2012 Draft Discussion

[POBT]

Based on limited vision, Toumpas would be my choice. I am a sucker for guys who play senior footy at an early age and Toumpas played SANFL finals last year, including a flag. The footage I've seen of him shows a beautifully balanced runner who gets plenty of the footy, uses it well and has a bit of toe. Not sure if we'll get the chance at him but he'd be top of the tree for me.

 

[dlanod]

dlanod - we could run into that type of situation next year with Gray. He is a big ruckman but with Leuey and Longer ruck will not be a big need for us. With that said he will probably only cost us a lower round pick so he could be brought onboard as cheap insurance at the worst and a valuable trade piece as he develops.

Using a lower round pick to take someone with potential but surplus to needs isn't too bad, but that'd be the case I'm interested in if he shoots up the rankings next year (or a team desperate for ruckmen bids for him).

 

[Offsider]

Toumpas is a gun in my book, he has everything you would want in a young midfielder, pace, great skills and excellent run. I think the fact that he is doing very well for SA in the U18 and playing senior SANFL to a high level may see him get picked before us, but I think we will have Pick 6 most likely.

1. Gold Coast
2. GWS
3. Melbourne
4. Melbourne
5. Port Adelaide
6. Brisbane

This is how I see the ladder being at the end of the season, although I think we are a chance to jump ahead of North and the Doggies but it will be close. I would love to see us win 4-6 more games for the rest of the year as I think it would put us in a great position for next year and finals.

I think we lack a couple of things, pace and skills through the midfield, and a key position forward prospect who is a genuine no 1 prospect. I really rate Jesse Hogan highly, he is the best CHF prospect available IMO. The other Key Position prospects like Shaw are not worth Pick 6 IMO. I think Stringer is an interesting one who is still struggling to come back from a broken leg and is not fully fit. I see as more of a midfielder who goes forward, yet can be a genuine goal kicker. I think he might be available at our first round pick and he would be a risk who could pay off.

Another prospect I really rate would be Ben Kennedy, he maybe short but is a genuine goal kicking midfielder who has real pace and a nice left foot kick on him. I actually do not rate Sam Mayes as a top 10 prospect and I think that he is slightly overrated in comparison to other prospects who are better rounded than him.

 

[Quigley]

Toumpas had a quiet one on the weekend apparently with very little TOG. The big games start for SA next round which is when he will be expected to step up. SA guys are often overlooked a little compared to Vic and WA guys and if he is a bit quiet at the champs there is some chance he might fall to 5 or 6 especially if Melb have to use a pick on Viney.

I am happy to let Stringer pass through to the keeper. Risk is too high.

As I have mentioned before I would trade our first pick for Hogan in the minidraft. He would help balance our team up nicely going forward. I was hoping Shaw would look like a worthwhile prospect but he has not stood up yet.

Mayes is a guy who is an excellent forward and we haven't seen him much up the field. He is playing on the wing though at these Champs and so watch out for him on TV in the final two rounds. He has major hurt factor and would bring some serious class to our side I think. He needs to work a bit on his engine and ball winning but I think that will come with more time in the middle of the ground. He might not have the midfield points on the board that some of the others do but the potential is sky high with him.

Kennedy if he was 10cm taller would be talked about as a top 3 prospect. He is a good all around midfield prospect who also works very nicely up forward as a crumber. He is good inside and out and has some really good pace. His serious lack of height and lack of penetration on his kicking are the things which make him a reach at 6.

Menzel is one guy who may come into consideration. He is a medium forward who has torn apart the opposition so far with 14 goals in 2 games from memory. There are a lot of the Steve Johnsons about him and he has that kind of special skill around goal. He is coming from a way back but he is definately one to keep in mind.

Wines might be a riser too based on what I saw of him on the weekend. Solid kid who is a good ball winner and a hard worker on the outside. Picked up 35 possessions against Qld. May lack a little class compared to the top few.

 

[whatboutbob]

Quigs, just checking you know the SA/NT game's online? Mayes wasn't particularly impressive, but he's a smooth mover.

Menzel is an obvious talent, but the 2yo LARS knee reco makes me very nervous in picking him. His bro's 2 bung knees don't help.

 

[Quigley]

Also worth noting that I have been really impressed with the KPDers so far. Unlike last year when they were as scarce as hen's teeth I have liked the look of this group and there is depth as well as quality. There are probably 5 or 6 who I would have taken ahead of any of last year's group. If we went that way in the second round we would have the choice of some really good prospects and some are even likely to be available in the third I would expect.

I am yet to see Luccon from SA play but he is a guy I had my eye on from last year. I was very impressed with Rodda last week and Howson is another WA who is highly regarded. Clurey from Vic Country has quietly had two very good games so far. Jaksch is impressive at both ends and McBean despite being underdeveloped was really good at CHB against Tassie. McBean is a ruck sized guy who could develop like Keefe. Plowman and Corr are another two Metro guys who are well regarded and thought of as being potential first round picks. Thurlow from Tassie is a bit on the short side at 189 but he moves excellently and looks very much like a footballer. He managed 45 disposals against Metro on the weekend. To tell the truth I also didn't mind the look of Ryan Johnson from Qld against Vic Country.

So a lot of options there and I think we have to take advantage of the plethora of choices in this area this year.

 

[Quigley]

Quigs, just checking you know the SA/NT game's online? Mayes wasn't particularly impressive, but he's a smooth mover.

Menzel is an obvious talent, but the 2yo LARS knee reco makes me very nervous in picking him. His bro's 2 bung knees don't help.

Cheers bob I was aware but after flying down to Melb for the Sunday games I have yet to be able to put aside time to have a look. Swmbo might have looked dimmly on that yesterday.

The knees are the obvious issue with Menzel and I was not aware that he had had 2 LARS already. I knew there had been an issue and the family history. That makes things hard for him.

 

[Slax]

On current form and the fact we have to play them over there I think we might get pick 5.

On the downside if we finish above them and Boak goes to Geelong we could well end up with pick 7. It is highly likely that Geelong would have to give up their mid-R1 compo pick they got for Ablett to get him.

 

[Offsider]

Menzel is obviously a bit of a risk with his LARS surgery but he looks to be a super medium forward prospect and a genuine match winner. I think Pick 6 maybe slightly too much of a risk on him but if we had a pick about 10 then I would strongly consider picking him. Wines has always been quite high on my list and I am a fan of his contested ball work as well as of his disposal skills and efficiency something we lack a bit at the Lions, but again Pick 6 maybe too soon, although I could be wrong.

Dayle Gartlett has as much talent as anyone in the draft and if he performs well at draft camp in interviews I would not hesitate to pick him up. He is up there with Harley Bennell on talent IMO, maybe slightly less though as he doesn't hit the scoreboard in the same way. He can play inside and outside and has no problem winning the hardball, and has a good work-rate but its his off the field problems holding him back.

I think that with our compensation pick at the end of the first round, probably around Pick 23 I think that there is some talented prospects available there or at our second round pick, about 28 at this stage.

I really rate Adam Carter from WA, I can see him going higher but he is a very good inside mid who can damage on the outside with his neat kicking ability. I like the way that he manages to be assigned a role and performs it well no matter, he is a capable small defender as well as able to negate a player through the middle.

I also like some of the Key Position prospects available at the end of the first round, guys like Paparone from WA and Tim O'Brien from SA are classy prospects who have a fair bit of upside and could hold down a Key position. Tanner Smith is one of the better pure defender prospects in the draft and there are some decent defensive prospects in SA and WA as well.

 

[whatboutbob]

Cheers bob I was aware but after flying down to Melb for the Sunday games I have yet to be able to put aside time to have a look. Swmbo might have looked dimmly on that yesterday.

Hehe...fair enough.

The knees are the obvious issue with Menzel and I was not aware that he had had 2 LARS already. I knew there had been an issue and the family history. That makes things hard for him.

Troy's had just the one LARS op (2 years ago, when it was a fad), which is disconcerting enough...but the two for his bro Daniel pushes him into the no-go zone for me. Given our situation IMO we simply can't afford to go high risk/reward with our first pick when there should be safe/good fit options available.

 

[Quigley]

On current form and the fact we have to play them over there I think we might get pick 5.

On the downside if we finish above them and Boak goes to Geelong we could well end up with pick 7. It is highly likely that Geelong would have to give up their mid-R1 compo pick they got for Ablett to get him.

That pick would be based on Geelong's finish and not Port's and would have to have been activated at the beginning of the year for it to apply this year. From memory Geelong did not activate their pick.

 

[Quigley]

Menzel is obviously a bit of a risk with his LARS surgery but he looks to be a super medium forward prospect and a genuine match winner. I think Pick 6 maybe slightly too much of a risk on him but if we had a pick about 10 then I would strongly consider picking him. Wines has always been quite high on my list and I am a fan of his contested ball work as well as of his disposal skills and efficiency something we lack a bit at the Lions, but again Pick 6 maybe too soon, although I could be wrong.

Dayle Gartlett has as much talent as anyone in the draft and if he performs well at draft camp in interviews I would not hesitate to pick him up. He is up there with Harley Bennell on talent IMO, maybe slightly less though as he doesn't hit the scoreboard in the same way. He can play inside and outside and has no problem winning the hardball, and has a good work-rate but its his off the field problems holding him back.

I think that with our compensation pick at the end of the first round, probably around Pick 23 I think that there is some talented prospects available there or at our second round pick, about 28 at this stage.

I really rate Adam Carter from WA, I can see him going higher but he is a very good inside mid who can damage on the outside with his neat kicking ability. I like the way that he manages to be assigned a role and performs it well no matter, he is a capable small defender as well as able to negate a player through the middle.

I also like some of the Key Position prospects available at the end of the first round, guys like Paparone from WA and Tim O'Brien from SA are classy prospects who have a fair bit of upside and could hold down a Key position. Tanner Smith is one of the better pure defender prospects in the draft and there are some decent defensive prospects in SA and WA as well.

Yeah definately worth mentioning Garlett. Looked very classy when I saw him last week. I think he will be heading up draft boards very quickly.

Tanner Smith didn't impress me on the weekend. Looking forward to seeing Paparone in the televised games.

 

[Ruse]

If for some reason Grundy is available at our 1st pick should we draft him? Could be a super talent like NicNat and ruckmen don't devalue that much in the trade table so we can still get really good value if we decide to trade longer like we did with cam wood.

 

[jjami15]

If we got Mayes or Toumpas I would be stoked. I had Toumpas rated at 2 coming into the year based on how he finished last year. Mayes has a bit more class but I had seen less of him in the midfield. Both should be top players imho.

Do you see him developing into a inside mid or outside mid and I know it's heresay but who does he resemble for you in terms of players current or past?

 

[dlanod]

That pick would be based on Geelong's finish and not Port's and would have to have been activated at the beginning of the year for it to apply this year. From memory Geelong did not activate their pick.

I think (could definitely be wrong) that if a compo pick changes hands in trade week, the new club can then choose to activate it and use it in that draft. I don't think we've seen an example of it though. But as you say, the pick would still be based on Geelong's finishing position.

 

[PattyKwasagun]

When are the televised games, and what channel? Would love to have a look at some of these guys.

 

[POBT]

When are the televised games, and what channel? Would love to have a look at some of these guys.

I know the last two games of Div 1 are to be televised on FoxFooty. First week in July some time, I believe.

 

[Quigley]

It was reported some time ago that Fox would be televising the 29 June and 4 June games (ie there are two Div 1 games on both days). It would be channel 504.

Grundy could be a very nice player but would be entirely surplus to needs and he will not be so much better than other talent available that he demands selection. I don't see him as being better than Longer on the field and as far as leadership and other intangibles he would trail by a fair bit. I have heard several unflattering things said about his mental capacities.

On a comparison for Toumpas I think maybe Dayne Beams would be a good comparison. Similar ability outside and in and similar athletically I think. Maybe a bit faster than Beams but Beams is rarely caught so there is definately pace there. Offsider what do you think on this one?

 

[Offsider]

It was reported some time ago that Fox would be televising the 29 June and 4 June games (ie there are two Div 1 games on both days). It would be channel 504.

Grundy could be a very nice player but would be entirely surplus to needs and he will not be so much better than other talent available that he demands selection. I don't see him as being better than Longer on the field and as far as leadership and other intangibles he would trail by a fair bit. I have heard several unflattering things said about his mental capacities.

On a comparison for Toumpas I think maybe Dayne Beams would be a good comparison. Similar ability outside and in and similar athletically I think. Maybe a bit faster than Beams but Beams is rarely caught so there is definately pace there. Offsider what do you think on this one?

Grundy IMO is a bit better prospect than Longer, I think his work round the ground is a touch better and he may just have the higher upside, I think Grundy as far as style goes is quite similar to Leuy. I would not take Grundy as he is surplus to our needs and there is no point picking up a ruckmen when you have two prospects with elite potential IMO.

Toumpas is all class, one of my favourites and he has the potential to be very very good. As far as comparisons go Dayne Beams is actually quite a good comparison, he can push forward and kick goals similarly, I think he has a bit more pace than Beams and is more of a smoother mover and more efficient ball user. I actually liken him to Marc Murphy from Carlton in that he is a genuine mid, more outside who can go forward kick goals but is very classy, has time, and is efficient and highly skilled.

 

[PattyKwasagun]

I know the last two games of Div 1 are to be televised on FoxFooty. First week in July some time, I believe.

Cheers, will definitely check it out.

 

[Triple R]

Toumpas is a gun in my book, he has everything you would want in a young midfielder, pace, great skills and excellent run. I think the fact that he is doing very well for SA in the U18 and playing senior SANFL to a high level may see him get picked before us, but I think we will have Pick 6 most likely.

1. Gold Coast
2. GWS
3. Melbourne
4. Melbourne
5. Port Adelaide
6. Brisbane

This is how I see the ladder being at the end of the season, although I think we are a chance to jump ahead of North and the Doggies but it will be close. I would love to see us win 4-6 more games for the rest of the year as I think it would put us in a great position for next year and finals.

I think we lack a couple of things, pace and skills through the midfield, and a key position forward prospect who is a genuine no 1 prospect. I really rate Jesse Hogan highly, he is the best CHF prospect available IMO. The other Key Position prospects like Shaw are not worth Pick 6 IMO. I think Stringer is an interesting one who is still struggling to come back from a broken leg and is not fully fit. I see as more of a midfielder who goes forward, yet can be a genuine goal kicker. I think he might be available at our first round pick and he would be a risk who could pay off.

Another prospect I really rate would be Ben Kennedy, he maybe short but is a genuine goal kicking midfielder who has real pace and a nice left foot kick on him. I actually do not rate Sam Mayes as a top 10 prospect and I think that he is slightly overrated in comparison to other prospects who are better rounded than him.

Would it be safe to assume that GC will not win more than 4 games this year? And if so with the priority selection it looks as though they will push us out to pick 6 - 10.

GC - Priority
GC
GWS
Melb
Melb
(Then a toss up between Port, Brisbane, Bulldogs and North)

 

[POBT]

The automatic priority selection is no longer, Triple R. It is discretionary now. Not sure that the AFL will utilise its discretion this year for the GC.

 

[Haso]

The automatic priority selection is no longer, Triple R. It is discretionary now. Not sure that the AFL will utilise its discretion this year for the GC.

Yeah. I would predict that they would wait for another year of desolation from GC before handing out another freebie. I'd say the common thought is that they will start improving next year.

 

[whatboutbob]

I assumed that the Suns were the catalyst for the priority pick system being changed. No way in hell they deserve to get one.

 

[Quigley]

The Suns traded away their first pick last year for O'Meara who can't play this year. They will most likely have the first pick this year in Whitfield. Those two will make a very big difference and there is no way the AFL should reward GC for deferring the improvement of their team.