Draft Review 2014 - Redo the 2014 AFL Draft

[Virgin Dog]

I’m all for having an opinion but you’ve gotta cop some flak if your list is that far off the mark

That far off YOUR mark. These lists are 100% subjective and come down to personal opinion. You are welcome to yours, and I'm welcome to mine (although the way some of you lot have responded, apparently not)

 

[Haychh]

That far off 99% OF THE POPULATION’S mark. These lists are 100% subjective and come down to personal opinion. You are welcome to yours, and I'm welcome to mine (although the way some of you lot have responded, apparently not)

FTFY



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[Wild Bill]

I rate Duggan and Weller higher than Petracca, it was as simple as that. And Lambert made the All Australian squad this year, and was easily one of Richmond's best and least recognized players for 2018, so for him I put him there on performance.

Honestly, probably would have been better if I made two lists - 1 for actual output, and 1 for speculating. Instead I combined them and have people going nuts at me for daring to have a different opinion

So Lever making the AA squad in 2017 doesn’t rate? He has to be in front of Cordy if your using AA squad as a measure.

 

[Virgin Dog]

FTFY



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Could you show me your statistics? Or are you one of those people who thinks "I think this way, and so do my like minded friends, so it must be 99% of the population"

By that logic, all redrafts should be identical to draft order since that's how the list managers and a lot of phantom drafters would have basically rated the players

 

[Virgin Dog]

So Lever making the AA squad in 2017 doesn’t rate? He has to be in front of Cordy if your using AA squad as a measure.

It does, but the other bloke only mentioned Lambert's age, and nothing else, implying he's basically achieved nothing. Cordy played as a premiership CHF, does that not mean anything?

I rated Lever lower knowing he's done an ACL in 2018, which makes him prone to further injury in future and casts doubt on whether he returns to his best. If it weren't for the injury last year, I would have had him much higher (probably top 3 or 4). The entire point of these lists is that we're given the benefit of hindsight, so I might as well use that and consider the ACL injury.

 

[Haychh]

Could you show me your statistics? Or are you one of those people who thinks "I think this way, and so do my like minded friends, so it must be 99% of the population"

By that logic, all redrafts should be identical to draft order since that's how the list managers and a lot of phantom drafters would have basically rated the players

If you hadn’t noticed it’s not just me and likeminded friends on here.... I already gave you a stat earlier about Dougal Howard who you obviously don’t rate.

What stats of Zaine Cordy do you have for us?

 

[Ocha905]

I've read too much Zaine Cordy today

 

[Wild Bill]

It does, but the other bloke only mentioned Lambert's age, and nothing else, implying he's basically achieved nothing. Cordy played as a premiership CHF, does that not mean anything?

I rated Lever lower knowing he's done an ACL in 2018, which makes him prone to further injury in future and casts doubt on whether he returns to his best. If it weren't for the injury last year, I would have had him much higher (probably top 3 or 4). The entire point of these lists is that we're given the benefit of hindsight, so I might as well use that and consider the ACL injury.

Not really - Cordy took 1 mark and had 11 touches playing at CHF.

If he tore the game apart it might help his ranking. Lots of very ordinary players have premiership medals.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Think I'd still rather Lever as a double amputee than Cordy tbh

 

[Ambrosia]

Let's not get carried away Cordy is in no way a bad prospect.

 

[Donakebab]

Let's not get carried away Cordy is in no way a bad prospect.

And yet it's still an absolute no brainer picking Petracca ahead of him both on performance to date and potential development down the track, even if we factor in the past ACL and any subsequent risk of re-occurrence.

 

[Ambrosia]

And yet it's still an absolute no brainer picking Petracca ahead of him both on performance to date and potential development down the track, even if we factor in the past ACL and any subsequent risk of re-occurrence.

Yeah he's not in my top 15 maybe even not 20 but he's definitely a reasonable player

 

[Pykie]

If we are only going on statistical output in their early days, Sam Powell-Pepper will be the best of the 2016 draft, and should be easily top 3 in all re-drafts, because he had a better first year. Except in reality, all of Witherden, Logue, Venables, Marshall, English, Hayward, Darcy, Ratugolea, Young, Rioli, Graham, Ryan and Waterman could end up better players, but just take longer to hit their stride.

Some players take longer to peak, and others provide value outside of the usual "kick ball to team mate and through the big sticks". Duggan is rated as a potential future captain at West Coast, while Weller has proven to be very quick and agile which is a trait I rate extremely high in the modern game (probably higher than most would). I understand why some might rate Petracca higher, but I don't mainly for the reasons I listed.

Yes, but it's not really early days is it? I was quoting 2018, not 2015. This draft class is almost half way through their careers and are entering their 5th years in the league.

As a 20 & 1 player already, Petracca only really needs a mild improvement in his numbers as a fwd/mid and he's close to the AA squad.

 

[Milanista28]

Reckon Laverde will ever justify his top 20 selection?

 

[Virgin Dog]

Not really - Cordy took 1 mark and had 11 touches playing at CHF.

If he tore the game apart it might help his ranking. Lots of very ordinary players have premiership medals.

Cordy played as a defensive forward. He was there to tackle and apply pressure in general. He

Yes, but it's not really early days is it? I was quoting 2018, not 2015. This draft class is almost half way through their careers and are entering their 5th years in the league.

As a 20 & 1 player already, Petracca only really needs a mild improvement in his numbers as a fwd/mid and he's close to the AA squad.

They're not even close to halfway though, most of these guys are 22, which is maybe a third of the way through.

In the case of key position players, very few hit elite status before the age of 23/24, so a lot of the KPFs and KPDs can't be written off for at least another couple of years.

 

[Ambrosia]

Cordy played as a defensive forward. He was there to tackle and apply pressure in general. He

That role doesn't really ring true with premiership CHF.

 

[Ambrosia]

Reckon Laverde will ever justify his top 20 selection?

We'd settle for him making it as a consistent AFL footballer at this stage.

 

[Wild Bill]

Cordy played as a defensive forward. He was there to tackle and apply pressure in general. He

They're not even close to halfway though, most of these guys are 22, which is maybe a third of the way through.

In the case of key position players, very few hit elite status before the age of 23/24, so a lot of the KPFs and KPDs can't be written off for at least another couple of years.

Only Stringer was rated lower from the Dogs in the grand final player ratings.

I wouldn’t use the grand final to boost his rating to top 5. It’s your opinion but my option is you have over rated him - and by a considerable margin.

 

[Wild Bill]

Reckon Laverde will ever justify his top 20 selection?

If he can become injury free it would be easier to judge.

He is not best 22 at ess. Who’s spot is he most likely to take?

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

If he can become injury free it would be easier to judge.

He is not best 22 at ess. Who’s spot is he most likely to take?

Unless we go back to playing three tall forwards, he's best 22. If not him then Begley.

 

[Virgin Dog]

Only Stringer was rated lower from the Dogs in the grand final player ratings.

I wouldn’t use the grand final to boost his rating to top 5. It’s your opinion but my option is you have over rated him - and by a considerable margin.

The grand final wasn't my reason for rating him high, I only mentioned that as one of his accolades. If this was end of 2016, Cordy would barely be in my top 20. His ranking, in my view, has risen considerably this season

 

[Apex36]

It does, but the other bloke only mentioned Lambert's age, and nothing else, implying he's basically achieved nothing. Cordy played as a premiership CHF, does that not mean anything?

Given the amount of absolute potatoes who’ve become premiership players over the years, I’d say it means absolutely nothing in terms of rating his individual performance to date.

 

[Love the Drake]

JDG has everything except for leadership and maturity which is why I have Harris Andrews just ahead of him.

Toss of the coin between heeney, petacca, Mclean and brayshaw.

Lever and McGovern both can be game breakers.

1-Andrews
2-DeGoey
3-Heeney
4-Brayshaw
5-Lever
6-McLean
7-Petracca
8-McGovern
9- Lambert
10-McKenna




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[00Stinger]

Yes, but it's not really early days is it? I was quoting 2018, not 2015. This draft class is almost half way through their careers and are entering their 5th years in the league.

As a 20 & 1 player already, Petracca only really needs a mild improvement in his numbers as a fwd/mid and he's close to the AA squad.

yet according to many on BF he is a hack

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[Ambrosia]

JDG has everything except for leadership and maturity which is why I have Harris Andrews just ahead of him.

Toss of the coin between heeney, petacca, Mclean and brayshaw.

Lever and McGovern both can be game breakers.

1-Andrews
2-DeGoey
3-Heeney
4-Brayshaw
5-Lever
6-McLean
7-Petracca
8-McGovern
9- Lambert
10-McKenna

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Good to see an opposition supporter rate McKenna. Maybe not quite top 10 on performance but has tremendous upside imo