List Mgmt. 2015 AFL Draft - what type of players should we be looking at & who do we take? (Poll added)

[Soapy V]

With the addition of Weitering, and with Rowe, Sheehan and Bryne sitting in the twos our defence has ok depth. We'd probably like another KPD prospect in time but there's something there at least.

Our midfield is bare bones thin. It relies on injury prone mids like Thomas, players with no inside game like Simmo, and taggers like Curnow and Kerridge when the game is moving away from taggers. We're so bare bones in the midfield that Dick (or God forbid Tutt) gets a game in the best 22. Any injuries and it's back to Cripps and Murph doing all the heavy lifting by themselves once again.

Our forward line is a disgrace. Walker is done. Casboult is adequate. Lamb has failed at two clubs. And Everitt is a third tall flanker.

We need mids and forward types. If I was a fan of drafting for needs I would suggest that were in desperate need of mids and forwards that could have a reasonable impact within the next two or three years.

good comments. im starting to think the same way. i don't mind our defence and would like to see it perform with a better midfield. our midfield is okay but lacks real class. cripps is a star in the making, murphy & gibbs are very good without being damaging. if they can be the 4-5th on ballers we look good. i like docherty as a mid and if plowman can play there we are even better. graham & curnow are good players but are workers more than game breakers. we need top level players more than depth now. add 3 of francis curnow balic burton oliver & milera and we look a lot better but still a way off.
im not concerned about the forward line as others are. i watch hawthorn a lot and its the way they move it and deliver it that makes them better than others. theyve been a lot better since they got rid of franklin. roughhead & schoenmakers spend a lot of time up the ground allowing gunston bruest & rioli room to move. the ruckman tends to drop back to the square allowing for a long kick when under pressure. with jaksch gorringe everitt walker smith thomas casboult rowe lamb kruezer phillips we can do something similar.
i just think we need to win the ball and use it better to make a big difference. i trust boltons game style and ability to get the best out of players to help in so many areas

 

[no passengers]

Two things i'd like to stress while reading this reply. 1, maybe this is not the right forum to talk about drink driving and p plate drivers and 2. I don't ever use any form of forum or social media to make a personal attack on anyone. So please read that my views are on your comments not your person.
I was a P plate driver 20yrs ago, zero tolerence alcohol. Never once did i feel discriminated against for not being able to drink and drive. I still remember the first time i jumped in the car with a load of mates and no parents, i had to fake confidence even though i grew up in a driving family. Hell i was in the era when at five id sit on my dads lap and steer the car around our country property.
If you need to talk about equality then you should say that P platers should do the equal amount of time on restrictions as everyone before them has. It a little akin to paying a first year apprentice a qualified wage and getting them to build your house, equality does not equal quality and experience to deal with situations. Everyone needs a safe learning enviroment, that includes other drivers and people crossing the street.

As someone who has a very real and personal experience of loosing multipuls of what you hold most dear to you in life to an alcohol effected P plate driver i find your comments ignorant and a pethetic form of view, i take it you are young.

Indiginous Australians is a poor bow to string in comparison. Please think before you type.

Forgetting family connections i have with the mighty CFC, most would never understand how strong and supportive the club was to a family rocked, and still is.

Back on the topic of Curnow, everyone makes dum mistakes!! We could have ended up with Carlisle!!

Agree 100%. POTW

 

[Tony Lynn 15]

To get in the spirit of things I am thinking of throwing a themed draft party. Plenty of draft talk, draft beer on tap, I will leave all doors and windows slightly ajar and have a lucky door prize courtesy of the Australian army...who is in??

 

[ParapMarkets]

Realistically, how are we going to land Tomlinson? I just don't know what we'll have to give if they turned down pick 11 this year.

Yeah I'm with you on that. Tomlinsone still has 2 years left on his contract......I Think?
I would have loved to get him to Carlton but I think that horse may have bolted

 

[ParapMarkets]

I like Burton at 8. Crows then baulk on Curnow . And would likely pick up Milera. We would have the next live pick for Curnow.

Weitering, Burton, Curnow and SOSOS kind takes care of our key stocks. They can all very mobile and can kick the footy

We would then have pick 19 and next years picks for high quality mids

Yeah, I like that. If our medics are happy with Burton I would be happy to see this

 

[DejaBlue]

I'm leaving Melbourne on Tuesday to drive to Perth.. Any chance I could catch the draft in Adelaide ? Is it open to public ?

 

[HARKER]

I'm leaving Melbourne on Tuesday to drive to Perth.. Any chance I could catch the draft in Adelaide ? Is it open to public ?

Try but I think it's sold out.

 

[Omega Blue]

I think pick11 only didn't get tolminson because they already traded in lots of second and third rounders to cover there academy boys

 

[GoBlues!]

I think pick11 only didn't get tolminson because they already traded in lots of second and third rounders to cover there academy boys

I think GWS would have found it difficult to trade a contracted player in Tomlinson, and tell McCarthy he can't be traded to Freo on the basis he was still under contract.

 

[Das2Blue]

Tomlinson is gone from our thinking now...if he steps up and becomes the top player for GWS they will make us pay heavily for him , if he flounders at GWS this coming season why would we want him...dont think he will ever wear our colours in combat

 

[Coona Blues]

Analysis paralysis here.....two weeks ago was sure I had this sussed out, two talls, two mids and SOSOS.
The closer we get the more confusing. So many possible combinations.

Terrified of Burton's injury issues, but gee is an impressive kid. Combine footage decent etc.
Thought Oliver was the go to partner Crippa, but the more I see, the more I think he may not find the
next step against mature bodies quite so easy.
Milera sees himself as a forward, not a mid, is slight and in "highlights" showed evasion, but a tendency
to run himself in to trouble getting back on his right leg.....don't want.
Didn't like skinny H.McKay, but the prospect of an imposing(3 years) and athletic target is growing on me.
Francis could be a star or a relative bust (average player) as has been allowed to do his own thing, needs
to learn discipline on field to play his role at a higher level.
Curnow has sh1t loads of ability and the right genes to be a beast up front or in the guts. Suspect the environment
he moves in to will be critical. Needs some motivation and mentoring to realise his potential. Not as driven as some
of his peers. I am confident Ed and Bolts would be a great mix to bring out the best in him.
Can't warm to Weideman at all ....... don't want, although reportedly SOS rates him highly.
Love Gresham as a bankable mid, may not be the absolute best in the draft, but the one I see as 150 game plus quality contributer. A great piece for the rebuild.
I was against Collins as did not believe it was sensible to outlay two high picks on KPD, but am now happy that
Weitering could play at either end so is not locked as a defender. Likely 10 year FB.
If the draft fell the right way would not be against B. McKay at #19 (Weitering, Burton/Curnow/Francis, Gresham)
Cunningham or Partington may be the fall back at #19 if we gamble (and lose) on Gresham getting there.
Lovell, midget, but hell stats and combine impressive. Hibberd a shot if he can become more mid than HBF.
I had Clarke pencilled in after seeing him against WA first time, but a little underwhelmed since.
Parish won't get to us. I don't rate Balic and Mathieson as high first rounders. Ah Chee and Bonner both good
players, but don't suit our needs as much as others.

Pick four out of that (OK 3 after JW).................................Clear as mud.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Can the draft just hurry the he'll up. Maybe for the month after trades, l afl clubs choose two players each day eg Monday picks 1 and 2, Tuesday picks 3 and 4 until completed. The expectations would be exciting to say the least. And the club with the next picks gets 24 hours to decide.

 

[Coona Blues]

Tomlinson is gone from our thinking now...if he steps up and becomes the top player for GWS they will make us pay heavily for him , if he flounders at GWS this coming season why would we want him...dont think he will ever wear our colours in combat

Not quite so cut and dry. GWS have Cameron, Patton, McCarthy and Stewart all showing good signs. The look like playing two ruckmen as well. Tomlinson is a victim of his versatility. Going to be less spots for him on a wing etc with them adding Hopper and Kennedy to their developing mids (Ahern not even had a game yet). Agree that we may have found other options in two years, but can see there would be an opportunity when he is out of contract if we can't shake him loose next year (price tag may drop too).

 

[Dramoth]

G'day lads, just finished a bit of a pre-draft/season preview for Carlton, thought you might like a read.
I would love some constructive feedback if at all possible
Cheers,
BPB <3
http://footydraft.org/2015/11/20/carlton-list-and-draft-preview/

You left out SOSOS...

 

[Tony Lynn 15]

Can the draft just hurry the he'll up. Maybe for the month after trades, l afl clubs choose two players each day eg Monday picks 1 and 2, Tuesday picks 3 and 4 until completed. The expectations would be exciting to say the least. And the club with the next picks gets 24 hours to decide.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Paige Caradona's latest work has us taking
1. Weitering
8. Oliver
10. Mathieson (yuck - over Gresham, Bonner, Hibberd, Clarke)
18. Burton

Not bad besides the Mathieson pick - has Curnow at #3 to the Dees and H.McKay to GC

 

[Dramoth]

I like this. On the presumption that next year we have a real crack for that CHF in Tomlinson and grab a top-flight mid at the top-end.

I think that next year, SOS might end up doing a deal with GWS where we trade our first round pick for their first round pick and Tomlinson... and/or maybe the Geebungs first rounder that we traded to them this year!

 

[bigdog43]

I think that next year, SOS might end up doing a deal with GWS where we trade our first round pick for their first round pick and Tomlinson... and/or maybe the Geebungs first rounder that we traded to them this year!

Realistically, that pick of ours is probably pick 1 though..

 

[Aphrodite]

Paige Caradona's latest work has us taking
1. Weitering
8. Oliver
10. Mathieson (yuck - over Gresham, Bonner, Hibberd, Clarke)
18. Burton

Not bad besides the Mathieson pick - has Curnow at #3 to the Dees and H.McKay to GC

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Knew you'd say this

 

[Dramoth]

Analysis paralysis here.....two weeks ago was sure I had this sussed out, two talls, two mids and SOSOS.
The closer we get the more confusing. So many possible combinations.

Terrified of Burton's injury issues, but gee is an impressive kid. Combine footage decent etc.
Thought Oliver was the go to partner Crippa, but the more I see, the more I think he may not find the
next step against mature bodies quite so easy.
Milera sees himself as a forward, not a mid, is slight and in "highlights" showed evasion, but a tendency
to run himself in to trouble getting back on his right leg.....don't want.
Didn't like skinny H.McKay, but the prospect of an imposing(3 years) and athletic target is growing on me.
Francis could be a star or a relative bust (average player) as has been allowed to do his own thing, needs
to learn discipline on field to play his role at a higher level.
Curnow has sh1t loads of ability and the right genes to be a beast up front or in the guts. Suspect the environment
he moves in to will be critical. Needs some motivation and mentoring to realise his potential. Not as driven as some
of his peers. I am confident Ed and Bolts would be a great mix to bring out the best in him.
Can't warm to Weideman at all ....... don't want, although reportedly SOS rates him highly.
Love Gresham as a bankable mid, may not be the absolute best in the draft, but the one I see as 150 game plus quality contributer. A great piece for the rebuild.
I was against Collins as did not believe it was sensible to outlay two high picks on KPD, but am now happy that
Weitering could play at either end so is not locked as a defender. Likely 10 year FB.
If the draft fell the right way would not be against B. McKay at #19 (Weitering, Burton/Curnow/Francis, Gresham)
Cunningham or Partington may be the fall back at #19 if we gamble (and lose) on Gresham getting there.
Lovell, midget, but hell stats and combine impressive. Hibberd a shot if he can become more mid than HBF.
I had Clarke pencilled in after seeing him against WA first time, but a little underwhelmed since.
Parish won't get to us. I don't rate Balic and Mathieson as high first rounders. Ah Chee and Bonner both good
players, but don't suit our needs as much as others.

Pick four out of that (OK 3 after JW).................................Clear as mud.

I think that with Oliver, we would do what we did with Cripps... a year in the VFL getting used to playing against larger bodied players and over the course of the next 18 months, have him working with a running coach and spending a lot of time in the gym with Cripps. Then in the 2017 season, unleash him alongsides Cripps on the world.

I think that if Curnow slides to us, we would be remiss if we didnt grab him... but the only way I think that he would slide to pick 8 is if both Melbourne and Essendon* decided that they didnt want to take the risk of him doing something stupid again.

I still think that Harry McKay at 8, if one of Curnow or Oliver aren't available, would be a good grab. People might say that we are reaching a bit with him, but remember... Hawthorn reached for Roughead with a pick 2 priority pick in 2004.

 

[Soapy V]

Paige Caradona's latest work has us taking
1. Weitering
8. Oliver
10. Mathieson (yuck - over Gresham, Bonner, Hibberd, Clarke)
18. Burton

Not bad besides the Mathieson pick - has Curnow at #3 to the Dees and H.McKay to GC

whos paige caradona?

 

[Dramoth]

Realistically, that pick of ours is probably pick 1 though..

I don't think so... I am thinking that we would be more picks 2-4

Brisvegas was only just, by a very small margin, a better side than us last season and I don't think that they will radically improve overnight... whereas we should show a slight improvement with the new coaches, the new players and a much better attitude. It should be a slight improvement in our first year and then a demonstrable improvement in 2017.

If we finish with picks 2-4... and GWS finishes around 9th-7th on the ladder. That would be picks 10-12 with their first pick. And if the Geebungs slide slightly and finish in the region of 10th - 8th, we would be looking at their first round pick being anything from pick 9-11.

And if Freo comes in with their first round pick for McCarthy... and they slide down to around 5th - 4th on the ladder... picks 14-15.

Our pick in the region of 2-4 and our second round pick for GWS's first round pick and the pick that they get for McCarthy in addition to Tomlinson would get us two first round picks and our CHF of choice.

I would still do it if Freo and GWS finished 1st and 2nd on the ladder next year so long as Tomlinson was involved in the trade. And considering the depth of quality mids that are going to be in next years draft, 2 draft picks in the top 20 is better than 1 at the pointy end of the draft.

And if the club is planning on picking up Tomlinson next year, it would allow us to take 2 KPD this year and 1 good mid and a good utility forward.

 

[Dramoth]

whos paige caradona?

#aspiringjourno

 

[FlowersByIrene]

whos paige caradona?

Fancies herself as a free lance journalist - actually quite good when talking about the draft though, used to be a recruiter if i remember correctly