List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Trade FA Megathread

[Defacto]

You may will be correct, but I just can't wrap my head around why Adelaide would trade down from 10 to 14 for little return. It is a big risk, unless you are 100% confident the player you want is still around. At pick 14 they run the risk that all of Marchbank, Goddard, Lever & Durdin are gone. Not likely, but certainly very possible.

If their target is Goddard, this was a very dumb trade. There is every chance he doesn't get past Geelong, and he probably won't get past Fremantle. If their target was Marchbank, I would understand more, but is still a big risk. He would have to get past Fremantle (need a full McPharlin replacement), West Coast (need a Glass replacement) & Richmond (probably less likely to take a tall). Still, it is highly plausible all 4 tall backs are gone by pick 14.

This trade has me really perplexed, they are either taking a massive risk their favoured tall back is still there, they are not shooting for one of the top 4 key backs, or they want McKenzie. Personally, if I had to guess I think it might be the latter. I think what Adelaide do with this pick has a huge bearing on who we end up with.

I agree the Adelaide move is just head scratching. I'm with you surely they weren't interested in Goddard. That pick downgrade is bizarre unless as you say they want a player seen as falling further down the draft

 

[Barrels]

And before Stan can jump on me, I'll admit my boy's numbers don't knock your sock off either:

Reece McKenzie: 10 games
Kicks: 7.8
Handballs: 5.3
Handball receives: 1.4
(Possessions: 13.1)
(Kicking eff: 61.5%, Handball eff: 77.3%)

Marks: 7
(Contested: 3.6)

Tackles: 1.4
Hitouts: 7.1
Goals: 3.5

And that was skewed by a 19 possession (15ks, 4hb), 13 mark (8 con.) and 10.4 against a weakened Eastern Ranges, and a 21 touch (12ks, 9hb), 12 mark (6 con.) and 7.5 game against the Northern Territory.

The differences were I suppose, that McKenzie played predominately key forward as opposed to rucking like Wright, that McKenzie's contested marking is certainly a feaure, and that he played in a much poorer side. Other than that, statistically, there's not much between them, so I think we all need to take a deep breath.

 

[Big Mart]

I think Reece has better fwd number.... Will be a better power fwd. Contested marking is something you have or not....
Reece may have weaknesses but he has sat tributes to make him as fine FF

Wright
More a fwd/ruck
Hale/Kosi/Petrie
I see him as a 14ppg 1.5gpg player

Reece not as much footy...perhaps a 10ppg but 2gpg key fwd.... Which is handy... That and being able to give a contest and bring the ball to ground will be important.

I'd taste him, yes.

 

[cartel]

I'd taste him, yes.

Thanks Bruce

 

[Defacto]

And before Stan can jump on me, I'll admit my boy's numbers don't knock your sock off either:

Reece McKenzie: 10 games
Kicks: 7.8
Handballs: 5.3
Handball receives: 1.4
(Possessions: 13.1)
(Kicking eff: 61.5%, Handball eff: 77.3%)

Marks: 7
(Contested: 3.6)

Tackles: 1.4
Hitouts: 7.1
Goals: 3.5

And that was skewed by a 19 possession (15ks, 4hb), 13 mark (8 con.)and 10.4 against a weakened Eastern Ranges, and a 21 touch (12ks, 9hb), 12 mark (6 con.) and 7.5 game against the Northern Territory.

The differences were I suppose, that McKenzie played predominately key forward as opposed to rucking like Wright, that McKenzie's contested marking is certainly a feaure, and that he played in a much poorer side. Other than that, statistically, there's not much between them, so I think we all need to take a deep breath.

he's shown enough to be taken before our 2nd and 3rd pick. just a question on if its adelaide, freo, essendon or carlton

 

[Barrels]

he's shown enough to be taken before our 2nd and 3rd pick. just a question on if its adelaide, freo, essendon or carlton

Hope not, but by God I'll have a fit if we pass on him...

IF he goes before 21/22 then I'll make one of them 'my boy'.

 

[busso_mick]

So, we have the term "a slider" for somebody who should have gone earlier. What's the term for somebody who everybody expected to go later: "an early"? "a riser"? "a needer of nasal spray"? What?

A Howard (the Brad variety)

 

[Barrels]

I think Reece has better fwd number.... Will be a better power fwd. Contested marking is something you have or not....
Reece may have weaknesses but he has sat tributes to make him as fine FF

Wright
More a fwd/ruck
Hale/Kosi/Petrie
I see him as a 14ppg 1.5gpg player

Reece not as much footy...perhaps a 10ppg but 2gpg key fwd.... Which is handy... That and being able to give a contest and bring the ball to ground will be important.

I'd taste him, yes.

Been at the races Mart?

Looking at his averages, if he ended up a 13 possession, 7 mark (50% con.), 3.5 goal a game full forward - for us - I think we'd all collectively lose our ****... That's an 80 goal a game spearhead.

The only blokes in the last 20yrs to prouduce 70+ goals in a season in a Saints guernsey were Riewoldt ('09), Gehrig ('04-'06), Heatley ('97), Loewe ('95).

I'm not expecting those kind of numbers if we snag him, but if he can get us 1.5 gpg (34.5), that is a great return for a young forward.

 

[Periphery]

The Adelaide trade makes perfect sense if they think the player they want will still be there at 14 OR the player they want will be gone by 10 and they think the players after that are fairly even.

 

[dewah07]

Think Fremantle will be interested in Goddard, Marchbank may be the last of the top KPDs (until McDonald) left at 14.

I wouldn't be Suprised if freo take anouther roughy rated outside the top 20 like last year and every other year. Tabaner was never tarted top20 last year, fyfe wasn't rated as high as he went etc..

 

[hayes]

The Adelaide trade makes perfect sense if they think the player they want will still be there at 14 OR the player they want will be gone by 10 and they think the players after that are fairly even.

I agree. Moving up from 47 to 35 is nothing to sneeze at either.

 

[God Save Max King]

So, we have the term "a slider" for somebody who should have gone earlier. What's the term for somebody who everybody expected to go later: "an early"? "a riser"? "a needer of nasal spray"? What?

I always though a 'bolter', although who knows how long recruiters have rated that 'bolter' in the top 5/10/20.

The Adelaide trade makes perfect sense if they think the player they want will still be there at 14 OR the player they want will be gone by 10 and they think the players after that are fairly even.

This draft is seriously even from 4-16. Great trade, unless Durdin goes at 13 (I'm assuming they rated him, being South Australian).

 

[Murraj1966]

So if we are to draft or trade for our next game changing forward in the coming years who does everyone think the club will be gunning for?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

So if we are to draft or trade for our next game changing forward in the coming years who does everyone think the club will be gunning for?

Just go for all of them.
Hawkins ,Roughead, Lynch, etc etc etc throw megabucks at all of them, promise them they're the only one.

 

[t_94]

So if we are to draft or trade for our next game changing forward in the coming years who does everyone think the club will be gunning for?

To be brutally honest, doubt we would attract an absolute gun in the foreseeable future i.e. Jeremy Cameron. Probably need to draft one. Looking to next years draft Burton and Schache seem to be the two front runners. Burton has a badly broken leg and I've not seen or heard much about Schache.

Anyone know what his draft range is like at theis very early stage or who you could compare him to as a player? is he a genuine a grade talent?

 

[God Save Max King]

To be brutally honest, doubt we would attract an absolute gun in the foreseeable future i.e. Jeremy Cameron. Probably need to draft one. Looking to next years draft Burton and Schache seem to be the two front runners. Burton has a badly broken leg and I've not seen or heard much about Schache.

Anyone know what his draft range is like at theis very early stage or who you could compare him to as a player? is he a genuine a grade talent?

He's a bit slow in the tests (20m), but gets out on a lead well, very good mark, very long and has a thumping left. We won't be an attractive destination for Jeremy Cameron, but I would offer him $10m over 8 years to come to the Saints. He is a beast. We will probably be picking at #1 or #2, so more likely to grab a midfielder like Darcy Parish (has everything except for size) or Rhys Mathieson (doesn't have a great contested/uncontested mix).

 

[t_94]

He's a bit slow in the tests (20m), but gets out on a lead well, very good mark, very long and has a thumping left. We won't be an attractive destination for Jeremy Cameron, but I would offer him $10m over 8 years to come to the Saints. He is a beast. We will probably be picking at #1 or #2, so more likely to grab a midfielder like Darcy Parish (has everything except for size) or Rhys Mathieson (doesn't have a great contested/uncontested mix).

thanks. Goes without saying that I would throw the kitchen sink at Jeremy Cameron also, think it will be between him and Jaeger O'Meara THE dominant player in the AFL. Just don't want to get the hopes up for something that in all likelihood won't happen.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

thanks. Goes without saying that I would throw the kitchen sink at Jeremy Cameron also, think it will be between him and Jaeger O'Meara THE dominant player in the AFL. Just don't want to get the hopes up for something that in all likelihood won't happen.

We would be nuts to target O Meara in the next couple of years.
It would be like Carlton targeting Judd in 2007.

 

[dewah07]

He's a bit slow in the tests (20m), but gets out on a lead well, very good mark, very long and has a thumping left. We won't be an attractive destination for Jeremy Cameron, but I would offer him $10m over 8 years to come to the Saints. He is a beast. We will probably be picking at #1 or #2, so more likely to grab a midfielder like Darcy Parish (has everything except for size) or Rhys Mathieson (doesn't have a great contested/uncontested mix).

Do you know if Cameron had any major injuires as a junior before he was picked up as a 17yo

 

[Murraj1966]

We would be nuts to target O Meara in the next couple of years.
It would be like Carlton targeting Judd in 2007.

Imagine Kennedy at Carlton they might have played in a prelim!

 

[Persevering Saint]

This was put on the Saints official site:

http://www.saints.com.au/video/2014-11-04/draft-profile-marvin-baynham-drafthub

It could be that we're taking another American international rookie - or it's because he talks up Holmes at the end of it.

 

[Defacto]

This was put on the Saints official site:

http://www.saints.com.au/video/2014-11-04/draft-profile-marvin-baynham-drafthub

It could be that we're taking another American international rookie - or it's because he talks up Holmes at the end of it.

i'm all for loading up on the international rookies

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Imagine Kennedy at Carlton they might have played in a prelim!

THey also traded a first ( pick 3 ) and second round pick.

 

[Mindtraveller]

This was put on the Saints official site:

http://www.saints.com.au/video/2014-11-04/draft-profile-marvin-baynham-drafthub

It could be that we're taking another American international rookie - or it's because he talks up Holmes at the end of it.

Maybe we're looking to expand with the second Melbourne based NBL franchise?

 

[12Chill]

I really liked Ryan Burton for next year, but sadly got injured. I'd try and go for Jeremy Cameron, throw big bucks at him. Wonder how far Burton will slide, won't play at all next year I don't think...

Also Tom Lynch from the GC is a local from Mornington I think, but he's probably happy at the Suns.

Cameron/Lynch/Schache/Burton a must next year.