List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Trade FA Megathread

[felsty]

The Dees had pick 2 last year not pick 1.

Ah yes, sorry I knew it was something along those lines.

Regardless this is what happened last year, and what we have been saying this year..

Pick 1 > Boyd and Pick 3 / Pick 3 and Pick 20 / Jacksch, Pick 3 and Pick 20

Pick 2, 20 and 79 > Tyson, Pick 9 and Pick 53

Do people not think we are placing too much value on Pick 1, just looking at that?

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Hawthorn have back 2 back winners in the liston trophy..

Last year Mitch Hallahan this year Alex Woodward!

 

[Barrels]

Good for Woodward; did an absolutely awful knee.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Ah yes, sorry I knew it was something along those lines.

Regardless this is what happened last year, and what we have been saying this year..

Pick 1 > Boyd and Pick 3 / Pick 3 and Pick 20 / Jacksch, Pick 3 and Pick 20

Pick 2, 20 and 79 > Tyson, Pick 9 and Pick 53

Do people not think we are placing too much value on Pick 1, just looking at that?

Yes some people are placing too much value on pick 1. I read some say Cameron and pick 3 or Boyd and pick 3. Hilarious stuff.

 

[Periphery]

Ah yes, sorry I knew it was something along those lines.

Regardless this is what happened last year, and what we have been saying this year..

Pick 1 > Boyd and Pick 3 / Pick 3 and Pick 20 / Jacksch, Pick 3 and Pick 20

Pick 2, 20 and 79 > Tyson, Pick 9 and Pick 53

Do people not think we are placing too much value on Pick 1, just looking at that?

There is no way we will get a pick 1 for Boyd/Cameron/Shiel/Anyone good and pick 3 type deal. So I do agree that if people think that is a realistic value then they are overvaluing it.

Personally I think that 1 and 38 for 3, 20, 23 is probably the best we can hope for. Even 1 for 3 & 20 would be reasonable assuming we still get the player we wanted with 1 at 3 (McCartin).

 

[Munga]

http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/academy
http://www.giantsacademy.com.au/
http://www.lions.com.au/season-2014/players/academy
http://www.goldcoastfc.com.au/academy

But why? Why are they allowed to have first choice guarenteed? Why has the AFL given the clubs ANOTHER leg up?

 

[felsty]

There is no way we will get a pick 1 for Boyd/Cameron/Shiel/Anyone good and pick 3 type deal. So I do agree that if people think that is a realistic value then they are overvaluing it.

Personally I think that 1 and 38 for 3, 20, 23 is probably the best we can hope for. Even 1 for 3 & 20 would be reasonable assuming we still get the player we wanted with 1 at 3 (McCartin).

See I agree with the bolder however there is no way GWS will part with both there end of first round and their second round, even they want to keep low picks for top talent.

But then part of me thinks they will get something close to that for Jacksch or ORourke and may be a bit lenient about something like that slide.

Maybe 1, 21, 38, 56 for 3, 20, 23 and 40.. Think of it this way.

1 > 3
21 > 20
38 > 23
56 > 40

Some quite big jumps later on in the draft, but is that enough? Pelchen will want to keep Pick 21

 

[okeydoke7]

But why? Why are they allowed to have first choice guarenteed? Why has the AFL given the clubs ANOTHER leg up?

To develop the game. The AFL's job is to look at the broader picture. From a Saints perspective, I agree that it is a pain to see successful clubs getting great talent for a small price. But these academies are designed to grow the game and talent bases in these areas.

With expansion leading to 18 clubs, the talent pool is decidedly diluted. Growing the game in the northern states means that we need more talent to be developed in the northern states. Why would the aforementioned clubs waste precious resources developing the game and talent if there was no incentive? By extension, it can actually help us. If these clubs develop enough talent through academies and select them, it leaves other players in the draft pool (standard Vic, SA and WA talent).

This is a rare situation where a club finishing first (Syd) come across a potential top 3 pick and won't have to pay much to get him. I agree, that's bloody annoying. But I understand the purpose of this "leg up" as it is a leg up for the game as much as the individual clubs.

 

[Periphery]

See I agree with the bolder however there is no way GWS will part with both there end of first round and their second round, even they want to keep low picks for top talent.

But then part of me thinks they will get something close to that for Jacksch or ORourke and may be a bit lenient about something like that slide.

Maybe 1, 21, 38, 56 for 3, 20, 23 and 40.. Think of it this way.

1 > 3
21 > 20
38 > 23
56 > 40

Some quite big jumps later on in the draft, but is that enough? Pelchen will want to keep Pick 21

Yeah, GWS might want to use one of their picks in the 20's in a trade with Jaksch/JOR. That deal looks good, but I'm not sure if they will have their 3rd due to an academy selection. GWS could easily end up with 1-2 more top 15 picks if they wanted to keep spreading the age of their list so I don't know how much they will value those picks in the 20's. It's going to be an interesting trade period.

 

[Determinant]

To develop the game. The AFL's job is to look at the broader picture. From a Saints perspective, I agree that it is a pain to see successful clubs getting great talent for a small price. But these academies are designed to grow the game and talent bases in these areas.

With expansion leading to 18 clubs, the talent pool is decidedly diluted. Growing the game in the northern states means that we need more talent to be developed in the northern states. Why would the aforementioned clubs waste precious resources developing the game and talent if there was no incentive? By extension, it can actually help us. If these clubs develop enough talent through academies and select them, it leaves other players in the draft pool (standard Vic, SA and WA talent).

This is a rare situation where a club finishing first (Syd) come across a potential top 3 pick and won't have to pay much to get him. I agree, that's bloody annoying. But I understand the purpose of this "leg up" as it is a leg up for the game as much as the individual clubs.

100% correct.
It's important for all as successful, or at least competitive interstate teams have a massive inflationary effect on the tv rights deal.

 

[Periphery]

Why doesn't the AFL directly handle the academies instead of farming them out to clubs who then get an advantage? They could achieve the same thing without the complications.

 

[hayes]

Why doesn't the AFL directly handle the academies instead of farming them out to clubs who then get an advantage? They could achieve the same thing without the complications.

You're missing the number 1 priority and that's to help Sydney in any way possible.

 

[Determinant]

Why doesn't the AFL directly handle the academies instead of farming them out to clubs who then get an advantage? They could achieve the same thing without the complications.

It seems a better plan..
In this world that probably means no hope

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

I wonder what drugs Carlton flogs are seriously on?

St Kilda would laugh so hard if they even suggested that complete shit.

It's an alleged trade that was floated before Patton did his knee.

Carlton lose Casboult, Garlett, pick 5/6
Gain Tom Boyd

St Kilda lose pick 1
Gain Casboult + pick 5/6

GWS lose Tom Boyd
Gain Garlett + pick 1

When queried further, the talk was that most picks 1 through to 7 are pretty evenly thought of by club recruiters this year, with a bit of a drop off to pick 8.

 

[hayes]

Such a delusional bunch. Frightening some of the stuff they come up with.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Look who retweeted it.

 

[_Maximus_12]

Look who retweeted it.
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In that case, welcome to Seaford, Alex.

 

[hayes]

Speaking of Hawthorn are we still into Ryan Kelly?

 

[IanW]

Why doesn't the AFL directly handle the academies instead of farming them out to clubs who then get an advantage? They could achieve the same thing without the complications.

Have some ancient history - note the dateline.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-10-29/afl-academies-aimed-at-luring-talent/1121872

I'd be happy with a tweak that you can get a F/s pick or an Academy pick, but not both, and if any other club wants to set up shop in a non-traditional AFL area with their own academy, then good luck to them.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Speaking of Hawthorn are we still into Ryan Kelly?

Jordan you mean?

I heard at the time it was mentioned that we weren't but dewah07 mentioned it so he might have an update.

 

[Periphery]

Have some ancient history - note the dateline.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-10-29/afl-academies-aimed-at-luring-talent/1121872

I'd be happy with a tweak that you can get a F/s pick or an Academy pick, but not both, and if any other club wants to set up shop in a non-traditional AFL area with their own academy, then good luck to them.

I understand and support the idea behind it and get that the AFL has to compete with other sports, but why don't the AFL just do it directly? Set up and official AFL academy in NSW, QLD and NT and then use them to develop players and increase the player base for everyone without giving priority to any club. It achieves all the goals of the current system without any of the issues.

The obvious answer is $$$: It is much cheaper for the AFL to have someone else pay for and do the dirty work for them. But the AFL already gives money to developing the game at lower levels so why not just continue that pathway all the way to the top level? I 'd be really interested to see how much the 4 academies cost the clubs because I would hazard a guess and say that it isn't massive sums of money we are talking about.

 

[hayes]

Jordan you mean?

I heard at the time it was mentioned that we weren't but dewah07 mentioned it so he might have an update.

I don't know where I got Ryan from..

 

[dewah07]

Quality by ameet and quality sandy kid aswell.

Yep I got told Jordan Kelly like 2-3 months ago. Never really followed it up because the person isn't someone I see that much. But a quality source

 

[_Maximus_12]

I don't know where I got Ryan from..

Absolute gimp for the Lakers. (If you follow NBA)

 

[VDS66]

You're missing the number 1 priority and that's to help Sydney in any way possible.

Sad but true. The only way for the AFL to thrive is to get a foothold into Rugby dominated states and converting fans to the code... and to do this you need successful clubs.

Funny how we hate NSW clubs and NSW people hate Melb Storm.