List Mgmt. 2014: The List

[BM123]

So did we hear anything about any re-signings tonight?

 

[Azul]

If Kreuze is "resurrected" would have no problem with Wood as back up, given that (pinch hitters) Casboult and Rowe now seem certain to be retained. We could draft (rookie or trade) a young ruck and shop RW around. We have to have an eye to the future. Warnock just seems comfortable doing just enough to retain his spot and lucrative pay packet, rather than being the best he can possibly be. If he raised his intensity, I would happily revise this opinion. (perhaps we do need to elevate Wood to make RW more "honest")

I dunno why you place so much faith in Cameron Wood. He was never a first choice ruckman at Collingwood (Fraser/Jolly) and slipped further down the pecking order behind part-timers such as Dawes and Brown.

Relying on Kreuzer at this point is akin to trading Mark Porter all over again - we know how that turned out.

 

[etsal1]

Because we have....

Armfield and Lucas???

Strong depth right there...

highly skilled too

 

[BM123]

Best news is Jeffy is plastered and acting like Fev at crown.

Pretty disappointing if true....

 

[Azul]

Because we have....

Armfield and Lucas???

Strong depth right there...

Simpson, Yarran, Walker, Everitt, Thomas, Docherty.

We need skilled players who can run out 4 quarters, certainly.

 

[BM123]

Simpson, Yarran, Walker, Everitt, Thomas, Docherty.

We need skilled players who can run out 4 quarters, certainly.

I'm talking about the likes of Danyle Pearce, Stephen Hill, Isaac Smith here. Someone who can generate enough run and carry for four full quarters since we get held up far too often and Thomas is still building.

 

[BM123]

And it's no surprise to anyone that we have been torn a new one by the three named above in recent times as well.

 

[Superstar swan]

Sorry to intrude but I was jut wondering what the contract status of garlett is ?? And if you think he would be availible to clubs for the right offer?

 

[Juddalenko]

Sorry to intrude but I was jut wondering what the contract status of garlett is ?? And if you think he would be availible to clubs for the right offer?

Yup. Straight swap for Tom Mitchell.

 

[Superstar swan]

Yup. Straight swap for Tom Mitchell.

I was thinking more along the lines of one of our kids like towers and maybe a pick lol

 

[LordLucifer]

Sorry to intrude but I was jut wondering what the contract status of garlett is ?? And if you think he would be availible to clubs for the right offer?

He is certainly available subject to price !!

Start your offers now ............

 

[Azul]

I'm talking about the likes of Danyle Pearce, Stephen Hill, Isaac Smith here. Someone who can generate enough run and carry for four full quarters since we get held up far too often and Thomas is still building.

Fair enough. That was the plan with (a) Lucas and (b) Bootsma.

 

[LordLucifer]

Because we have....

Armfield and Lucas???

Strong depth right there...

I have just re-read my comments from last night and probably should clarify further.

As far as outside runners are concerned, we may have a need for them down the track but they are a low priority for us right now.

Instead of worrying about a player type that are virtually 'dime a dozen', we must focus on the main deficiencies that are holding us back right now. The ruck division is in need of some panel-beating, our key position talent (and depth) is on a precipice plus we certainly need to top up on quality grunt midfielders.

If & when we have all those on the list, only then would I be chasing a couple of quick running seagull types.

 

[Coona Blues]

I'm talking about the likes of Danyle Pearce, Stephen Hill, Isaac Smith here. Someone who can generate enough run and carry for four full quarters since we get held up far too often and Thomas is still building.

It is fair to say that Hawks and Dockers have adopted a model relying on a myriad of uncompromising players with great disposal efficiency and incorporate a couple of speed merchants for the run and carry. The Hawks are advantaged by a bit of extra run (not so much speed) from half back.

The model we are closer to is that of Port Adelaide with speed all over the park, perhaps bar the last line. Boak, Hartlett, Wines, Gray, Ebert and friends are all good athletes but not pure speed merchants. Fair to say White and Mitchell could be argued to be closer to the mark. Port also rely on team offence as much as team defence. While Schulz and Westhoff can both take a grab they do not constitute your traditional key forward pairing. They also do not rely on a resting ruckman as part of their forward structure. They have mid sized forwards who pretty much command attention in the air. They do not have the traditional small forward.

 

[LordLucifer]

It is fair to say that Hawks and Dockers have adopted a model relying on a myriad of uncompromising players with great disposal efficiency and incorporate a couple of speed merchants for the run and carry. The Hawks are advantaged by a bit of extra run (not so much speed) from half back.

The model we are closer to is that of Port Adelaide with speed all over the park, perhaps bar the last line. Boak, Hartlett, Wines, Gray, Ebert and friends are all good athletes but not pure speed merchants. Fair to say White and Mitchell could be argued to be closer to the mark. Port also rely on team offence as much as team defence. While Schulz and Westhoff can both take a grab they do not constitute your traditional key forward pairing. They also do not rely on a resting ruckman as part of their forward structure. They have mid sized forwards who pretty much command attention in the air. They do not have the traditional small forward.

Good synopsis.

 

[happydude]

The only thing about the port model of fast paced game plan is it still hasn't been tested at length in finals series.

We played similar to their style with a worse list in 2011 and they obviously did it last year but we haven't progressed to the preliminary finals.

Finals footy is a more desperate brand of footy so it will be interesting to see if it holds up, I have no reason to believe it won't but it's still untested.


The team offence aspect is the real good aspect for me as we have seen a lot of teams go for team defence and this will make individual players more responsible for their direct opponents again. If it becomes the latest trend we will see teams of mediocre defenders that rely on the team defence get found out.


I know Geelong had a sort of team offence for a while but it wasn't the same sort of spread they still relied on a few to convert

 

[etsal1]

Sorry to intrude but I was jut wondering what the contract status of garlett is ?? And if you think he would be availible to clubs for the right offer?

He won't be going to NSW I can tell you that.

 

[LordLucifer]

He won't be going to NSW I can tell you that.

If the Swans were prepared to trade Gary Rohan and a third rounder, Jeffy Garlett would be looking at real estate around Redfern & Surry Hills very shortly.

 

[happydude]

If we get a good offer and he is contracted it doesn't matter what he wants.

Ever player has a price.

 

[etsal1]

If the Swans were prepared to trade Gary Rohan and a third rounder, Jeffy Garlett would be looking at real estate around Redfern & Surry Hills very shortly.

Do you not understand that Jeffy has a day in where he goes as an UNCONTRACTED player?

If it was otherwise Docherty would be a Dogs player right now.

 

[Superstar swan]

If the Swans were prepared to trade Gary Rohan and a third rounder, Jeffy Garlett would be looking at real estate around Redfern & Surry Hills very shortly.

The swans just signed rohan for a further 3 years and is highly rated at the club.

IMO the most likely offer the swans would put up would be something like towers and a pick

 

[Omega Blue]

package Warnock and Garlett for something better?

 

[Superstar swan]

package Warnock and Garlett for something better?

With pyke , derickx, Naismith, nankervis and Mitchell ( international project) on the list I doubt the club would be looking for another ruck

 

[etsal1]

Jeffy aint going to NSW.

 

[Omega Blue]

With pyke , derickx, Naismith, nankervis and Mitchell ( international project) on the list I doubt the club would be looking for another ruck

True but Warnock would have quality over those selections.
I think the future of trading is in win win trades and a club has to deal honestly as a business would to have future success at the trade table (avoid burning bridges) Curiously how did you feel about the Everitt trade last year? I felt at the time we paid unders for him but considering your cap issues due to the buddy recruitment I understood it.