom2Beams]

Which of his 12, 15 or 18 possession games he has had this year make him elite?

 

[carnthedons]

That's hilarious.

Did you use up all your creative genius on your username?

There's no doubt Hanners is elite.

I still think Beams is probably ahead of him at this point, but both still fall in that elite category.

Firstly, Hanners is one of my favourite non-Essendon players and he'd look much better in red n black.

However, as there is no consistent definition of 'elite' and it could range between including just 1 player or everyone if you listen to Luke Darcy, it's possible that you're both right.

To my mind elite is the top 1%, ie roughly 8 players and I wouldn't have him in that. Beams would be close.