2015 Draft Discussion

[POBT]

Weller and Buzza two guys who hit very hard and defensively make a real difference.

Both with Rugby (League) backgrounds, I believe?

 

[Monterronaldo]

Just on Schache's reported lack of speed, I am reading the great J. Brown's autobiography and he mentioned always being told he wasn't quick enough to make it.

How much of a factor is Schache's speed to his effectiveness up forward?

 

[iBeng]

Speed can be overcome if the brain nows when and where to lead. How guys like Rockliff and Rich drill their inside 50s, all they need is a tall player to lead correctly.

Contested mark wise, speed shouldn't be a factor.

 

[Quigley]

Just on Schache's reported lack of speed, I am reading the great J. Brown's autobiography and he mentioned always being told he wasn't quick enough to make it.

How much of a factor is Schache's speed to his effectiveness up forward?

Much more important for a KPD but a lack of speed does make things harder for a forward and means the defender is always right with you. Brown had great endurance though and could work a defender over. Schache does not although he does have more size than Browny did.

 

[WA Lion]

Much more important for a KPD but a lack of speed does make things harder for a forward and means the defender is always right with you. Brown had great endurance though and could work a defender over. Schache does not although he does have more size than Browny did.

I thought Schache's endurance was quite good compared to others in his age bracket? (Relatively speaking of course when entering AFL level)

 

[M Malice]

I thought Schache's endurance was quite good compared to others in his age bracket? (Relatively speaking of course when entering AFL level)

yes. schache is renowned for his indurance. from memory think he had a beep test in the 14's.

 

[cotter101]

I thought Schache's endurance was quite good compared to others in his age bracket? (Relatively speaking of course when entering AFL level)

His running capacity is quite good. Needs to translate that into his game more consistently though. Something that will be quite easily done at the next level.

 

[snooplions]

Just an assumption, but I'd imagine Freeman and Schache would have a similar speed and Freeman's speed doesn't seem to hinder his game at all. Still finds separation, beats opponent one out quite a bit and goes well. Sounds like Schache is quite the upgrade on Freeman though if he's going top two in the draft.

 

[Eons]

His running capacity is quite good. Needs to translate that into his game more consistently though. Something that will be quite easily done at the next level.

From limited viewing Schache looks to have a lot of footy smarts. He's not just a big kid who beats up on his smaller opponents, he knows when and where to lead and is one of the most natural kicks of he footy I've seen for his size. Has a great action and just makes it look so easy. I could be way off the mark, only seen a few youtube videos.

 

[cotter101]

From limited viewing Schache looks to have a lot of footy smarts. He's not just a big kid who beats up on his smaller opponents, he knows when and where to lead and is one of the most natural kicks of he footy I've seen for his size. Has a great action and just makes it look so easy. I could be way off the mark, only seen a few youtube videos.

He is a smart player. There's some knowledgeable coaches down at his junior club the Seymour Lions and they done plenty of work in that area with him at a young age. I've been watching junior footy for a long time down and I'd say he is comfortably the best set shot kick at goal I've ever seen at that level and his leading patterns are certainly more advanced than most junior Key Forwards that have come through the ranks in recent years.

Pretty confident he'll become one of the better forwards in the competition and I'm confident that will be with us.

 

[Lace Out]

He's big,clever,sticky hands and knows where the big sticks are.Deal me in.

 

[Bert Man]

Speed is also something Schache can improve when he comes to the club, anf that definitely needs to be taken into account from those who are worried. I have had limited exposure to his games, I'm going off bigfooty reports, but based on that he's obviously a top end prospect. If speed is his only issue, one that can be improved, we should be very very happy with him.

 

[bhys16]

As many have said above, Schache's strengths will transition well into AFL. I have been watching a fair bit of his tape over the last week and what really stands out is his kicking.. not just at goal (which is a beautiful, efficient action) but his field kicking is elite for a big guy.. he will translate into a CHF imo due to his fitness and field kicking which is very reminiscent of Browny.

Also on kicking, I have just recently realized that along with Schache, both potential high end draftees are leftys as well, stoked, lefties for the win.

 

[bhys16]

The buildup to this draft is strange for a draftnut..
due to our position in the draft and academy prospects, there is really no speculation on who we will pick, only what we will have to pay for them. Most years there are dozens of prospects being linked to the club and argued over..

Even the way the season finished with the Doggies win and not having to subsequently choose between Weitering and Schache has taken the stress and hypothetical madness out of the equation.

not sure which is more fun, knowing who we will pick and becoming endeared to them or the nervous tension of who we will be bringing in. From a list building perspective this kind of draft is exactly what we need though.

 

[jjami15]

The buildup to this draft is strange for a draftnut..
due to our position in the draft and academy prospects, there is really no speculation on who we will pick, only what we will have to pay for them. Most years there are dozens of prospects being linked to the club and argued over..

Even the way the season finished with the Doggies win and not having to subsequently choose between Weitering and Schache has taken the stress and hypothetical madness out of the equation.

not sure which is more fun, knowing who we will pick and becoming endeared to them or the nervous tension of who we will be bringing in. From a list building perspective this kind of draft is exactly what we need though.

My thoughts exactly, previously I would have a short list of players who I would like and think would be around our picks. This year, I'm no less excited, just rolling through the motions and seeing where the bids on the academy boys will be. Due to already knowing our first three picks I have begun looking more to next years crop. Quite happy that it's a midfielders draft as after this year we shouldn't draft a KPP for a long time.

 

[SizeMatters]

What is Schache physicality like though? Always seems a bit soft from what I have seen... no point being a focal point if he won't put his body on the line, crash packs, engage defenders and just make opposition around him suffer. I think it is important in todays game to have these traits as he will be having 2 defenders hanging off him and a rolling zone covering his leading patterns... has to have more ways to get involved in a game.

 

[Panthera]

The buildup to this draft is strange for a draftnut..
due to our position in the draft and academy prospects, there is really no speculation on who we will pick, only what we will have to pay for them. Most years there are dozens of prospects being linked to the club and argued over..

Even the way the season finished with the Doggies win and not having to subsequently choose between Weitering and Schache has taken the stress and hypothetical madness out of the equation.

Not sure which is more fun, knowing who we will pick and becoming endeared to them or the nervous tension of who we will be bringing in. From a list building perspective this kind of draft is exactly what we need though.

With the academy points equation being new for all involved; I think the AFL community has missed that we'll likely land 3 x Top 15 picks in the upcoming draft. Can't remember the last time we had that.

All with minimal go home factor

Happy to head into draft night with the case being 99% that we walk away with Schache, Hipwood and Keays

Sure, we've lost a pick 4 in Leuenberger and a pick 7 in Aish (as well as Jack Redden) to get these three into the club, but all three had either been overtaken in their primary position or in James' case, never really bought into the club.

We've also brought in senior bodied replacements for two of them in Bell and Bastinac.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

The interest may come in if Keays and Hipwood are bid for a little later than anticipated, possibly giving us an earlier pick than thought. The question then becomes: Is there a non-academy kid we think is worth taking who we rank ahead of William, Chol or Wagner? Unlikely with the way points/picks are shunted to the end with first round bids. But if a bid for Keays slid into the 2nd round it might change things.

 

[carnthemlions]

He is a smart player. There's some knowledgeable coaches down at his junior club the Seymour Lions and they done plenty of work in that area with him at a young age. I've been watching junior footy for a long time down and I'd say he is comfortably the best set shot kick at goal I've ever seen at that level and his leading patterns are certainly more advanced than most junior Key Forwards that have come through the ranks in recent years.

Pretty confident he'll become one of the better forwards in the competition and I'm confident that will be with us.

How do you think he compares with Boyd?

What is Schache physicality like though? Always seems a bit soft from what I have seen... no point being a focal point if he won't put his body on the line, crash packs, engage defenders and just make opposition around him suffer. I think it is important in todays game to have these traits as he will be having 2 defenders hanging off him and a rolling zone covering his leading patterns... has to have more ways to get involved in a game.

I haven't seen a lot, but what I have seen was enough to suggest that you're probably wrong about him being a bit soft.

 

[jjami15]

How do you think he compares with Boyd?

I haven't seen a lot, but what I have seen was enough to suggest that you're probably wrong about him being a bit soft.

I remember seeing Boyd as an underager in the champs and he dominated back then but he stayed in the forward fifty and his marks where from being out in front in leads or too tall for his opponent. In Schache I see more variety to his game, better agility, better leading patterns and more up the ground (working his opponent over). I also think that he has better awareness of what is happening around him and choosing better viable options with better kicking skills. He has been likened to Tom Lynch and I think that it is a fairy accurate description.

 

[Jman78]

So not a lot of media re the prospective 4 & 5 positions on our list. So Schacke, Keays and Hipwood are locks (hopefully), my thinking is that will see some PSD action. Reason being is I would of expected a couple more articles on the Lions page.... thoughts?

 

[Quigley]

What is Schache physicality like though? Always seems a bit soft from what I have seen... no point being a focal point if he won't put his body on the line, crash packs, engage defenders and just make opposition around him suffer. I think it is important in todays game to have these traits as he will be having 2 defenders hanging off him and a rolling zone covering his leading patterns... has to have more ways to get involved in a game.

I have not seen any indication that he is soft. He is not a big pack crasher but he gets a lot of body on body work and he usually comes out in front.

On the comparison with Boyd I would see Boyd as the far better prospect at this stage. Boyd for me has been the best junior forward to come along in the last 10 years.

 

[SizeMatters]

I have not seen any indication that he is soft. He is not a big pack crasher but he gets a lot of body on body work and he usually comes out in front.

On the comparison with Boyd I would see Boyd as the far better prospect at this stage. Boyd for me has been the best junior forward to come along in the last 10 years.

Thanks. I just had some queries over his willingness to get physical. Will be interesting how he turns out in 5 years time.


On a side note... it's going to be hard for someone like Close especially with the inclusion of Walker and the rise of Freeman.

 

[M Malice]

The interest may come in if Keays and Hipwood are bid for a little later than anticipated, possibly giving us an earlier pick than thought. The question then becomes: Is there a non-academy kid we think is worth taking who we rank ahead of William, Chol or Wagner? Unlikely with the way points/picks are shunted to the end with first round bids. But if a bid for Keays slid into the 2nd round it might change things.

our first pick after schache at 2 is 38 at the moment, with most pundits saying this is a shallow draft would there be much worth taking at that pick? i would say there is no way hipwood and keays won't be bid on before 38. if they are bid on a lot lower than we thought i'd go for has much academy talent as we can unless our recruiters clearly rate another prospect in the 40,s better than william, chol, wagner etc.

 

[jackess]

I'm far from an expert but what I'd like to see from a junior forward is them being able to get separation on the lead, use their body well in a one on one marking contest against a strong opponent and being able to read to ball in a pack marking contest as well as having strong hands.

You don't see a lot of these things in most junior forwards but I think Schache has shown a lot compared to most other young key forwards that have come through in recent times.