2014/15 Australian Summer - squeezing it in with CWC as well.

[hitthepost]

So, all CWC venues are required by the ICC on either 31 January or 1 Feburary (can't remember source or exactly how that was worded). Which means, unless domestic matches continue through February/March at non-CWC venues, even the Shield, Ryobi and BBL will be completed by the end of Janurary 2015.

The Future Tours Program has 5 ODIs and 3 T20Is vs South Africa in November, followed by 4 Tests vs India in December/January, and then "Triangular 5 ODIs" vs India and England rounding out January. Going to be a tight schedule.

Assuming there are tour matches (and I've probably been optimistic with the number I've added!), next summer's international schedule could look something like this, possibly:



Competitions: Commonwealth Bank Test Series (CBT), Carlton Mid Series (CMS), KFC T20 Internationals (KFC), Tour Matches (TM).
Match formats: Test (Test), One-Day International (ODI), Twenty20 International (T20I), First-Class (FC), List A Limited-Overs (LA).

By Date Comp Match Venue Format
Sun 2 Nov TM Aus A v RSA XI WACA LA
Tue 4 Nov TM Sth Aus v RSA XI (D/N) AO LA
Fri 7 Nov CMS Aus v RSA (D/N) MCG ODI
Sun 9 Nov CMS Aus v RSA (D/N) SCG ODI
Fri 14 Nov CMS Aus v RSA (D/N) Bel ODI
Sun 16 Nov CMS Aus v RSA WACA ODI
Fri 21 Nov CMS Aus v RSA (D/N) Gab ODI
Fri 21-Mon 24 NovTM New Sth Wales v Ind XI SCG FC
Sun 23 Nov KFCAus v RSA(N) MCG T20I
Wed 26 Nov KFCAus v RSA (N) ANZ T20I
Thu 27-Sun 30 Nov TMAus A v Ind XI WACA FC
Fri 28 Nov KFC Aus v RSA(N) AO T20I
Thu 4-Mon 8 Dec CBT Aus v Ind Gab Test
Fri 12-Tue 16 Dec CBT Aus v Ind AO Test
Sat 20-Sun 21 Dec TM CA Chair’s XI v Ind XI Bel FC
Fri 26-Tue 30 Dec CBT Aus v Ind MCG Test
Sat 3-Wed 7 Jan CBT Aus v Ind SCG Test
Fri 9 Jan TM Aus A v Eng XI (D/N) Gab LA
Sun 11 Jan TM PM’s XI v Ind XI (D/N) Manuka LA
Mon 12 Jan TM Qld v Eng XI (D/N) Gab LA
Tue 13 Jan TM Tas v Ind XI (D/N) Bel LA
Fri 16 Jan CMS Aus v Ind (D/N) MCG ODI
Sun 18 Jan CMS Aus v Eng (D/N) SCG ODI
Tue 20 Jan CMS Ind v Eng (D/N) Gab ODI
Fri 23 Jan CMS Aus v Eng WACA ODI
Mon 26 Jan CMS Aus v Ind (D/N) AO ODI
Wed 28 Jan CMS Ind v Eng (D/N) Bel ODI

This is a mixture of what I'd like to see, combined with what I generally expect from CA (eg Day game at WACA on a work day). There are way more List A tour games on here than I'd ever expect, but I'm pretty sure they wouldn't go astray coming into the world cup.

Expecting another tournament-style Ryobi Cup, BBL lasting only 4-6 weeks (not 7ish) through end of school to end of January, and possibly only a total of 5 Shield games per team (once vs each state) squeezed in.

Thoughts, comments, what are people expecting/hoping for next summer before the World Cup?

 

[The_Reaper]

So, all CWC venues are required by the ICC on either 31 January or 1 Feburary (can't remember source or exactly how that was worded). Which means, unless domestic matches continue through February/March at non-CWC venues, even the Shield, Ryobi and BBL will be completed by the end of Janurary 2015.

Allan Border Field
North Sydney Oval
Junction
Glenelg
Lilac Hill

And various regional stadiums I guess.

 

[hitthepost]

Allan Border Field
North Sydney Oval
Junction
Glenelg
Lilac Hill

And various regional stadiums I guess.

Add Border Field in Qld and we've covered everyone bar Tasmania. NSW also has about 5 other venues they can use.
Last I head CV was lobbying for funding to upgrade Junction to First-Class standards. Is Lilac a First-Class venue? I know it used to host a tour match but not for a while now.

Also the question of whether CA wants to hold the Shield final at a "minor" venue in the middle/at the end of the World Cup. Quite possibly all other professional cricket is required to cease for the duration of the World Cup - this is the case with the Olympics, where no other major events are allowed in the host city during the Games, per IOC regulations.

 

[The_Reaper]

Add Border Field in Qld and we've covered everyone bar Tasmania. NSW also has about 5 other venues they can use.
Last I head CV was lobbying for funding to upgrade Junction to First-Class standards. Is Lilac a First-Class venue? I know it used to host a tour match but not for a while now.

Also the question of whether CA wants to hold the Shield final at a "minor" venue in the middle/at the end of the World Cup. Quite possibly all other professional cricket is required to cease for the duration of the World Cup - this is the case with the Olympics, where no other major events are allowed in the host city during the Games, per IOC regulations.

Lilac probably isn't a first class venue but given some of the grounds shield cricket matches have been played at I'm not overly concerned.

 

[Mateyman]

Add Border Field in Qld and we've covered everyone bar Tasmania. NSW also has about 5 other venues they can use.
Last I head CV was lobbying for funding to upgrade Junction to First-Class standards. Is Lilac a First-Class venue? I know it used to host a tour match but not for a while now.

Also the question of whether CA wants to hold the Shield final at a "minor" venue in the middle/at the end of the World Cup. Quite possibly all other professional cricket is required to cease for the duration of the World Cup - this is the case with the Olympics, where no other major events are allowed in the host city during the Games, per IOC regulations.

England vs SA was on during London 2012?

 

[The_Reaper]

England vs SA was on during London 2012?

Not in London

 

[hitthepost]

England vs SA was on during London 2012?

London 2012 was just that - London. Feel free to play cricket in Manchester during the Olympics.
Given CWC is Australia/New Zealand and not just one city, it's likely no professional cricket in AUS/NZL apart from WC during the duration.

 

[The_Reaper]

London 2012 was just that - London. Feel free to play cricket in Manchester during the Olympics.
Given CWC is Australia/New Zealand and not just one city, it's likely no professional cricket in AUS/NZL apart from WC during the duration.

It's highly unlikely. The sheffield shield will not detract any attention at all from the world cup.

 

[hitthepost]

It's highly unlikely. The sheffield shield will not detract any attention at all from the world cup.

Last two CWCs have seen domestic competitions completed prior. Fitting that many international teams into training facilities and accommodation, plus all the spectators who travel, you wouldn't want to go "sorry sir, no rooms left, Queelsnand have the last ones because they're over here for a Shield game nobody will go see anyway".

 

[Illinois Nazi]

Next summer can go and get ****ed as far as I'm concerned.

 

[The_Reaper]

Last two CWCs have seen domestic competitions completed prior. Fitting that many international teams into training facilities and accommodation, plus all the spectators who travel, you wouldn't want to go "sorry sir, no rooms left, Queelsnand have the last ones because they're over here for a Shield game nobody will go see anyway".

Then play the shield matches in regional venues. No world cup matches in Newcastle for instance.

 

[Smartys Power]

England have to come back for a triangular series? They would be absolutely ruing that day. Poor mob.

 

[eth-dog]

Tassie would use York Park wouldn't they?

 

[hitthepost]

Tassie would use York Park wouldn't they?

They won't need to because the ICC will require no other professional cricket be played simultaneous to the CWC within the Host Nations. The only professional cricket you'll find from 1 Feb-29 March 2015 in Australia and New Zealand will be World Cup and warmup matches.

 

[The_Reaper]

They won't need to because the ICC will require no other professional cricket be played simultaneous to the CWC within the Host Nations. The only professional cricket you'll find from 1 Feb-29 March 2015 in Australia and New Zealand will be World Cup and warmup matches.

Source?

And that is more to prevent other matches taking away audiences. So there will be no BBL but I doubt the ICC care about the 500 people who rock up to a shield match

 

[hitthepost]

Source?
And that is more to prevent other matches taking away audiences. So there will be no BBL but I doubt the ICC care about the 500 people who rock up to a shield match

As I said, the whole of South Africa domestic finished before the WC. No first-class, no ODD. So did the West Indies. No first-class, no ODD, no T20. When the World Cup of any major sport comes to town, the whole sport stops and works around it. Rugby, Soccer, whatever. All facilities owned/seconded by the sport for its own use are made available to the World Cup.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

Tassie would use York Park wouldn't they?

Not suitable for First Class cricket. Even though it now has a drop-in pitch (which wouldn;t be used anyway as the AFL would want the venue) it doesn;lt have the practice facilities unless that FC venues require (but 20 and ListA do not) unless something was done with Invermay Park.
Australia's original FC ground, the NTCA still meets those requirements but is badly run down through neglect.

I suspect CA will take the excuse to cut the Shield in half, claim it is a one-off, and then not restore it the season after.

 

[hitthepost]

What about everything else?
I write one sentence about the domestic season....

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

India normally only play one FC tour game, even when offered more. It has possibly cost them a series in Australia before (not last time here, but the one before). For the NZ series they are playing a two day game only. Admittedly that is after some acclimatisation through the ODI series. I presume that tour game will be AustraliaA in Perth, given there is no Perth Test (and you have that as one of the games).

The South African games could be condensed by playing Tuesday or Wednesday as well as Friday/Sunday. Given the Test series will go until Jan 7 there is no real need though in terms of fixture squeeze, as it won't wrap things up any quicker before the WC. The only advantage may be to allow players more Shield games before the India Test series, but that will not be CA's focus.

I thought the ODIs were going to be an AUS/ENG/IND tri-series, but am not sure why I have been thinking that. (edit: the FTP says tri-series, or at least the vsrion I just looked at). A tri-series makes sense as the reason they are here is to have a lead-up tournament rather than couple of friendlies before the WC like most nations will have.
And that is the other thing to squeeze in, where and when those games are played. Some will be in NZ obviously. Sri Lanka (according to the FTP) will play a 5 game series in NZ. They don't have to be at the WC venues of course.

I wouldn't expect bellerive to get a game involving Australia before the WC. A couple of lead up games featuring Afghanistan and the UAE would be about it. Similar with Manuka, PM XI game v India probably.

 

[hitthepost]

...friendlies before the WC like most nations will have.
And that is the other thing to squeeze in, where and when those games are played. Some will be in NZ obviously. Sri Lanka (according to the FTP) will play a 5 game series in NZ. They don't have to be at the WC venues of course.

I wouldn't expect bellerive to get a game involving Australia before the WC. A couple of lead up games featuring Afghanistan and the UAE would be about it. Similar with Manuka, PM XI game v India probably.

WC warmup games come in from 1-12ish February, as part of the ICC exclusive period. They're not official ODIs either, allowing a few things like batting one XI and adding a bowler or vice-versa. I'm pretty sure one is Australia-India at Adelaide Oval, actually.
The triangular series aren't official warmup games; they form part of the rotation of teams coming for ODI series once every 2-3 years. Given no Test for Bellerive 2 years in a row (they don't normally get one in an Ashes year but the other 3 years of the cycle they generally do) I'd say they and WACA will definitely receive an ODI each, and maybe a tour match.

 

[The_Reaper]

WC warmup games come in from 1-12ish February, as part of the ICC exclusive period. They're not official ODIs either, allowing a few things like batting one XI and adding a bowler or vice-versa. I'm pretty sure one is Australia-India at Adelaide Oval, actually.
The triangular series aren't official warmup games; they form part of the rotation of teams coming for ODI series once every 2-3 years. Given no Test for Bellerive 2 years in a row (they don't normally get one in an Ashes year but the other 3 years of the cycle they generally do) I'd say they and WACA will definitely receive an ODI each, and maybe a tour match.

IIRC the WACA was promised 4 limited overs internationals (in addition to world cup matches) as compensation for not having a test.

 

[hitthepost]

IIRC the WACA was promised 4 limited overs internationals (in addition to world cup matches) as compensation for not having a test.

Wow. Didn't hear about that. What's the bet two of them are neutrals and three of the four are on weekdays, with all of them starting at 11.00!

 

[Slax]

Expecting another tournament-style Ryobi Cup, BBL lasting only 4-6 weeks (not 7ish) through end of school to end of January, and possibly only a total of 5 Shield games per team (once vs each state) squeezed in.

Thoughts, comments, what are people expecting/hoping for next summer before the World Cup?

5 Shield games per team would be a massive backward step for Australian cricket, we have seen too many batsman tried in the test side without solid enough performances in FC this would only make things worse.

I would keep the 10 games, there would need to be more back to back matches and they could scrap the final declaring the winner whomever is on top.

 

[Illinois Nazi]

Wow. Didn't hear about that. What's the bet two of them are neutrals and three of the four are on weekdays, with all of them starting at 11.00!

Don't forget Clarke, Watson, Warner, Haddin etc being rested that week.

 

[Badesumofu]

I'd hate to see the Shield final scrapped unless they made all the matches 5 days, and altered the points system, ideally to make it zero-sum (just mean all matches worth the same number of points whether there is a result or not) so that there is proper incentive in trying to save a match to gain a draw when you're unable to win. Ideally, I'd like to see those changes made and the final retained, but there probably is not time for that next Summer.