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[Barrels]

What a load crap because someone has different opinion then you, you tell them to **** off How about you pull your head

TBF, and I love Joff, he's had a right tanty today...

 

[Mowman]

Big mistake to not select CP

Put simply, he was the best performed under ager in 2013 and the best performed u18 this year .... By some ways

Why would you overlook that?

It would be absolutely stupid.... However that article, looks like PR trying to soften the blow sand convince gullible supporters about the guy they want to take instead... Basically getting them ready for a shock! The fact it will be a shock says something though....

Melbourne would be beside themselves... As the eagles were in 2001...

Others who say, just put faith in our recruiters... They will get it right...
Must have missed our history of drafting....

Sometimes... If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks.... It's a DUCK!!!!
Just pick the best footballer

I think McCartin is fat... I think he is purely a lead up FF who has shown nothing further up the ground.

Great Post, pick best available 99.99 % of people have said that is
Petracca all year

 

[L_W_P]

What a load crap because someone has different opinion then you, you tell them to **** off How about you pull your head

Its not about opinion. An opinion would be - "I think Petracca is the better option because of A, B and C"

Talking about quitting on the club and burning down Seaford because the team decide to take the highest rated KPF in the draft is just pathetic.

 

[Big Mart]

Seriously...

Having seen them both.... I would argue that if CP was only ever plonked in the only position McCartin can play ... At FF

I would argue strongly that he would kick more goals....he is

As strong in the aerial contest, better on the ground, quicker...

But he can aslso play midfield and get 25 with a goal or two....

 

[dewah07]

Big mistake to not select CP

Put simply, he was the best performed under ager in 2013 and the best performed u18 this year .... By some ways

Why would you overlook that?

It would be absolutely stupid.... However that article, looks like PR trying to soften the blow sand convince gullible supporters about the guy they want to take instead... Basically getting them ready for a shock! The fact it will be a shock says something though....

Melbourne would be beside themselves... As the eagles were in 2001...

Others who say, just put faith in our recruiters... They will get it right...
Must have missed our history of drafting....

Sometimes... If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks.... It's a DUCK!!!!
Just pick the best footballer

I think McCartin is fat... I think he is purely a lead up FF who has shown nothing further up the ground.

Maybe because we are selecting a player for which we think will have the better career and not the player who had the best junior career?

 

[SK_MD_#7]

Supporters opinions > daylight > anything the Recruting flogs know.

#standbysupporters

 

[sixtosaint]

5 months ago I would have done backflips at the opportunity to draft Paddy.

He's a gun & will bring people through the gates to watch him knock blokes over & take contested grabs.

I still prefer CP but Paddy plus 2 gun mids does make more sense.

For all those upset at the possibility, consider Paddy being the 2nd coming of Jono Brown & CP having similar junior characteristics to Colin Sylvia. That might calm you down.

The faux outrage is disappointing though. Bordering on hysterical.

Losing all year and getting the number one pick, then the club saying they would trade it during trade week and making everyone nervous, then eventually keeping it I think everyone wanted to be rewarded. Knocking back 4 & 7 to keep it.

Looking at all the 'mock' drafts for the past 6 months Petracca being number one and scouts and recruiters agreeing. Then 3 days before the draft word that the Saints won't take best available is enough to annoy people I feel.

 

[sixtosaint]

Longer McCartin White
Bruce Riewoldt Lee

Are they serious?

 

[God Save Max King]

It's been a long, long, long thread, and it appears Joffaboy is the first to crack after pages and pages of posting. Just a question, Joffaboy, how many times have you seen these guys play? How many times have you interviewed them, or visited their families? How many times have you viewed their medical reports or spoken to their coaches, teachers, doctors, talent managers etc? No, I'm not saying you don't have a right to an opinion, that would be silly and unfair, but would you not accept that the opinion of the team of full-time, professional, well-paid recruiters would be more informed than your own? Also, I'd much, much rather we lose a few hundred members than make a decision that we don't believe in. The recruiters have earned the right the back themselves in.

On the Petracca vs McCartin argument, I have nothing more to say than everything that has been said in this thread, IMO if we are confident Petracca's hips are fine he is the best player in the draft, if not, it's a line-ball call. McCartin has played some exceptional football and is far and away the best pure forward in this draft at this point in time. He has shown real ability in his bottom-age year but his body didn't let him string it all together this year.

The real comment I want to make, is on McLure's point, that we were disappointed in Petracca's testing. Personally, yes, I was slightly disappointed, but CP was dealing with a hip injury and performed admirably considering the circumstances. The argument in itself is flawed, we could ask Nat Fyfe to take a clean hands test right now, of course he would perform poorly, he can barely move his shoulder! His testing in the AIS was very, very good, not Angus Brayshaw level but impressive nonetheless. How could you possibly judge a player on his injury-hit testing numbers?

 

[Joffaboy]

**** off then.

Go jump on the Port/GC/GWS/Dogs bandwagon and you can spend your time fapping over all their amazing draft picks.

What are you going to do IF we draft McCartin? Heckle and abuse him for not being a midfielder?

What if in 4 years time McCartin turns out to be a Tex Walker power forward or a Jarryd Roughead sharpshooter?

Just be honest mate - You're scared. You are shit scared that McCartin fails and we dont win that elusive flag and that's totally ok.

Just dont turn that fear into misguided anger towards a teenager that our talent scouts (who have a great record so far) MIGHT deem the best in the land.

Dont know who you are to tell a Saints supporter to **** off just because they dont slavishly endorse everyhing this club does.

I will critisise them if I feel fit. And I will say what I want, you are not the moderators, I am entitled to say that picking McCartin is a stupid decision made by fools if I see fit.

And I have NEVER heckled or abused any of our players. I will support McCartin, of course I would and I resent your ignorant inference.

And dont tell me to be honest, you may be some type of hysteric, but I am not shit scared of anything. I will just be disappointed as I usually am with this club that continues to fail.

You may well never want to see a flag and continue to embrace mediocrity, thats your prerogative, but I would like to see our club win a flag,, and I would like to see us win it in the next 5 or so years.

So before you tell Saints supporters who have supported the club for nearly 50 year to **** off, have a bit of a think and show a bit of respect, if you are capable of doing that.

 

[Barrels]

Longer McCartin White
Bruce Riewoldt Lee

Are they serious?

- Bruce should be a CHB IMO.
- Longer would never be on a flank, and isn't great as a fwd anyway.
- Lee is hanging onto an AFL career by a thread.
- White is still very raw.

 

[sixtosaint]

Imagine how pumped we will all be if we get Petracca now.....

 

[Murraj1966]

All I can feel right now regarding McCartin is this:



**Ah he's not so bad, but still... I was prepared for Petracca.

 

[Barrels]

Imagine how pumped we will all be if we get Petracca now.....

Maybe it's all part of the plan...

 

[God Save Max King]

So somebody tell me about Darcy Parish??? Good midfielder???

On pure football ability, I'd take him over Petracca, but he doesn't have the same athleticism. Darcy Tucker will be better than Darcy Parish IMHO, he's just waiting to explode, terrific athlete and footballer.

 

[sixtosaint]

- Bruce should be a CHB IMO.
- Longer would never be on a flank, and isn't great as a fwd anyway.
- Lee is hanging onto an AFL career by a thread.
- White is still very raw.

Sorry I meant Longer in FP

On the Other Hand

Billings White Templeton
Membrey Riewoldt Bruce

Acres Steven Newnes
R - Hickey, Petracca, Dunstan

 

[Defacto]

YEAH GO BIG ****EN PADDY MCCARTIN **** THAT PETRACCA SPUD

BIG SPENCAAAAAAAAAAAAA AND PADDYYYYYYYYY TO **** TEAMS RIGHT UP THE ASS.

might be time for a valium mate

 

[Barrels]

might be time for a valium mate

Lobotomy.

 

[Dopey BJ]

Dont know who you are to tell a Saints supporter to **** off just because they dont slavishly endorse everyhing this club does.

I will critisise them if I feel fit. And I will say what I want, you are not the moderators, I am entitled to say that picking McCartin is a stupid decision made by fools if I see fit.

And I have NEVER heckled or abused any of our players. I will support McCartin, of course I would and I resent your ignorant inference.

And dont tell me to be honest, you may be some type of hysteric, but I am not shit scared of anything. I will just be disappointed as I usually am with this club that continues to fail.

You may well never want to see a flag and continue to embrace mediocrity, thats your prerogative, but I would like to see our club win a flag,, and I would like to see us win it in the next 5 or so years.

So before you tell Saints supporters who have supported the club for nearly 50 year to **** off, have a bit of a think and show a bit of respect, if you are capable of doing that.

Like the respect you show others I guess, look in the mirror

 

[L_W_P]

We may still go with Petracca and we should all be fine with that.

Those who think McCartin would be a terrible pick should do this: Come up with a forward 6 for 2020 that you think can win a flag.

2 rules though - You cant use players from other clubs and you can't assume we get Reece McKenzie at 21.

Just our current list with Petracca.

Sure you can point to the midfield as being weaker but here is where drafting McCartin has a benefit - We still get 2 very good mids at 21 and 22.

You cant use McKenzie in scenario A because he is the only other KPF being talked about. We have to assume he wont make it to our pick.

We can use all sorts of mids though. Any 2 of Garlett, Lamb, Ahern, Weller, Cockatoo, Duggan, ANB, Blakley...

While not as good as Petracca outright, they can provide enough to get the ball going into our forward line where McCartin waits.

So try it. Build a forward line and midfield around Petracca plus 2 mids vs McCartin plus 2 mids.

Unless we can get say with 100% certainty that we will get one of McKenzie or Cameron then there is a logical reason to lean towards McCartin in what most people seem to think is a 50/50 choice.

 

[Flandersss]

Maybe it's all part of the plan...

I would feel more like this:

 

[TN25]

On the Petracca vs McCartin argument, I have nothing more to say than everything that has been said in this thread, IMO if we are confident Petracca's hips are fine he is the best player in the draft, if not, it's a line-ball call. McCartin has played some exceptional football and is far and away the best pure forward in this draft at this point in time. He has shown real ability in his bottom-age year but his body didn't let him string it all together this year.

What about McCartin's diabetes?

 

[SK_MD_#7]

might be time for a valium mate

Lobotomy.

Stop being absolute peanuts.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Losing all year and getting the number one pick, then the club saying they would trade it during trade week and making everyone nervous, then eventually keeping it I think everyone wanted to be rewarded. Knocking back 4 & 7 to keep it.

Looking at all the 'mock' drafts for the past 6 months Petracca being number one and scouts and recruiters agreeing. Then 3 days before the draft word that the Saints won't take best available is enough to annoy people I feel.

Except that the club said none of that.

And McCartin won't be available at 4.

And it's the opinion of a some supporters who have never seen watched either player live as to who is the best available.

I might be blind to the incompetence of Trout but I'll back his judgment over the hysterical whailings of a group of supporters.

I still hope we take Petracca by the way

 

[Big Mart]

Just proved my point dewah07

Picking on a belief, or a prediction... Over an obvious, given evidence...

We can only use the past as a predictor, as that's what we have to go on...

Likelihood is that in the end, the best player will come from somewhere else in the draft... Like Nate Fyfe did...

But stats over the last 10 years suggest, the higher the number the better the junior, and the higher the number the odds of success increases

So I'll go with Ockhams Razor thanks

Pick the best junior, who In turn is MOST LIKELY to be the best senior