2012 Predictions

[scaryness]

1. Hawthorn
2. West Coast
3. Carlton
4. Geelong
5. Sydney
6. Essendon
7. Collingwood
8. North Melbourne
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9. Richmond
10. Fremantle
11. Melbourne
12. Adelaide
13. Brisbane
14. Western Bulldogs
15. St Kilda
16. Gold Coast
17. Port Adelaide
18. GWS

NAB Cup - Essendon
Premiership - Hawthorn beating Carlton
Brownlow - Joel Selwood
Coleman - Lance Franklin

 

[Jeebus]

Fair enough, but I'd like to know how you can predict that Carlton will have injuries to key players and Collingwood will have a controversial year?

History shows every year there's a team cut down by injuries. My prediction is Carlton. Have a feeling Judd will suffer an injury n maybe a couple more. will bring them down into the pack. Just like everyone's prediction it's not a guarantee and everyone gets a couple of teams completely wrong, they could do well next year an finish top 3 or they could get a freo run with injuries and finish lower.

Collingwood have a new untried coach, lost their assistants, salary cap is tight, didn't look very strong at the end of this year and have players like Shaw, Didak, Swan etc who have a history of controversy. Once again it is a prediction. May be spot on, they could be better or they could be worse, only time will tell.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Fair enough, but I'd like to know how you can predict that Carlton will have injuries to key players and Collingwood will have a controversial year?

It's a prediction thread.

I predict there will be more predictions.

 

[Jeebus]

It's a prediction thread.

I predict there will be more predictions.

Should we tell him we invented a time machine and are actually from the year 2017?

Sent From iPhone8

 

[GarnerSmash]

Why not:

1. Hawthorn - Really strong inside brigade complemented by skilful users of the ball and a dynamic forward line. Will confirm their status as a real heavyweight, injury permitting.

2. Collingwood - More of the same from the Pies. Need to develop a little more grunt to complement their class and swarming attack on the contest.

3. Geelong - Depends on the desire, but the group is still fit and has a nice blend of old heads and young talent. Will be primed for finals yet again.

4. Carlton - I for one can see a gradual decline from Judd, but enough talent to push them into the top 4.

5. West Coast - There will be some improvement, but not enough to match that of the top 4. Others will follow their fitness development and catch them. Subi still a factor.

6. Sydney - Keep on turning that list over with great effect. Tough midfield, disciplined defence and a few x-factor types up front. Well drilled and focussed team.

7. North Melbourne - Fitness a huge factor for this group. If good to go for 2012 other teams will struggle to win the ball.

8. Essendon - Quite a bit to like about the bombers, but still lack real quality in the middle. Getting there.

9. Adelaide - Much like Melbourne, the group will really benefit from new direction and make a jump up the ladder.

10. Melbourne - New coach will bring relief to a re-engaged group. Will play some good footy and get some big wins, but will still not be physically ready to take the next step.

11. Fremantle - Will struggle to adjust to Ross Lyon's philosophies on the big open spaces of Subi. Still a mentally fragile lot.

12. Brisbane - Could go anywhere from 9 - 15 IMO. Nice blend of talent and experience. Will be interesting to watch them develop.

13. St Kilda - New coach who will alter the playing style, which will in turn expose the Saints severe lack of depth.

14. Richmond - Top end great, the rest really poor. This will cost them as teams with greater overall depth improve.

15. Western Bulldogs - New coach, new game plan and new ideas. Expect some pain initially before rebounding later in the season. Young players to get more game time.

16. Gold Coast - Another development year as they sort the good from the not so good on the list. Expect real development from 2013.

17. Port - Going to struggle with lack of leadership and lack of depth. Games into youngsters will see them improve from 2013.

18. GWS - Too young

 

[daniel_4tw]

Have to wait until after the draw / drafts. But from here:


1. Hawthorn - Get key players back, give it a real shot.
2. Geelong - Still has a champion team, expect them to be amongst it again.
3. West Coast - Will improve on last year with the best ruck combo in the comp.
4. Collingwood - Entirely new coaching panel will hurt them, plus dominating for so long in 2011 only to fall short is going to restrict their drive. Still have plenty of talent for top 4 though.
5. Carlton - Can't see them overtaking any of the above teams as they didn't improve their list over the offseason.
6. Sydney - Always competitive.
7. Fremantle - Less injuries plus new coach, should see them up there.
8. Adelaide - Beat Hawks, and showed they had the cattle to beat Collingwood and Geelong in 2011. New coach could see them as a surprise packet.

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9. North Melbourne - Playing for a spot in the 8 up until round 22 again.
10. Essendon - Need a "superstar" mid to take them to the next level.
11. Richmond - Much of the same.
12. Melbourne - Losing Scully, and overpaying on Clarke.
13. Brisbane - Steadily improving.
14. St Kilda - Saints window officially closed.
15. Western Bulldogs - Backwards step for the doggies.
16. Gold Coast - More competitive than last year.
17. Port Adelaide - Another terrible year for the Power.
18. GWS - Far too young, unlikely to win a game for 2012.

 

[blacksockred]

Hawthorn
West Coast
Carlton
Geelong
Collingwood
North Melbourne
Melbourne
Sydney

Richmond
Adelaide
Fremantle
St Kilda
Essendon
Western Bulldogs
Brisbane
Gold Coast
Port Adelaide


Grand Final - Hawthorn v Carlton
Premiers - Carlton
Coleman - Franklin
Brownlow - Watson
Rising Star - John Patten

All Australian Side

FB: Frawley Jamieson Gibson
HB: Birchall Reid Bock
C: Ablett Watson Martin
HF: Fyfe Hawkins Trengove
FF: Lecras Franklin Rioli
R: Leuenberger Judd Pendlebury
Int: Lewis Mitchell Gibbs Waters


Tribunal
Trengove yet another sling tackle
Buddy to not get reported
A new nutcase Barry Hall replacement will go on a spree. I'm guessing Mitch Robinson.


Injuries
Scullys knee to restrict him to 15 or less games
Dangerfield to get concussion
Ruckman to get severely injured due to a tunneling incident

I wish I could say that you see the light, but Dons sliding 5 places kind of makes you delusional.

 

[schooners]

Why not:

1. Hawthorn - Really strong inside brigade complemented by skilful users of the ball and a dynamic forward line. Will confirm their status as a real heavyweight, injury permitting.

2. Collingwood - More of the same from the Pies. Need to develop a little more grunt to complement their class and swarming attack on the contest.

3. Geelong - Depends on the desire, but the group is still fit and has a nice blend of old heads and young talent. Will be primed for finals yet again.

4. Carlton - I for one can see a gradual decline from Judd, but enough talent to push them into the top 4.

5. West Coast - There will be some improvement, but not enough to match that of the top 4. Others will follow their fitness development and catch them. Subi still a factor.

6. Sydney - Keep on turning that list over with great effect. Tough midfield, disciplined defence and a few x-factor types up front. Well drilled and focussed team.

7. North Melbourne - Fitness a huge factor for this group. If good to go for 2012 other teams will struggle to win the ball.

8. Essendon - Quite a bit to like about the bombers, but still lack real quality in the middle. Getting there.

9. Adelaide - Much like Melbourne, the group will really benefit from new direction and make a jump up the ladder.

10. Melbourne - New coach will bring relief to a re-engaged group. Will play some good footy and get some big wins, but will still not be physically ready to take the next step.

11. Fremantle - Will struggle to adjust to Ross Lyon's philosophies on the big open spaces of Subi. Still a mentally fragile lot.

12. Brisbane - Could go anywhere from 9 - 15 IMO. Nice blend of talent and experience. Will be interesting to watch them develop.

13. St Kilda - New coach who will alter the playing style, which will in turn expose the Saints severe lack of depth.

14. Richmond - Top end great, the rest really poor. This will cost them as teams with greater overall depth improve.

15. Western Bulldogs - New coach, new game plan and new ideas. Expect some pain initially before rebounding later in the season. Young players to get more game time.

16. Gold Coast - Another development year as they sort the good from the not so good on the list. Expect real development from 2013.

17. Port - Going to struggle with lack of leadership and lack of depth. Games into youngsters will see them improve from 2013.

18. GWS - Too young

Yep Juddy showed a fair bit of decline this year eh, so i guess he'll ave a real stinker in 2012!! Tell him hes dreamin!!!

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Melbourne will surely finish top 4.

 

[Tulip]

Geelong to 6th? It's easy to be defensive of our own team, but why? Ling is a lost, but the young guys will be / should be better. Just don't see it but happy to hear the reasoning.

Wasn't my prediction, but i personally do question whether they'll have the passion despite the quotes. And could you blame them?

Also, Scarlett, Pods, Enright older

 

[Parallel Andy]

1 Collingwood
2 Hawthorn
3 West Coast
4 Carlton
5 Geelong
6 Fremantle
7 Sydney
8 Melbourne
9 Essendon
10 St Kilda
11 Western Bulldogs
12 North Melbourne
13 Adelaide
14 Richmond
15 Brisbane
16 Port Adelaide
17 Gold Coast
18 GWS

 

[Good_Burger]

1.Hawthorn Hawks
2.West Coast Eagles
3.Geelong Cats
4.Carlton
5.Collingwood Magpies
6.Essendon Bombers
7.Sydney Swans
8.Fremantle Dockers
9.North Melbourne Kangaroos
10.Melbourne
11.Saint Kilda
12. Gold Coast Suns
13.Western Bulldogs
14.Adelaide Crows
15.Brisbane Lions
16.Richmond Tigers
17.Port Adelaide
18. Greater Western Sydney

 

[BrandonG]

Have to wait until after the draw / drafts. But from here:


1. Hawthorn - Get key players back, give it a real shot.
2. Geelong - Still has a champion team, expect them to be amongst it again.
3. West Coast - Will improve on last year with the best ruck combo in the comp.
4. Collingwood - Entirely new coaching panel will hurt them, plus dominating for so long in 2011 only to fall short is going to restrict their drive. Still have plenty of talent for top 4 though.
5. Carlton - Can't see them overtaking any of the above teams as they didn't improve their list over the offseason.
6. Sydney - Always competitive.
7. Fremantle - Less injuries plus new coach, should see them up there.
8. Adelaide - Beat Hawks, and showed they had the cattle to beat Collingwood and Geelong in 2011. New coach could see them as a surprise packet.

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9. North Melbourne - Playing for a spot in the 8 up until round 22 again.
10. Essendon - Need a "superstar" mid to take them to the next level.
11. Richmond - Much of the same.
12. Melbourne - Losing Scully, and overpaying on Clarke.
13. Brisbane - Steadily improving.
14. St Kilda - Saints window officially closed.
15. Western Bulldogs - Backwards step for the doggies.
16. Gold Coast - More competitive than last year.
17. Port Adelaide - Another terrible year for the Power.
18. GWS - Far too young, unlikely to win a game for 2012.

we only had one player break into the team permanently from a trade was laidler besides that we picked up curnow and duigan in the draft and touhy is an international rookie (i think) so how can you say we will not over take because we didn't improve our list over the off season when the off season has not finished ?

 

[Schulzenfest]

1. Hawthorn
2. Collingwood
3. Carlton
4. Geelong
5. Sydney
6. Freo
7. West Coast
8. Melbourne

9. North
10. Brisbane
11. Essendon
12. Western Bulldogs
13. Richmond
14. St. Kilda
15. Port Adelaide
16. Adelaide
17. Gold Coast
18. GWS

Grand Final: Hawthorn v Collingwood
Premiers: Hawthorn
Brownlow: Sam Mitchell
Coleman: Lance Franklin

It's gonna be the year of the Hawk IMO.

 

[LeverPuller]

Revised, post-trade week prediction:

1. Hawthorn (team to beat by far)
2. Carlton (big improvement now as many more hit their stride)
3. Collingwood (All those assistants plus MM gone will have an impact)
4. Geelong (The decline begins....to a point)
5. Sydney (Sharp once more, yet not good enough again)
6. North (They hit their straps)
7. West Coast (2011 proves to be the same as Adelaide's 2010 but with less fall)
8. Melbourne (Restructure suits them with Clark)
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9. Adelaide (Smart recruiting and a big year)
10. Essendon (Same-old, same old average list that gets shown up as those around them adjust)
11. Freo (The year to change to Freo Footy)
12. St Kilda (Forced to cut apart their squad due to salary cap + Goddard to GWS rumblings)
13. Brisbane (Improvement, more good performances, but still simply that)
14. Richmond (Another flash in the pan improvement year is subsequently ruined by injury the following year)
15. Bulldogs (Rebuild time)
16. Gold Coast (Improvement is there, but still time will tell)
17. Port (Ebert and Renouf slot in nicely, but still a huge amount of work)
18. GWS (Kids getting demolished by men)

 

[Boppo]

Blues, Saints, swans to slide..crows, lions, Freo to move up.

 

[Ninty]

1. Geelong
2. Collingwood
3. Hawthorn
4. Melbourne
5. West Coast
6. Sydney
7. North Melbourne
8. Fremantle

9. Richmond
10. Essendon
11. Western Bulldogs
12. Carlton
13. Adelaide
14. Port Adelaide
15. St Kilda
16. Brisbane
17. Greater Western Sydney
18. Gold Coast

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

Yep Juddy showed a fair bit of decline this year eh, so i guess he'll ave a real stinker in 2012!! Tell him hes dreamin!!!

Actually, towards the end of the year he did.
Opposition teams (well, the good ones) figured out how to make him a lot less effective. He needs a lot more help from his team mates.

I too think the Blues will slide a touch.

Good list and may of been good enough to win had it been assembled 3/4 years ago but unfortunately for them there are 3/4 teams with stronger lists and/or more potential upside.

Like the past few years they'll beat up on everyone below them and struggle against the top sides.

Freo to rise and take 4th over a slightly hungover WCE. Cant see haw/coll/geel sliding yet.

 

[disgruntled goat]

1. Collingwood - Need Jolly to stand up and/or Wood to come through with the goods. Could be another surprise packet come through from our ruck stocks. Scary to think that the likes of Pendlebury, Thomas, Cloke, Reid, O'Brien, Shaw, Dawes are still two to three years off their peak. Continual improvement from our mid-range players Wellingham, Beams, Sidebottom et al, more of the same from Ball, Tarrant, etc. and return of N. Brown and the real Didak will see them very, very hard to beat.

While not in any way dismissing the validity of your claims, the problem (and it may have already been brought up in later posts in this thread) is that Collingwood (or any club, for that matter) will struggle to keep ALL the outstanding players you've named on the same list for too much longer. Already, the salary cap issue have sent shivers through Pies fans fearing GWS was circling Pendlebury and Thomas.

And then you've got the inevitable contract upgrades of the likes of Blair, Fasolo et al, and you can see Collingwood will face some serious list dilemmas, as will other clubs as they build their lists. Look at the heat on St Kilda now.

My point is that it's all very well highlighting the current and future strengths of any one team or another, but the situation changes very quickly and it's difficult to predict any more than 12 months ahead based on who's in what teams right now.

 

[Leslie_Chow]

1. Hawthorn
2. Collingwood
3. West Coast
4. Geelong
5. Carlton
6. Sydney
7. St Kilda
8. Adelaide

9. Fremantle
10. Essendon
11. North
12. Melbourne
13. Richmond
14. Brisbane
15. Bulldogs
16. Gold Coast
17. Port
18. GWS

 

[candiehappy]

1. Collingwood - Need Jolly to stand up and/or Wood to come through with the goods. Could be another surprise packet come through from our ruck stocks. Scary to think that the likes of Pendlebury, Thomas, Cloke, Reid, O'Brien, Shaw, Dawes are still two to three years off their peak. Continual improvement from our mid-range players Wellingham, Beams, Sidebottom et al, more of the same from Ball, Tarrant, etc. and return of N. Brown and the real Didak will see them very, very hard to beat.

While not in any way dismissing the validity of your claims, the problem (and it may have already been brought up in later posts in this thread) is that Collingwood (or any club, for that matter) will struggle to keep ALL the outstanding players you've named on the same list for too much longer. Already, the salary cap issue have sent shivers through Pies fans fearing GWS was circling Pendlebury and Thomas.

And then you've got the inevitable contract upgrades of the likes of Blair, Fasolo et al, and you can see Collingwood will face some serious list dilemmas, as will other clubs as they build their lists. Look at the heat on St Kilda now.

My point is that it's all very well highlighting the current and future strengths of any one team or another, but the situation changes very quickly and it's difficult to predict any more than 12 months ahead based on who's in what teams right now.

I can't agree with that, these guys are peaking right now, just need to maintain it. I'll watch Collingwood with interest. New coach and how they deal with the GF loss. Wouldn't be surprised to see them at the top again, and not surprised if they slide a bit (but not too far). Depending on how the other teams stand up, anywhere from 1st to 6th IMO.

 

[MC_9]

1. Hawthorn
2. Collingwood
3. Carlton
4. Geelong
5. Sydney
6. Freo
7. West Coast
8. Melbourne

9. North
10. Brisbane
11. Essendon
12. Western Bulldogs
13. Richmond
14. St. Kilda
15. Port Adelaide
16. Adelaide
17. Gold Coast
18. GWS

Grand Final: Hawthorn v Collingwood
Premiers: Hawthorn
Brownlow: Sam Mitchell
Coleman: Lance Franklin

It's gonna be the year of the Hawk IMO.

I like the way you think.

 

[Brissy Bomber]

1. Hawthorn
2. Collingwood
3. Carlton
4. Geelong
5. West Coast
6. Sydney
7. Adelaide
8. Melbourne

9. Richmond
10. North
11. Bulldogs
12. Brisbane
13. Gold Coast
14. Fremantle
15. Port
16. St Kilda
17. Essendon
18. GWS


Grand Final: Hawthorn v Carlton
Premiers: Hawthorn
Brownlow: Marc Murphy
Coleman: Cloke
Norm Smith: Judd

 

[Frank Steen]

1. Geelong
2. Collingwood
3. Hawthorn
4. Melbourne
5. West Coast
6. Sydney
7. North Melbourne
8. Fremantle

9. Richmond
10. Essendon
11. Western Bulldogs
12. Carlton
13. Adelaide
14. Port Adelaide
15. St Kilda
16. Brisbane
17. Greater Western Sydney
18. Gold Coast

Nice...but no. Maybe in 2013 or 14.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Shhhhh.

No one needs to know.