List Mgmt. 2015 Trade/Draft/FA - SuperMegaUltraThread

[EagleEgo]

Looks like we will take more matured players this year for instant success. Players not going to play in the next 2-3 years and out of contract will be out disregard of the potential.

 

[WCErevival]

Looks like we will take more matured players this year for instant success. Players not going to play in the next 2-3 years and out of contract will be out disregard of the potential.

There really wasn't much potential with those 3. Over the last 2 years they've all mostly played WAFL reserves.

 

[dispute]

Cleaning out Main and Maggie means two less wingers on the list...

 

[erbenz]

Should have drafted the Powell you're all talking about, not the one that played one reasonable game in two years.

You're not talking about Craig Wulff?

 

[EagleEgo]

There really wasn't much potential with those 3. Over the last 2 years they've all mostly played WAFL reserves.

I rate Powell higher than Barass in the long run.

 

[Biggie]

Cleaning out Main and Maggie means two less wingers on the list...

I see what you're doing here..

 

[mick06]

I've posted something along the same lines as him previously. Was overheard by someone I know who was out with one of our East Perth players.

Not sure if it is across the board, or just this one player thinking he is arrogant.

I know someone at east perth who says similar things. Thinks the worst thing that happened was being picked to play for west coast round 1. Came back with a bit of attitude and wasnt happy to play ressies after injury.

Though i saw him walking into the eagles game after that ressies game back and he was on his phone probably to his mun or dad and he sounded pretty down and humble on his performance

But the kid is 18, you need a bit of spunk to succeed at the highest level and ill back him in

 

[WCE1698]

I rate Powell higher than Barass in the long run.

Think your the only one.

 

[EagleEgo]

Also in 3 years time, we shall have the problem like the Dockers - lack of quality tall Key Positional Players if we are not developing some young ones now. But of course, it is a balance between future and instant success.

 

[EagleEgo]

Also in 3 years time, we shall have the problem like the Dockers - lack of quality tall Key Positional Players if we are not developing some young ones now. But of course, it is a balance between future and instant success.

 

[EagleEgo]

Think your the only one.

Barass is not as mobile!? Don't you think?

 

[SpaceClef]

Hmm that's disappointing - really wanted Maginness to do well. I reckon he'll get redrafted somewhere and will succeed.

A definite trend with my former sponsor players going on....

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Can't wait to hear Eastern Rangers' opinion on the delisting of his Ropo.

I must admit i'm surprised with Maginness and Powell. Main was not really lighting the world on fire so he was kind of expected. The other two really showed potential.

Surely Karpany is going if these two are out. Maybe Lucas and McGinnity too.

Not happy. Powell was a project player, who was played at the wrong end of the ground in an inconsistent WAFL side that lacked any real midfield drive and he played reasonably well.

However i'll reserve full judgment until after all the list changes have played out across both the Senior and Rookie lists. Because ultimately there is a broader list strategy beyond these three delistings.

The question regarding Powell is with that in light. Did he have a place beyond 2016 in terms of winning a senior list position or did he constitute surplus to our needs? My guess is they've taken the view he's not needed or capable in defense and see him as surplus to our needs up forward. We aren't exactly light on KPP talent and a 194cm wingman is a stretch.

I won't refrain from pointing out that Lucas, McGinnity, McInnes and Colledge* have no real place being on our list over an extended period. As for Karpay and Tunbridge, who i'd argue have obvious talents. Also have a hell of a lot of holes in their cases for retention. So it hurts to see a player doing well in the circumstances let go while the above six are retaining knowing full well they're not going to see out the next few years anyway.

Main's skills would have been useful, it's more his ability to win the ball in congestion above colts level that has dissapointed me. The physical side of his game was the major question mark.

Mags is just unlucky. Showed a mountain of ability last year.

*Still a glimmer of hope for him.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Tunbridge OOC ?

Simpson has had a lot of nice things to say about Newman and Tunbridge since he arrived. Wouldn't surprise me if they're around next year.

 

[WCE1698]

Barass is not as mobile!? Don't you think?

Barrass is gonna be a jet mate.

 

[eagles rule]

didn`t mind Powell but its a worry when they can`t play good footy in the wafl league team .Our rookies need to be hungry and showing good improvement to stay on the list .

 

[erbenz]

An interesting tidbit about form at WAFL level vs AFL level and reasons we might be overstating Powell's form, and Magginness' form last year.

Damian hardwick (like Simpson, a Clarkson protege) was commenting on Kamdyn Macintosh's year and said that in his first three years he never showed any signs of dominating VFL level, and that his progression to AFL ranks was on his execution of team strategy at a VFL level, things like running patterns and positioning; and then went on to comment often times the gap between AFL and VFL was so great that leaving first round picks in the state leagues too long simply stagnated them as being great state leagues players rather than serviceable AFL players. In short; VFL form didn't mean a lot as part of his list evaluation.

Perhaps given Hardwick's (and Simpson's) time at Hawthorn is wouldn't be surprising to see some of these development insights being transferred into the eagles' list and that methods of monitoring development may be more abstract than what we're traditionally used to?

 

[EagleEgo]

Barrass is gonna be a jet mate.

Don't get it wrong. I am not saying Barass is not good. I am saying both of them are good but I rate one higher than the other on the basis of mobility. And we need more than two or three of these tall to shoulder the team in a few years time (otherwise we will face the same problem like the Dockers today)

 

[Eastern Rangers]

An interesting tidbit about form at WAFL level vs AFL level and reasons we might be overstating Powell's form, and Magginness' form last year.

Damian hardwick (like Simpson, a Clarkson protege) was commenting on Kamdyn Macintosh's year and said that in his first three years he never showed any signs of dominating VFL level, and that his progression to AFL ranks was on his execution of team strategy at a VFL level, things like running patterns and positioning; and then went on to comment often times the gap between AFL and VFL was so great that leaving first round picks in the state leagues too long simply stagnated them as being great state leagues players rather than serviceable AFL players.

Perhaps given Hardwick's (and Simpson's) time at Hawthorn is wouldn't be surprising to see some of these development insights being transferred into the eagles' list and that methods of monitoring development may be more abstract than what we're traditionally used to?

Sounds about right. But that certainly doesn't address Powell being delisted as direct reasons aren't ever really given, broader list strategies are probably a bigger contributor given his age and long term development profile.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Since we've delisted Powell, Main and may yet also delist Tunbridge, while Colledge could be gone in a year if he can't crack the side, we're certainly losing a lot if height... Fmac hasn't quiet cemented his place long term either. All 190+ cm players.

 

[WCE1698]

Don't get it wrong. I am not saying Barass is not good. I am saying both of them are good but I rate one higher than the other on the basis of mobility. And we need more than two or three of these tall to shoulder the team in a few years time (otherwise we will face the same problem like the Dockers today)

I rate Barrass a lot higher. Barrass reads the game exceptionally well and has a great mark. Plus the right physique for AFL, unlike Powell unfortunately but i was dissapointed we delisted him.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Will be good to see Barrass with some confidence back next year, he was terrible in the WAFL when he came back from the Crows debacle.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

I rate Barrass a lot higher. Barrass reads the game exceptionally well and has a great mark.

Barrass will be much better with more time in the gym, etc. Needs to be a lot stronger in order to contest against bigger forwards, but already a very smart defender, so its the only thing he's missing.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

No need to compare Powell and Barrass. Different players with different skills that played different roles. Powell was like a 193cm version of Brad Sheppard. Slight frame, elite runner in a straight line, quick ball user by foot.

Now i'm getting angry. :|

 

[Avalor]

Nooooooo not ropo

very surprized at this. I was really looking forward to Powell's development. From what i read on these boards, he was coming along nicely. Disappointing, but i guess we will need to watch this space and see what happens.