List Mgmt. 2014 Draft

[apuchar]

I saw this too...i understand how he could say that Geelong is heavy with alot of big men.....but how are we heavy?!?

5 rucks only 2 can play
As for the others it probably doesn't take into consideration that two of those tall's probably won't be playing after this year. that will lighten things off a fair bit. Having said that I think we need to recruit run in this draft.

 

[jerms]

That vision of Pickett makes him ideal for the budgies, unfortunately

Wouldn't be surprised if GC or Geelong gets to him first...

 

[counting bodies like sheep]

We're definitely remembering different players. My clear memory of Clancee starting in the team was him rolling out wormburners on just about every kick. He eased up a little after that, as he was either mis-timing or mis-directing a few... or they just went straight past the receiver's hands.

Even his longer kicks are flat. Crowley is the master of the floating punt. PearceD is the master of the flourbag.

Clancee is a rubbish kick.... Ok rubbish may be a bit harsh, but he certainly isn't good, has the lofty flourbag spin... Kicking definitely isn't a strength of his anyway

 

[apuchar]

Clancee is a rubbish kick.... Ok rubbish may be a bit harsh, but he certainly isn't good, has the lofty flourbag spin... Kicking definitely isn't a strength of his anyway

Interesting. that is the only reason I would have him in the team, is because of his elite long kicking to a target

 

[Agenfrida]

We're definitely remembering different players. My clear memory of Clancee starting in the team was him rolling out wormburners on just about every kick. He eased up a little after that, as he was either mis-timing or mis-directing a few... or they just went straight past the receiver's hands.

Even his longer kicks are flat. Crowley is the master of the floating punt. PearceD is the master of the flourbag.

Haha, I guess we are seeing different guys. I remember a lot of Clancees' kicks having that arc on them, and his longer kicks being really high flourbag type kicks. Hits his targets alot of the time, but I can't recall any wormburners. Not that I'm saying he doesn't or can't, I just don't remember him as that type of kick.

 

[jerms]

Clancee is a rubbish kick.... Ok rubbish may be a bit harsh, but he certainly isn't good, has the lofty flourbag spin... Kicking definitely isn't a strength of his anyway

You realise Clancee was top four in the entire league (for players with 150+ disposals) for disposal efficiency in 2013, right? Rubbish indeed.

 

[ilikepotatoes]

Clancee = Hurn without the hype.

 

[Nickos66]

Interesting. that is the only reason I would have him in the team, is because of his elite long kicking to a target

Shooban.

 

[apuchar]

Shooban.

gotta get it before you can kick it.

 

[jerms]

Clancee is a rubbish kick.... Ok rubbish may be a bit harsh, but he certainly isn't good, has the lofty flourbag spin... Kicking definitely isn't a strength of his anyway

Alternatively expressed, Freo 2013 disposal efficiency:

Clancee 82.6%
Zac 82.6% (if handballing into danger is considered ‘efficient’)
Spurr 81.7%
MJ 81.0%
Elvis 79.3%
Clarke 78.8%
Sherro 78.0%
Mayney 77.6%
Hill 76.9%
Croz 76.0%
Duff 75.2%
SCOS 75.0%
Subes 73.6%
Sutty 71.3%
Crowls 69.7%
Sonny 69.1%
MDB 66.8%
Barlow 66.7%
Mundy 66.5%
PearceD 65.9%
Fyfe (!) 63.6% (improved to 69.6% in 2014)
Kep 62.7%
Griff 58.4%
Ballas 55.4%

 

[Kram]

You realise Clancee was top four in the entire league (for players with 150+ disposals) for disposal efficiency in 2013, right? Rubbish indeed.

I don't think Clancee is a bad kick but DE is a pretty meaningless stat.

 

[jerms]

I don't think Clancee is a bad kick but DE is a pretty meaningless stat.

The minutiae of it is meaningless, but it works great illustrating the difference between the Pearces when Clancee is at 82.6% and Danyle is 65.9%...

Plenty of fair criticisms of Clancee - his kicking ain't one, and DE is about the only objective measure around to illustrate that.

 

[TheMcManusNose]

Didn't someone post a few months ago a bit of a study into Clanger rates for all our player the last couple of years? End result was that Clancee pretty much the most efficient kicker in the team?

I'm not sure which player people are watching if they're suggesting Clancee kicks a lot of flour bags. The other Pearce maybe? His kicking is his strength.

I don't think Clancee is a bad kick but DE is a pretty meaningless stat.

Like every statistic, it is very useful if used in the correct context. For DE, a comparison of players playing similar roles.

 

[Paracleet]

It's fine not to like Clancee as a player. We've all allowed opinions, but to suggest he kicks flourbags is not a different view, it's simply wrong. He is a long, powerful and flat kick of the footy. If he wasn't I dont think he would have lasted this long in the system given his moderate height and lack of speed and agility.

 

[eastfreo75]

Alternatively expressed, Freo 2013 disposal efficiency:

Clancee 82.6%
Zac 82.6% (if handballing into danger is considered ‘efficient’)
Spurr 81.7%
MJ 81.0%
Elvis 79.3%
Clarke 78.8%
Sherro 78.0%
Mayney 77.6%
Hill 76.9%
Croz 76.0%
Duff 75.2%
SCOS 75.0%
Subes 73.6%
Sutty 71.3%
Crowls 69.7%
Sonny 69.1%
MDB 66.8%
Barlow 66.7%
Mundy 66.5%
PearceD 65.9%
Fyfe (!) 63.6% (improved to 69.6% in 2014)
Kep 62.7%
Griff 58.4%
Ballas 55.4%

Notice the backline having a higher %. Chipping around is easy to do compared to from a stoppage or forward 50 entry. Love to work on formula that weight certain kicks more.

 

[Eski3]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-06-14/the-kicking-kings

This is from last season. If you scroll down to 'The All-Rounders', it says that based on their way of measuring kicks under pressure etc, Clancee was the second best kick in the entire league behind Shannon Hurn

I don't think he's the second best kick in the league, especially not after this year, but statistically he is unarguably a very good kick of the football

 

[Taylor]

See if the disposal efficiency stat correlates to meters gained.
Sideways kicks to McPharlin in 40m of space don't need to be close to hit the target.

 

[jerms]

See if the disposal efficiency stat correlates to meters gained.
Sideways kicks to McPharlin in 40m of space don't need to be close to hit the target.

I'll try to get to that later tonight - eastfreo75's modeling idea sounds like a good time-killer!

 

[UFO Tatsu]

i would of thought that you would need to be pretty skillful to kick flourbags

 

[apuchar]

Think Clancee's clangers would be linked more to poor decision- making than poor disposal

 

[Silent Alarm]

Clanger a shit kick? Really? Hits them about 40 metres, low and hard, straight to a chest tall or short. Beautiful kick. His issue is just not involving himself enough and having a few issues with finding space and making decisions.

Definitely don't delist and rookie Simpson. That'll be shocking for his confidence and worse for his development. As someone else said, better off doing it to Smith – who's reportedly nothing special, just tall.

 

[Taylor]

Clancee is also a bit short, by about 3 inches.

 

[jerms]

Clancee is also a bit short, by about 3 inches.

That's what she said.

 

[apuchar]

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Clanger a shit kick? Really? Hits them about 40 metres, low and hard, straight to a chest tall or short. Beautiful kick. His issue is just not involving himself enough and having a few issues with finding space and making decisions.

Definitely don't delist and rookie Simpson. That'll be shocking for his confidence and worse for his development. As someone else said, better off doing it to Smith – who's reportedly nothing special, just tall.

S
o Tanner who has done the right thing all along should have his confidence dented so an undisciplined player doesn't have his confidence dented. We don't know if Tanner is nothing special. He hasn't played enough for us to judge.
Wonder if we would have the guts to delist and pick up McPharlin?

 

[Agenfrida]

Didn't someone post a few months ago a bit of a study into Clanger rates for all our player the last couple of years? End result was that Clancee pretty much the most efficient kicker in the team?

I'm not sure which player people are watching if they're suggesting Clancee kicks a lot of flour bags.

I originally made the claim in this thread so let me clarify what I meant. It seems people think FB automatically means inaccurate. You can kick flourbags and still be accurate. What I mean by flower bags is that up and down arc the ball travels from boot to recieving player, almost as if the ball is rolling up a hill and down again. As opposed to some players who can deliver those long straight low passes. Clancee, as I stated, generally hits the target (said the same thing about pickett) but has a flourbag kicking style. Especially when he's kicking long. I don't ever recall seeing Clancee kicking a long flat pass, but do remember long 'up and down' type kicks. Still hitting the target, but the ball travels in an arc, not in a straight line.