2012 Draft Discussion

[cotter101]

Any chance of the Lions targetting a big KPF early in the draft? perhaps as a successor for Brown?

...or are there are other areas that need to be addressed before this?

I'd say we will pick one, Probably not someone who will be tall enough to ruck as well though. Don't you have your eye on McBean?

All depends on if we get Tippet.

 

[cotter101]

Patty how quickly we forget.

J Brown did pretty well as a kid amongst the vets.

Give an 18 year old 4 years and they will be coming into a decent age group whilst our mid group are still in their prime. Anyway there is no reason why the recruitment staff should not be planning for the next wave otherwise we will be in the same position again.

If any KPF warranted selection in the first round I would be keen for us to jump all over them. Unfortunately there doesn't appear to be much worthwhile at all. Some nice KPDers should be available in the second round but I am not sure I would reach for one as high as we will be picking.

How many J Browns have there been though?

 

[theteamtobeat]

I'd say we will pick one, Probably not someone who will be tall enough to ruck as well though. Don't you have your eye on McBean?

All depends on if we get Tippet.

The games that we won in the past month prove that the forward line is not the issue as we a ranked second in the league for scoring efficeny of 61.34%. The real issue is whether our midfield can supply the demand required to beat the top teams. For example, the game against the hawks proves that our midfield cannot meet the supply that the hawks were giving to their forwards. Hence my reason why we should really have a crack at getting Dayne Beams back to Queensland rather than focusing on Tippurt. Dayne Beams is a A grade player now and is in the perfect age bracket as our current midfield. If Beams signs a deal with the Pies then our focus should switch to Tippurt or focus on recruiting from the draft (Worked well so far).

 

[cotter101]

The games that we won in the past month prove that the forward line is not the issue as we a ranked second in the league for scoring efficeny of 61.34%. The real issue is whether our midfield can supply the demand required to beat the top teams. For example, the game against the hawks proves that our midfield cannot meet the supply that the hawks were giving to their forwards. Hence my reason why we should really have a crack at getting Dayne Beams back to Queensland rather than focusing on Tippurt. Dayne Beams is a A grade player now and is in the perfect age bracket as our current midfield. If Beams signs a deal with the Pies then our focus should switch to Tippurt or focus on recruiting from the draft (Worked well so far).

Yes but I'm more focused about our future when we start to challenge. Brown and Possibly Merrett won't be around. So we will need a KPF which is obviously why we will chase Tippet. I personally don't think the club will be all that interested in Beams.

 

[irel]

From what Emma Quayle has said recently, this draft isn't quite as deep as previously thought. It's hard to see him sliding if he can come in to a team and make an impact in the first year or two.

Link

The way I read that is that she agrees that contrary to the hype, this is not a super-draft.
For about eighteen months now there has been an opinion that this year's first round is comparable to the Judd-Ball-Hodge etc... draft. However, in my opinion this as in recent drafts is a relatively evenly spread draft. In terms of reasonable quality it should go deep into the fifties-sixties.

As far as Shaw is concerned I will make an early call. Unless there are some significant "dikk head" issues I have no hesitation in using a first rounder to draft him. Ignore his form in the Championship as there is some "Funny Business" being played with the WA team, especially guys like Shaw who under normal circumstances would be a strong top ten contender. His form outside the u18s championship has been fine.

 

[POBT]

How many J Browns have there been though?

I agree with the basic premise of what you are saying cotter but it is not unheard of for an elite KPF to make an early mark. Kosi did so in his first year. Riewoldt had his first year ruined by injury but came into senior footy with a bang in his second. Pavlich was an All Australian by the age of 20. Cloke won a B&F at the same age.

As I said earlier though, you wouldn't want to rely on this fast tracked development - chances are that you will need to wait for at least 3 and often 5 years to see the best of a young tall forward. If we take Hogan and he is 5 years in the making, we're talking 2017 - Daniel Rich will be 27! Damned if you do and damned if you don't though in terms of taking a tall prospect early - that's why Clark demanding a trade hurt our club long term. We really need one out of the box to make up for that.

 

[POBT]

As far as Shaw is concerned I will make an early call. Unless there are some significant "dikk head" issues I have no hesitation in using a first rounder to draft him. Ignore his form in the Championship as there is some "Funny Business" being played with the WA team, especially guys like Shaw who under normal circumstances would be a strong top ten contender. His form outside the u18s championship has been fine.

Are the WA clubs influencing things to get the home talent? There's a bit of Jack Darling in what is happening with Shaw's rating.

The little I saw of Shaw looked quite promising - maybe a little lazy in his approach in terms of getting to contests.

 

[irel]

Are the WA clubs influencing things to get the home talent? There's a bit of Jack Darling in what is happening with Shaw's rating.

The little I saw of Shaw looked quite promising - maybe a little lazy in his approach in terms of getting to contests.

A resounding yes to that question. Rumors of The Dockers and Shaw have abounded for the past two months.

 

[cotter101]

I agree with the basic premise of what you are saying cotter but it is not unheard of for an elite KPF to make an early mark. Kosi did so in his first year. Riewoldt had his first year ruined by injury but came into senior footy with a bang in his second. Pavlich was an All Australian by the age of 20. Cloke won a B&F at the same age.

As I said earlier though, you wouldn't want to rely on this fast tracked development - chances are that you will need to wait for at least 3 and often 5 years to see the best of a young tall forward. If we take Hogan and he is 5 years in the making, we're talking 2017 - Daniel Rich will be 27! Damned if you do and damned if you don't though - that's why Clark demanding a trade hurt our club long term. We really need one out of the box to make up for that.

Pretty unlikely though. Clark leaving especially now he is in good form at Melbourne has severely hurt us, which is why I feel the need for Tippet is more pressing than any of our other needs atm.

I'd be all for trying to pick up a State leauge KPF in the rookie draft.

I'm still liking Mitch Brewer but I don't think many people will agree with me on him, He could potentially make a impact in his first season if he keeps improving his fitness.

 

[JasRulz63]

From what I've read, WA have been quite disappointing in the championships, and their midfield hasn't been flash (especially on the weekend where SA smashed them). It's a bit hard for a stay at home deep FF like Shaw to impress when the ball isn't getting down there too much. WA have a few other tall forwards that can work up the ground (Hogan and Paparone), so Shaw is being left to stay deep. He's still kicked 10 goals from the 4 games so far, so it's not like he's been unsighted, and not to mention he's coming off 7 weeks off with that broken jaw. You don't lose all the talent shown to kick 66 goals in Colts overnight. Just my thoughts, I don't see the U/18's so I'm going purely off reports.

 

[PattyKwasagun]

I agree with the basic premise of what you are saying cotter but it is not unheard of for an elite KPF to make an early mark. Kosi did so in his first year. Riewoldt had his first year ruined by injury but came into senior footy with a bang in his second. Pavlich was an All Australian by the age of 20. Cloke won a B&F at the same age.

As I said earlier though, you wouldn't want to rely on this fast tracked development - chances are that you will need to wait for at least 3 and often 5 years to see the best of a young tall forward. If we take Hogan and he is 5 years in the making, we're talking 2017 - Daniel Rich will be 27! Damned if you do and damned if you don't though in terms of taking a tall prospect early - that's why Clark demanding a trade hurt our club long term. We really need one out of the box to make up for that.

Gee how great would it be if one or two of retzy/ace/lisle make it to the super kpf level. If we miss out on Tippett, I'd almost go as far as to say our short term future depends on it. If we're to do anything with our current young midfield, we'll need it to happen.

Don't disagree that a young kid can make an influence early, but as the main avenue to goal? Brown did well but had lynch and Bradshaw up there taking good defenders. It would've been entirely different had he been the main kpf of that group.

I really think those expecting ace or retzy to be delisted are way off the mark - at least, they are unless we get Tippett. We have so many mids on our list and so few key position prospects. We aren't really spoilt for choice to the extent that we can say one or both of them won't make it so they're gone.

I'm trying to think who else could be valuable to look at in the comp. I'd be all for some sort of a trade for gumbleton if we could, the bombers may be open to that but considering his status it'd cost a bit. I won't go on though, that's probably more for the trade thread.

 

[Gibbo_88]

If I was in Beams position I can't understand why he would consider leaving the pies at this stage of his career. He is playing very good footy ATM and to do that he would need to be mentally in a really good place. If he ever does want to come back to Qld I imagine it's much more likely after his next contract or the one after. Only way it could happen is if they offer him less than he thinks he is worth and we offer him substantially more and even then they can arrange 3rd party deals with him or other players to make up the difference.

 

[Ruse]

Gee how great would it be if one or two of retzy/ace/lisle make it to the super kpf level. If we miss out on Tippett, I'd almost go as far as to say our short term future depends on it. If we're to do anything with our current young midfield, we'll need it to happen.

Don't disagree that a young kid can make an influence early, but as the main avenue to goal? Brown did well but had lynch and Bradshaw up there taking good defenders. It would've been entirely different had he been the main kpf of that group.

I really think those expecting ace or retzy to be delisted are way off the mark - at least, they are unless we get Tippett. We have so many mids on our list and so few key position prospects. We aren't really spoilt for choice to the extent that we can say one or both of them won't make it so they're gone.

I'm trying to think who else could be valuable to look at in the comp. I'd be all for some sort of a trade for gumbleton if we could, the bombers may be open to that but considering his status it'd cost a bit. I won't go on though, that's probably more for the trade thread.

We could maybe draft Jackson Coleman as a mature aged he's going pretty well in the vfl or go really hard at trading for charlie dixon and even if we don't get tippett this year, hes always said he'd want to move back home at some stage in his career so in 3 years when we're ready to challenge we could maybe get him as a free agent or even trade a 1st rounder for him by that stage we'd hopefully have our midfield set and can afford to trade.

 

[whatboutbob]

Don't forget the last two televised U18 games are on this arvo.

Hope Hulk Hogan spends more time forward this game.

 

[dlanod]

How many J Browns have there been though?

I count seven according to http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/playersB_idx.html.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Don't forget the last two televised U18 games are on this arvo.

Hope Hulk Hogan spends more time forward this game.

Awesome. I guess my herniated disc in my back has paid off!

 

[Quigley]

Pretty unlikely though. Clark leaving especially now he is in good form at Melbourne has severely hurt us, which is why I feel the need for Tippet is more pressing than any of our other needs atm.

I'd be all for trying to pick up a State leauge KPF in the rookie draft.

I'm still liking Mitch Brewer but I don't think many people will agree with me on him, He could potentially make a impact in his first season if he keeps improving his fitness.

An AFL standard preseason would just about kill Mitch I think. It could make or break him though and if he actually got into good shape he would be an interesting prospect.

I haven't been following lately but has he gotten over his injuries from earlier in the season?

 

[cotter101]

An AFL standard preseason would just about kill Mitch I think. It could make or break him though and if he actually got into good shape he would be an interesting prospect.

I haven't been following lately but has he gotten over his injuries from earlier in the season?

He has dropped about 12-15 kilos in the last 4-5 months.

It was a severe bruised shin. He is well and truly over it now.

 

[charles202]

I havent seen Shaw play, so this might be a really stupid question, but.....

The way our team looks like it will be structued in the future is that we will play two rucks with one rotating through FF, from reports Shaw does not seem to play that roaming CHF role that would seem to fit with this structure, so does recruiting him really fit our style of play?

 

[borrat]

i really want brisbane to draft kristian jaksch so we can call him cousin it

jakschit

 

[thoselionslads]

A resounding yes to that question. Rumors of The Dockers and Shaw have abounded for the past two months.

Is Shaw playing at the moment?

 

[Mayestro]

Haven't watched a U18 champs game before, pretty entertaining.

Apart from the unattainable Whitfield, Toumpas and Grundy, I really liked the looks of Wines and Kennedy, both got a fair bit of it and used it really well.
Stringer looked pretty good in play but still has quite the limp when running behind play.
Sam Mayes was fairly prominent as well.

 

[Mayestro]

Is Shaw playing at the moment?

Didn't see him on the team sheet just now, but Hogan and Paparone are. Billings looks pretty sharp in the WA Vic M game just started.

Edit- yep Shaw is playing.

 

[thoselionslads]

Just heard his name called, #21 maybe.

 

[BuntonRules]

Realistically dreaming, if we got Sam Mayes I would be over the moon. Family in SA really rate him.