List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Trade FA Megathread

[ike2112]

The NFL is a much more cut-throat market. There's virtually no teams who'd persist with a Koschitzke or Siposs type who just never meets their full potential, particularly if seriously injured during their prime years.

But my point is/was, the AFL's heading that way.

The NFL in early-mid 80s was exactly the way the AFL is right now. Ten years later, club loyalty was more or less gone, and so player loyalty went likewise.
A handful of events were the final shove towards what they have now. Remember for example John Elway basically refusing to play for the club that drafted him?
I certainly prefer the loyalty that the AFL has. I also think it prolongs careers, because people aren't scrapped and dumped so often. If Rhys Stanley for example was an NFL player he'd probably be on his 3rd club and last chance right now, if he's lucky.

The AFL is actually better structured than the NFL for developing players. By 2016 every AFL club will have a reserves.
I can see kids going through a year like Jaeger O'Meara becoming the norm; get drafted, play in the reserves for a year (or more). End of 3 years it's decision time; keep 'em or FA 'em.

Right now AFL players stay in the system for longer, hence low-round draft picks have very low value as most clubs only need to bring in 2-3 youngsters each year to keep their list ticking over. Soon there'll be more of a need to replenish the list, as I can see it becoming more common for people to just get cut loose if they don't make it in the first 3 years, or even if they join the club but don't turn out as hoped, say like Dawes for example.
Imagine Geelong letting Podsiadly go because they think he's on a downward slope... then offering a big contract to John J Kennedy because he's a FA. That could be the sort of thing you see in future.

 

[Barrels]

From Sandringham's webstie after Saturday...

Development Team

Frankston 0.2 2.7 5.11 15.15 (105)
Sandringham 3.3 3.4 8.8 10.8 (68)

Goals: White 5, Weickhardt 1, Ritchie 1, Kreymborg 1, Fallon 1, Cumming 1
Best: McTaggart, Milera, Kreymborg, Fallon, Wilson, Verma

'My Boy'... Get on it Trout!!

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

One team has offered Fyfe 1.1 mil a year, I am thinking that it would be GWS but it could very much be us offering that.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

One team has offered Fyfe 1.1 mil a year, I am thinking that it would be GWS but it could very much be us offering that.

I hope not, its a lot of cash, and in a couple of years time Billings or Mark worth could be a better player.
We would seriously be jumping the gun.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

I hope not, its a lot of cash, and in a couple of years time Billings or Mark worth could be a better player.
We would seriously be jumping the gun.

And we would have to give up a heap to get him through a trade.

 

[hayes]

Why would GWS even do it. They've got a superstar midfield coming through, but hey if they want to tie up that much money in one player then that just leaves more who are prime for picking.

 

[Sunshine Saint]

More likely a team that has a premiership window shortening and is desperate for extra staff for a shot at a flag. Richmond, Carlton and North Melbourne would be starters there.

Or it be Essendon who are stocking up on players, as courtesy of ASADA they will soon have openings for a number of positions.

 

[God Save Max King]

My man from last year Hugh Beasly was named Vice-Captain of the Oakleigh Chargers. Hope a big year is in store, he will have his hands full with all these KPFs this year. Wanted him to be drafted last year, hope he puts his hands up for a spot on a rookie list this year.

 

[Barrels]

My man from last year Hugh Beasly was named Vice-Captain of the Oakleigh Chargers. Hope a big year is in store, he will have his hands full with all these KPFs this year. Wanted him to be drafted last year, hope he puts his hands up for a spot on a rookie list this year.

Any chance he's grown Big R?

 

[Defacto]

And we would have to give up a heap to get him through a trade.

and we'd break him with all of the opposition attention before we got started

 

[God Save Max King]

Any chance he's grown Big R?

Has looked bigger than 191cm (IIRC, that was what he was listed as last season) for a while and there's every chance he's grown since then. Could have been tested for height at TAC Cup Fitness day, but I can't seem to find squad height/weight yet. Answer should be known by 1st TAC Cup games this weekend.

 

[Barrels]

Has looked bigger than 191cm (IIRC, that was what he was listed as last season) for a while and there's every chance he's grown since then. Could have been tested for height at TAC Cup Fitness day, but I can't seem to find squad height/weight yet. Answer should be known by 1st TAC Cup games this weekend.

195cm+?

Loved the look of him last year, Simpkin's mongrel with pace and (possibly) a few more crucial cms. Would be a great option at FB as we go forward.

FB: Webster - Beasley - Roberton
HB: Murdoch - Bruce - Wright
CR: Savage - Dunstan - Newnes
RK: Hickey - Steven - Weller
HF: Markworth - White - Curren
FF: Billings - Wright - Longer
INT (from): Saunders - Ross - Armitage - Stanley - Siposs - Templeton - Acres - Lee.
Em: Pierce - Minchington - Shenton - Simpkin - Dunell - Holmes - McTaggert*

It's starting to look better...

*(I'm going to be on this ALL year! )

 

[Half Back Pocket]

195cm+?

Loved the look of him last year, Simpkin's mongrel with pace and (possibly) a few more crucial cms. Would be a great option at FB as we go forward.

FB: Webster - Beasley - Roberton
HB: Murdoch - Bruce - Wright
CR: Savage - Dunstan - Newnes
RK: Hickey - Steven - Weller
HF: Markworth - White - Curren
FF: Billings - Wright - Longer
INT (from): Saunders - Ross - Armitage - Stanley - Siposs - Templeton - Acres - Lee.
Em: Pierce - Minchington - Shenton - Simpkin - Dunell - Holmes - McTaggert*

It's starting to look better...

*(I'm going to be on this ALL year! )

Shenton - Simpkin - Dunell - would all want to have pretty good years IMO.

I can see another 8-9-10 changes to the list at years end.

 

[Ian Dunross]

Shenton - Simpkin - Dunell - would all want to have pretty good years IMO.

I can see another 8-9-10 changes to the list at years end.

This.

I imagine (and hope) that Bains and co are planning on bringing in another 6-7 guys this year and the year after. Those guys you mention will never be competent AFL players. Simpkin could cut is as a depth player who only plays when massive injuries but that's it. Add to that list arguably Milera and that's 4 guys who need to go plus the possible retirees in Fisher, Schneider and Hayes (although here's hoping he goes around once more).

 

[cooperrules]

Shenton - Simpkin - Dunell - would all want to have pretty good years IMO.

I can see another 8-9-10 changes to the list at years end.

You can add tdl milera jones fisher schnied to tgat list.

 

[Barrels]

Love Tommy Simpkin, as I've said, but suffers a bit from being a 70's footballer in a modern game; seems like he's too small for KPD and not quick enough to play 'small' like Sean Dempster.

Like above, I see Rahul's boy Beasley as a Simpkin upgrade. Dunell and Shenton gone unless something magic happens IMO (and for them I hope it does). I'd dearly like to see a 198-200cm monster power forward brought in at the end of the year, whether ready-made or someone like Wright. We've needed a forward line monster to strike fear into defenders since the G-Train...

 

[L_W_P]

Where do all you experts rate Adam Tomlinson when compared to the top end of this years draft?

Thinking we could try and get him for our 2nd rounder (about pick 20) and then use our first pick to reach a little for
Brayshaw.

 

[Barrels]

Where do all you experts rate Adam Tomlinson when compared to the top end of this years draft?

Thinking we could try and get him for our 2nd rounder (about pick 20) and then use our first pick to reach a little for
Brayshaw.

Love the optimism big fella, but not one single chance he'll go 2nd rounder. For one, he's contracted to 2015. Two, he was a pick #9 two drafts ago and they've put 26 games into him, and three, he's a very versatile player; 193cm 92kg players who can clunk a contested grab AND run blokes off their feet are not common, see Riewoldt, N....

Think we'll have to choose between best KPP prospect and Brayshaw personally, and we all know where my heart lies on that one...

 

[Periphery]

GWS players that are currently out of contract at the end of 2014:
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/gws-players-contract-status.1008964/

Jono O'Rourke
Lachie Plowman
Kristian Jaksch
Josh Hunt
James Stewart
Stephen Gilham
Mark Whiley
Tom Downie
Dylan Addison

Suns players currently out of contract at the end of 2014:
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/current-contract-status.943215/

Zac Smith
Tim Sumner
Alex Sexton
Karmichael Hunt
Luke Russell
Harley Bennell
Matthew Warnock
Steven May
Jeremy Taylor
Tom Nicholls
Danny Stanley
Tom Murphy
Jackson Allen
Brandon Matera
Jack Hutchins
Michael Rischitelli
Greg Broughton
Nathan Bock

Clearly a lot of those guys will re-sign during the year, but we should keep an eye out for any players that aren't getting as much opportunity as they should and go after them. The big names will cost too much to get and we will get better value from players looking for more game time.

 

[Barrels]

GWS players that are currently out of contract at the end of 2014:
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/gws-players-contract-status.1008964/

Jono O'Rourke
Lachie Plowman
Kristian Jaksch
Josh Hunt
James Stewart - think he could be something, and not sure he'll get a whole lot of game time
Stephen Gilham
Mark Whiley
Tom Downie
Dylan Addison

Suns players currently out of contract at the end of 2014:
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/current-contract-status.943215/

Zac Smith
Tim Sumner
Alex Sexton
Karmichael Hunt
Luke Russell
Harley Bennell
Matthew Warnock
Steven May
Jeremy Taylor
Tom Nicholls
Danny Stanley
Tom Murphy
Jackson Allen
Brandon Matera
Jack Hutchins
Michael Rischitelli
Greg Broughton
Nathan Bock

Clearly a lot of those guys will re-sign during the year, but we should keep an eye out for any players that aren't getting as much opportunity as they should and go after them. The big names will cost too much to get and we will get better value from players looking for more game time.

 

[Persevering Saint]

Fact is, we were the first team (I'm pretty sure) to poach a player from GC, and that guy is about to become our number 1 ruck (and strike fear into all those who stare at my avatar for too long...). We were the first team (I'm pretty sure) to rookie list one of their delisted players, and I'm pretty confident he'll become an essential part of our midfield when upgraded. We were the first team to trade for a GWS player, and especially for a sub-30 pick - and that player looks like he could be our main tall defender for the foreseeable future. Throw in that we got a packet of nice stuff in pre-selection trades with GWS (Lee, Ross, Saad, Milera - notwithstanding unforeseen circumstances that dull the gloss there), and we have done alright already off the expansion teams.

Bains, Trout and the Pelican are clearly looking at the expansion teams as an opportunity to exploit, rather than just a crisis to overcome.

 

[blktreacle]

how long till we can get one of General Patton, Cameron or Boyd as a FA?

 

[Persevering Saint]

how long till we can get one of General Patton, Cameron and Boyd as a FA?

Fixed that for ya.

 

[Rors]

Suns players currently out of contract at the end of 2014:
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/current-contract-status.943215/

Zac Smith
Tim Sumner
Alex Sexton
Karmichael Hunt
Luke Russell
Harley Bennell
Matthew Warnock
Steven May
Jeremy Taylor
Tom Nicholls
Danny Stanley
Tom Murphy
Jackson Allen
Brandon Matera
Jack Hutchins
Michael Rischitelli
Greg Broughton
Nathan Bock

Clearly a lot of those guys will re-sign during the year, but we should keep an eye out for any players that aren't getting as much opportunity as they should and go after them. The big names will cost too much to get and we will get better value from players looking for more game time.

The only blokes from that GC list I'd have would be Harley Bennell & Steven May....

 

[stkildathunda]

After watching Tommy Langdon play for Pies Friday Night I bloody hope our recruiters dont make the same mistake and overlook James Munro this year.. He will be better then Langdon.. We should have both on our list already IMO