List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Prospects

[12Chill]

I think he's certainly in the top 50 for draft prospects and is a likely 3rd round selection, but I would prefer Webb, Miller or Viojo-Rainbow if we had the chance to take one of those 3 with our 3rd selection. Menadue isn't built and I don't think he'll ever have the build to play midfield in the AFL.

I've never seen Menadue play so this might be way off the mark but from what I heard, but is he a little like a young Andrew Collins (Richmond and Carlton?) A good height but a bit too skinny?

 

[12Chill]

I'd also love to see one of Webb or Viojo-Rainbow at the club because of their elite kicking skills.

 

[Ads734]

For some more info on Webb. He is a really good height for a modern day midfielder around 186/187 mark could still grow. Although at champs he played CHF at school level he plays in the middle and is really effective so its not like he is not competent there. Also he just has more time and space then the next person( yes he's one of those players in the mould of Nick Dal Santo and Scott Pendlebury). So guess he is similar to Murdoch but he can genuinely play in the midfield. Another thing with him is he seems to be supremely agile and although not overly quick he is quick in the mind. He is also a really smart player so a combination of skill, Inside/outside game, really strong hands and elite kick as well as great awareness and decision making. Incase you haven't noticed big big fan. The one real area for improvement is for him to find more of the ball however if you put into context the position he was playing at the champs to average around 17 disposals for amid sized forward isn't to bad and similar to Jack Billings at the level last year.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Go Giants..

 

[RobbieMuir]

What has happened to Taylor Grace there was lots of talk about him earlier on as a potential rookie list player. Has anyone seen much of him?

I watched the Dragons V Stingrays game last week. Taylor Grace played pretty well as an on-baller. He would have had close to 30 touches and looks very classy. He actually looked a bit better than Angus Brayshaw on the day, although I also like the way Brayshaw moves. It was freezing cold, wet and windy so it wasn't an ideal day for anyone trying to impress, but I didn't think Brayshaw looked particularly quick (got caught a couple of times), although his skills were very clean in the wet. I also liked the look of Brayden Maynard from the Dragons. He didn't get a huge amount of the footy but was constantly in the play. Tom Lamb played reasonably well and was bringing other players into the game and 'directing traffic' a fair bit. Because of the conditions, no one particular player really stood out on the day, but I wouldn't be against us picking Grace up as a late rookie pick. He seems to have all the skills to make it.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Mav has been doing his job now just to get him here.

 

[Moral Decay]

If Jeremy Cameron was available directly for pick 3 or 4, definitely do the trade, but I'm afraid it's likely going to cost us more then that. I'd say Armo is off limits if they're interested in him and our first pick, since he's our next captain, I'm confident of that. But I'd be more open to the idea of trading Armo and pick 3 or 4 for Cameron and pick 20, maybe throw in Whiley like has been suggested. Maybe if we trade pick 3/4 and Gilbert/Gwilt for Cameron. Idk.
I wouldn't mind taking Brayshaw but I'm not sure about McCartin, if it looks like Wright and Petracca are gone before our first pick then I'd do the trade for Cameron.

And yeah hopefully Weller makes it to our second selection, Gold Coast really like him though and they have 2 first round picks (a compensation after Geelongs first pick) and I still think they'll take Weller.

Ok I'm delighted the Cameron wants to come t the Saints Yay for us.

The question will be the price. and what it means to us.
We've lost BJ and Dal, we're going to lose Lenny and now to get a KPF we're talking about not only a potential no1 draft pick but one of our next two best mids to make it work.

We need elite mids, would Cameron play in the centre?
If we traded Armitage to Richmond or Melbourne would he command a first round pick?
Is Cameron more important to us than Petracca and say Brayshaw?

The only way I see us getting Cameron, that wpulkd work for us would be to trade Stanley (or any combination of draft picks we might get for him from Port for example) and say any one of our plethora of HBFs say Gilbert or Jimmy Webster or Fisher.
Not only have the club declared that they want to get more first round picks, we don't have enough midfield talent to be trading our best out let alone our best and our no1 pick. If we give GWS Armitage and our first pick we're making our list more unbalanced and we'll have to pay Cameron plenty too which will give us all sorts of problems in two years when we are looking for free agents.

Yes I want him but only at the right price and that isn't be our first pick and Armitage.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Ok I'm delighted the Cameron wants to come t the Saints Yay for us.

The question will be the price. and what it means to us.
We've lost BJ and Dal, we're going to lose Lenny and now to get a KPF we're talking about not only a potential no1 draft pick but one of our next two best mids to make it work.

We need elite mids, would Cameron play in the centre?
If we traded Armitage to Richmond or Melbourne would he command a first round pick?
Is Cameron more important to us than Petracca and say Brayshaw?

The only way I see us getting Cameron, that wpulkd work for us would be to trade Stanley (or any combination of draft picks we might get for him from Port for example) and say any one of our plethora of HBFs say Gilbert or Jimmy Webster or Fisher.
Not only have the club declared that they want to get more first round picks, we don't have enough midfield talent to be trading our best out let alone our best and our no1 pick. If we give GWS Armitage and our first pick we're making our list more unbalanced and we'll have to pay Cameron plenty too which will give us all sorts of problems in two years when we are looking for free agents.

Yes I want him but only at the right price and that isn't be our first pick and Armitage.

a) we don't know what they are asking.
b) Armo isn't the be all and end all.
c) most teams pick up decent mids every drafts
d) kpf's are hard to come by
e) this is all hypothethitical so stop getting your knickers in a knot

 

[Moral Decay]

a) we don't know what they are asking.
b) Armo isn't the be all and end all.
c) most teams pick up decent mids every drafts
d) kpf's are hard to come by
e) this is all hypothethitical so stop getting your knickers in a knot

f) you're (me), spending way too much time on big footy
g) it's been a long season
h) I've been supporting the Saints for too long

 

[Stewart66]

For some more info on Webb. He is a really good height for a modern day midfielder around 186/187 mark could still grow. Although at champs he played CHF at school level he plays in the middle and is really effective so its not like he is not competent there. Also he just has more time and space then the next person( yes he's one of those players in the mould of Nick Dal Santo and Scott Pendlebury). So guess he is similar to Murdoch but he can genuinely play in the midfield. Another thing with him is he seems to be supremely agile and although not overly quick he is quick in the mind. He is also a really smart player so a combination of skill, Inside/outside game, really strong hands and elite kick as well as great awareness and decision making. Incase you haven't noticed big big fan. The one real area for improvement is for him to find more of the ball however if you put into context the position he was playing at the champs to average around 17 disposals for amid sized forward isn't to bad and similar to Jack Billings at the level last year.

Agree with you Petracca Webb Bamford are the 3.

 

[Hayes4PM]

Mav has been doing his job now just to get him here.
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Isn't he a Gold Coast academy member as well?! Maybe Mav really has convinced him?!

 

[Periphery]

Isn't he a Gold Coast academy member as well?! Maybe Mav really has convinced him?!

He isn't.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Isn't he a Gold Coast academy member as well?! Maybe Mav really has convinced him?!

Something like that i think.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

He isn't.

You sure?

pretty sure he is/was they just can't take him in the draft under that academy rule.

 

[Hayes4PM]

Yeah he wasat least a Suns Academy member for a year. But being a Tassie boy he's not a zone selection for them.

 

[Periphery]

You sure?

pretty sure he is/was they just can't take him in the draft under that academy rule.

I assumed that GC getting to draft him as an academy player was what Hayes was referring to. As far as I know he is in their academy but hasn't been there long enough to be taken as one.

 

[Defacto]

saw a young bloke for subi thats somehow managed to fly completely under the radar. has a leap on him like howel that allows him to beat the likes of sinclair and paul johnson in the ruck, pretty impressive for an 18 year old!!!!

 

[Defacto]

some things from the WAFL today:
Picketts first game in the seniors in a shite south freo side that got over the top of a half decent east freo side: 10D 5M 1T 3I50 3G 2B
Clem Smith reserves: 22D 3M 3T 3I50
Blakely seniors in a side that got a hiding: 20D 3M 3T
Keitel colts in a side that got flogged by subi (yay): 12D 6M 4T 2I50 3G 1B
Cripps reserves: 14D 7M 4T 2I50 2G
Garlett reserves: 17D 6M 4T 6I50 1G 2B

also any relation ;-)
http://www.wafl.com.au/players/view/4281

side note: ash smith is done. will be delisted surely

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

some things from the WAFL today:
Picketts first game in the seniors in a shite south freo side that got over the top of a half decent east freo side: 10D 5M 1T 3I50 3G 2B
Clem Smith reserves: 22D 3M 3T 3I50
Blakely seniors in a side that got a hiding: 20D 3M 3T
Keitel colts in a side that got flogged by subi (yay): 12D 6M 4T 2I50 3G 1B
Cripps reserves: 14D 7M 4T 2I50 2G

also any relation ;-)
http://www.wafl.com.au/players/view/4281

side note: ash smith is done. will be delisted surely

They look like twins.

 

[aussierulesrules]

I'm struggling to believe a deal has already been done between two clubs with a contracted player well before the seasons end.

It hasn't, nothing is set in stone (which Brian clarified for me last night, hence me saying so in this thread last night), but what Brian was trying to say, but probably didn't word ideally, is that he believes it is a huge chance of happening, because his mail is that Cameron has told GWS that he wants out and that he has nominated us as his club of choice and that because he's been told they are already talking to us about a trade, that we would in his opinion accept, he is calling/tipping it a "done deal", because he doesn't see enough changing between now and then to stop it from happening, based on what he has been told and what he believes will happen as far as our wins for the rest of the year goes, and so-on. So what he has told us is part mail and part personal prediction/opinion, based on that mail. That's all.

The fact that JC won't be playing again this year probably helps our cause though, because he won't be able to come out next week and kick 10 and make them want to take him off the table, like how Sheil came back into their team a couple of months ago after a poor start to the season and a spell in the NEAFL and started to blitz again. So what they have told us it will take to get the deal done now might not change that much by the end of the year.

He first told me (2 or 3 weeks ago) that GWS had spoken to us about a potential trade for Cameron (for pick 1, as it looked like we would clearly finish bottom at the time), but he said at the time that we'd been told that Cameron was 50/50 about re-signing with GWS and that any trade would only be if he refused to re-sign with them, but if the latest mail is correct it sounds as though JC has now made up his mind and that he has now told GWS that he definitely wants out and as such they might not want to risk him leaving when out of contract next year and they may also prefer to not have to put another year of development into him (and to lose a year of development that they could put into a McCartin/Petracca/Wright/Brayshaw- not to mention a Boyd/McCarthy in his place in their best 22!), so they may just want to cut their losses now and move on (with Patton, Boyd, Tomlinson, Jaksch, McCarthy, McCartin, Wright, Petracca- who could play forward- or whoever).

There are apparently plenty of clubs in world sport who will trade someone 12 months before their current contract is due to expire, if they won't extend their contract, because they don't like to have anyone come out of contract and be able to put them over a barrel and for all we know that may be GWS's philosophy. They do seem to be mighty keen to get everyone they rate to extend their contracts ASAP, so for all we know they may believe in the "extend your contract now, or we'll trade you while we can get our best return and have more leverage" way of thinking.

If what Robbo supposedly said on AFL 360 recently is true (that GWS offered Cameron a $7mil contract over 6 years, or whatever he said it was) and that was GWS's best and final offer and Cameron has rejected it and told them that he definitely wants out, then I can definitely understand why they might just want to trade him now and move on, especially if he's happy to go to a club that has a really high pick, like we are likely to. We all know how much GWS love their really high picks. There is now a fair chance that it will be pick 1 again, and that could be enough to get it done. Doubt very much that we'd need to sweeten that sort of deal with an Armo, unless there was something else extra coming back the other way.

Apart from the reasons I stated above and in a similar post along these lines recently, another reason it may pay them to do so is that it might make a Tom Boyd more inclined to extend his contract with them, if he feels more confident that there will be a spot open in their forward line for him once Cameron is gone. Ditto Tomlinson, Jaksch, McCarthy, etc.

Anyway, even though nothing is set in stone yet, it is still bloody exciting news as far as I'm concerned, as it sounds like we're a huge chance to get someone who could dominate in the AFL for 10 years to our club. As I think I said last night though, lots and lots of water to go under the bridge at this stage though, before any signatures are on any dotted lines and anything can happen in the meantime. Fingers and toes crossed though!

That's what makes this so hard to believe. Why would GWS already make a deal with us when Melbourne could have two draft picks ahead of us and would definitely be keen on him? Especially considering he is contracted and they don't have to trade him.

Again, no deal has been finalised, but to answer that question, what if Cameron has made it clear that he has no interest in going to Melbourne, who for instance at this stage don't have anyone lined up to coach them past 2016?

Just like how GWS have to agree to trade him for any deal to be done while he is contracted, he also has to agree to go to the club GWS want to trade him to, so if he is saying "no" to Melbourne, then they are not an option for GWS and for all we know GWS may have been talking to him and also other clubs for a while now, in case he does want to leave and we may be the club that works for both Jeremy and GWS, and it may alternatively just be that Melbourne would not be prepared to pay him as much as is necessary, or that they are not prepared to pay GWS as much in trade terms as we are.

For one thing, all the talk on the D&T board is that Melbourne and Roos want "mids, mids and more mids", so trading picks 2 and 3 or whatever for Cameron and paying him a boatload of money just may not float their boat, as hard as it may be for us to believe. Especially if they've just paid Hogan the rumoured $500K PA that he supposedly wanted in order to re-sign, on top of Dawes rumoured $500K PA salary. Again though, it may just be that Jeremy has told GWS that he is not interested in going to Melbourne, removing them as an option for GWS.

 

[Nutsngum]

Great post Aussie, thanks for the clarification. Do you have any idea of why Cameron would nominate us as opposed to the Dogs or even Melbourne? Both need a good forward etc..

Could it be the Riewoldt factor as well like how Patton regrets not having that opportunity?

 

[bird_man]

Thanks for clarifying that. The only thing I could not believe is that the deal had been done already. I'm glad to hear Cameron has chosen us and hopefully the club can work out a good deal. Losing last night would definitely help you would think.

 

[bird_man]

I will not be getting my hopes up until he has signed the papers though. Remember Mitch Clarke was pretty much a done deal to go to Freo before ending up at Melbourne.

 

[karaoke]

I will not be getting my hopes up until he has signed the papers though. Remember Mitch Clarke was pretty much a done deal to go to Freo before ending up at Melbourne.

Well, if the cards don't fall this way, we keep pick 1 & get the best kid.

 

[bird_man]

Well, if the cards don't fall this way, we keep pick 1 & get the best kid.

Definitely, win/win