Hot Topic 2016 DRAFT

[Arr0w]

Wants and needs are interchangeable. You want a particular type of player because you need to fill a hole on your list. If I'm SOS I want a big bodied mid who has an inside outside game. I think either Brodie or Taranto fulfills this want/need.

I am pretty sure we have more than 1 pick in the draft. Whether we need inside, outside mids, forward, backmen, ruckmen, we won't address our shortfalls with 1 pick or 1 draft period.

You draft best available in the first 3 rounds, then unless there is someone you rate highly that has slid, you can tweak selections for needs.

While we are on the subject of needs, perhaps we can address big bodied mids with the likes of Barrett as a DFA, or Jye Bolton late in the draft

 

[Foucault1989]

I am pretty sure we have more than 1 pick in the draft. Whether we need inside, outside mids, forward, backmen, ruckmen, we won't address our shortfalls with 1 pick or 1 draft period.

You draft best available in the first 3 rounds, then unless there is someone you rate highly that has slid, you can tweak selections for needs.

While we are on the subject of needs, perhaps we can address big bodied mids with the likes of Barrett as a DFA, or Jye Bolton late in the draft

I understand your point but the 'best available' is always relative to your needs and wants. If you have 3 gun key forwards and deciding between using your first pick on another key forward or a midfielder (how do you decide who is the better player when they play different positions) the best available would be the midfielder. If we desperately need reliable, hard working midfielders, the best available will be a reliable, hard working midfielder.

I understand we have 6 picks but the first pick has the best chance of being a gun. I want a genuine gun not another project player with talent like Yarran, Lucas, menzel and so forth. Just my opinion.

 

[ray8182]

I am bored at work and am here till 7am. So...

I am going to do some video analysis of a favourite of mine this draft: Sam Pertovski-Seton

Spoiler: Video Analysis

0:06 - SPS receives handball from teammate, kicks just over teammates head

0:09 - SPS sharks the opposition tap, gets space out the back, kicks to the lead of a teammate in the middle of the ground with encroaching pressure

0:16 - SPS receives kick in, hits up target. Kick is a little loopy

0:25 - SPS collects ball between two opponents. Is immediately tackled, handball is smothered, but he retrieves and gets the second handball out.

0:31 - SPS collects loose ball on wing smoothly, turns and kicks to a lead. Good kick, teammate cannot hang on to it.

0:39 - SPS gathers hard ball under pressure, immediately gives it to teammate in a better position

0:42 - SPS taps a loose ball free from a contest, collects and gives to a teammate while blocking for him.

0:47 - SPS receives handball, goes out the back way around 2 opponents. Kick is poor, intercepted.

0:55 - SPS gets ball out the back, gives a handpass to a teammate who is under some pressure. Teammate probably should have made the next handball rather then take on his man.

1:00 - Ball squeezes out of a contest, SPS hunts ball, teammate gets in the way, SPS collects, pivots, handpasses to a free teammate. Classy stuff

1:06 - SPS gets a scrubber handpass and collects off the deck, immediately under pressure. Breaks first tackle, rides second and handpasses to a teammate.

1:12 - SPS is on top of loose ball, does not gather cleanly at first, but is in control, gets through under pressure and snaps at goal. Point.

1:22 - SPS reads opposition tap, gets to ball first, collects under pressure and gives to a teammates run. Teammate fumbles ball (maybe a little hot?)

1:28 - Unclean hitout, ball hits the deck, SPS pounces, collects and is away, three opponents chase and he feigns both directions. Scruffy handpass out to a teammate

1:35 - Ball hits the deck (from a kick?). SPS reads best, accelerates and collects. Makes space, feigns and waits with ball in hand, turns back inside and then selects a bad choice, a contest on the 50. Kick is loopy, favours his teammate, but the choice is bad. From the camera angle it is tough to tell whether there were other free options, certainly the teammate in the pocket would not have been a useful choice.

1:46 - SPS receives wide handpass from a teammate exiting attacking 50. Immediately kicks to the advantage of a teammate, who fumbles the mark.



0:01 - Video starts with SPS with ball in hand. Centering kick which finds leading target with ease.

0:08 - SPS collects loose ball, under some light pressure. Accelerates away, handpasses backwards to free, stationary teammate.

0:16 - SPS collects loose ball, gets tackled (a little high) loses possession.

0:24 - Receives hot handpass under pressure, immediately kicks. It is just ahead of a teammate and opposition intercepts.

0:30 - SPS receives kick on the HBF, turns, hits up target inside.

0:39 - Opposition player is about to receive handball and SPS makes a beeline, as he takes possession SPS steamrolls him in a tackle. Ball spills out.

0:42 - SPS collects a loose ball on the boundary, accelerates away from pressure and hits up a centering kick

0:49 - SPS collects on HBF. Kicks long to contest. Teammate wins the mark, but it's probably not due to SPS kick.

1:05 - SPS receives mark in the middle of the ground as part of a switch. Kicks on to another teammate. At the end of the clip you can see him running forward to drag his man out of position and to try and create an option.

1:14 - Receives ball, opponents approach but SPS has that time and space, switches angles and hits a long handpass out to an available teammate in a dangerous position

1:20 - Loose ball with a pack of players hunting. SPS reads well, gathers, too fast for his pursuer but as he stops and props gets caught as he kicks, causing the ball to go wayward.

1:29 - SPS hunts, collects and pops a loopy kick over the top to the advantage of a teammate.

1:40 - Is an extended version of the earlier clip. In it you can see that the original kick was from a Vic Metro opponent which went over his teammate. SPS chases, gains and overcomes his opponent, collecting and hitting the little pass to teammate in a dangerous position.

1:52 - Same clip as 1:14 but extended. Shows end result. WA goal.

2:02 - Centre bounce. Ball spills out, SPS hunts, collects, is tackled. Gets hands free but handball is hurried. Good choice of target but the execution isn't quite there.

2:08 - SPS leads hard and marks with an opponent right on him on the wing. Turns, spots a teammate in a dangerous position and tries to hit him. Kick is a little overdone, but his teammate probably could have made a better effort to mark, getting a lazy hand to it.

2:20 - Opponent receives ball (from a kick off the ground) and SPS pounces, tackles, ball spills free and Vic M player collects, is tackled well from behind by SPS who locks the ball in. HTB for SPS. Kicks long down the wing to a contest.

2:58 - Ball comes out of the contest and SPS picks it up off the deck at pace running straight into an oncoming player who collects him high. WA plays advantage.

3:07 - SPS intercepts a handpasses, runs into space and hits up a target at CHF.



0:01 - SPS receives ball under pressure as opponents bear down. Scrambles kick forward to contest. Stays involved in a scrappy piece of play, receiving a handball and then dishing it off to a teammate with a little bit more time.

0:15 - Tackles Bowes who is called HTB. Kicks wide to a teammate on lead. Good kick.

0:32 - Receives handball and is immediately confronted. Gives a loopy handpass over the top which finds a teammate, but puts him under some pressure. A relatively good choice.

0:36 - Receives handball out the back. Holds ball and draws tackler then gives off to a running teammate. Teammate gets run down from behind, but this is due to their own lack of awareness.

0:42 - SPS receives handball under pressure. Squeezes handball along the ground in front of teammate. Ball is intercepted but not cleanly.

0:47 - SPS takes a strong mark with an opponent right on him. Kicks short to a target.

0:58 - Ball is loose. SPS and an opponent approach it at speed from opposite directions. SPS collects with a spin move as the opponent goes barreling past him. Miskicks it forward.

1:06 - Receives ball from a handball out of a contest. Hits it at pace and almost immediately moves it on by foot to a target upfield. Kick is a little wide but to advantage.

1:12 - Ball is loose. SPS gathers, gets tackles and handballs over his head to an opponent.

1:18 - SPS collects a kick off one bounce and feeds it to a teammate running in the right direction.

1:23 - Receives ball coming out of traffic. Is surrounded on all sides. Spins, hits kick to target in the center of the ground.

1:32 - Receives ball running at pace from contest. Is slightly held up by a tackler who holds on to his guernsey. Long handball to the advantage of a teammate, but hits the ground.

1:40 - Receives ball which has spilled loose from a contest. Handpasses as pressure comes to a free teammate.

1:45 - Spectacularly sharks a hitout at HBF, breaks through the traffic and kicks long.

1:52 - Receives handball on the HBF while running, kicks a short, low pass which hits the target.

1:59 - Receives a handball at the back of a contest in the forward 50. Snaps to the top of the square. Not to the advantage of his team.

2:05 - Gets a clearance at pace running through the contest with barely a hand on him. Kicks wide out in front of a leading teammate

2:15 - Collects half-volley in the BP, keeps opponent at bay, then hits up a kick to the corridor in the defensive 50.



0:00 - SPS intercepts a handpass at CHF, runs inside 50 and kicks the goal.

0:13 - SPS receives a somewhat dubious free kick at HFF. Hits a lace-out pass to a lead.

0:26 - SPS receives a handball at CHB, looks downfield, doesn't like any options, backs up, almost runs into trouble, dodges out of the way and hits up a kick to a target on the mid-wing.

0:36 - SPS collects ball on HBF against the boundary, slips for a second and in the action thereof apparently drags the ball over the line. Important to note he bounced straight back up, cat-like.

0:44 - Receives handball in FP. Snaps at goal, point.

0:56 - Receives handpass in the middle of the ground. Goes back against the flow, evading opponents. Miskicks out towards the wing.

1:07 - Ruck contest. Wins first possession. Tries to break through. Errant handpass.

1:16 - Briefly gets hand on ball out of a ruck contest, but can't handle it. Is tackled without, gets free kick. Hits up target in the middle of the ground.

Summary:

Sam Petrovski-Seton

Strengths:

Evasiveness: Hard to tackle. Often gets hands free

Vision: Excellent awareness of his surroundings, often spots up and uses targets in dangerous positions

Competitiveness: I did not see him shirk a contest or pull up short in any of the clips (admittedly it is unlikely that any instance would appear). Several times he fought for a hard ball and won. In particular one instance where he came at the ball and collected with a man bearing down in the opposite direction was impressive.

Reading the ball: Has excellent reflexes and understanding of where the ball will be. Often collects loose balls himself, turning a potential 50-50 contest to an advantage.

Pace: He accelerates well and uses it often, leaving opponents in his trail.

Clean hands: Collects the ball cleanly very often, even when under pressure or at pace.

Kicking skils: Accurate kick. Occasionally loopy, and occasionally miskicks

Handballing: Good hands, lacks a bit of strength in long handballing which I would expect him to gain in an AFL system.

Tackling: Relatively strong tackler. Tenacious.

Positioning: Is often well-situated to receive the "get-out" handball backwards. Knows when to go.

Weaknesses:

Light bodied: Doesn't seem to affect him too much, but it is noticeable that he occasionally gets moved a bit too easily.

Ambitious: Tries a bit too much sometimes. Not sure if this is associated with coaching, but he seemed quite set on trying to keep plays alive. His handball over the head occurs in at least two instances, and both times results in a turnover.

Conservative ball use: A lot of sideways kicks, a lot of handball backwards. Often these are the best option. But given SPS skillset, I would like to see him take the game on

Little goalsense: Throughout the clips SPS takes a smattering of pings, and his only success is when he is running towards goal.

No obvious forward play: He is a midfielder throughout these clips, with much of his work occurring on the wings, through the centre and off HBF. Talk of him being a HFF only makes sense if he spends most of his time upfield.

Thanks for your analysis. When l watch that first clip, vs allies l think, SPS is just the classiest footballer in this draft. More poise and skill than possibly any player in the last few drafts.

SPS vs Pickett

When SPS is compared to Pickett it suggests to me that people think because they are both quick and aboriginal they must be the same player. To me they are very different. I remember Pickett clearly from his draft year. Outside running player, playing off half back or wing, breaking the lines with run and carry. More impact player wanting to recieve and run, not really accumulating possessions. Yarran is a reasonable comparison.

SPS is a true midfielder who plays a 360 degree game. He can distribute as much as receive. Sure he's not a true inside midfielder but more balanced.

The question mark l have about him is whether he is a 20 possession player or 30. How much drive does he have to be a hard working midfielder. When a talented player isn't getting higher numbers you wonder about work rate.

I hope we get either Brodie or SPS. Can't see how you could go wrong.


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[Arr0w]

I understand your point but the 'best available' is always relative to your needs and wants. If you have 3 gun key forwards and deciding between using your first pick on another key forward or a midfielder (how do you decide who is the better player when they play different positions) the best available would be the midfielder. If we desperately need reliable, hard working midfielders, the best available will be a reliable, hard working midfielder.

I understand we have 6 picks but the first pick has the best chance of being a gun. I want a genuine gun not another project player with talent like Yarran, Lucas, menzel and so forth. Just my opinion.

All valid points, but we don't have a forward line that has 3 gun forwards, yet.

With where our list is at, just take best available, especially the first 2 selections. It may also assist in filling some holes. Then with later picks, you can start addressing needs

 

[Foucault1989]

All valid points, but we don't have a forward line that has 3 gun forwards, yet.

With where our list is at, just take best available, especially the first 2 selections. It may also assist in filling some holes. Then with later picks, you can start addressing needs

You've missed my point. The key forward hypothesis was hypothetical. It was to demonstrate that the best available for one club is different from another. Other factors include their home state, size, injury history, attitude and ability to perform straight away. Brodie and Taranto are the best available for us at this very moment in time.

 

[Cringle]

I want whichever player is most likely to become elite... irrespective of position or type.

SPS fits the bill so far. We may not get another opportunity to draft a player of his silk again in our rebuild. A midfielder with elite skill and decision making that doesn't sit on the outside would do perfectly beside Cripps.

Sharenburg or Clarke could be options with our next pick. More inside dominant games to 'help out Cripps'.

 

[Sin City]

Jordan quit because of the Cripps pick?

It was Luke Williams that left and it had nothing to do with the Cripps pick.

 

[ferrisb]

It was Luke Williams that left and it had nothing to do with the Cripps pick.

Sin , you able to shed any light on why Williams quit?

IIRC, he quit 2 weeks before his first draft with us.

To the uninformed eye (ie those guessing , myself included) the inevitable conclusion was that he strongly disagreed with our draft philosophy or planned selections (eg Cripps) .

 

[Arr0w]

You've missed my point. The key forward hypothesis was hypothetical. It was to demonstrate that the best available for one club is different from another. Other factors include their home state, size, injury history, attitude and ability to perform straight away. Brodie and Taranto are the best available for us at this very moment in time.

I didn't miss your point, just stating what, I, think we should do given the state of our list. Yes midfielder, but forget big body, small body, inside, outside, or any other parameters. Just recruit the best midfielder, worry about needs later in the draft

As for who that is, we all have a different opinion. Your preference is Brodie or Taranto, mine is Taranto or SPS. From what I have read, the general consensus is one of Brodie, Taranto, SPS, Scrimshaw

 

[Sin City]

Sin , you able to shed any light on why Williams quit?

Yeah, there's obviously a lot of stuff I can't talk about. It wasn't anything to do with recruitment strategy or draft selections. Also it was definitely mutual and he definitely had to move on, it wasn't just Luke quitting. That being said, he is a top bloke and I hope he does well at Richmond or wherever he goes in the future.

 

[Sector 7G]

Will be interesting to see how SOS looks at drafting from a overall perspective.

SPS/Clarke-Drew vs Brodie/Gallucci-Bolton
outside(I know SPS is not just outside)/inside vs inside/outside

this years

Weitering/McKay vs Schache/Collins
back/forward vs forward/back

 

[HARKER]

Of course the quality of talent comes first, closely followed by the quality of the character.
It's just easier to envisage one of Taranto, SPS or Scrimshaw first and then a Clarke, Drew, SPP etc at our second.

I wonder if one of those later picks are earmarked for Kerbatieh. Are we even still interested in him?
Given that Gallucci is still training with us, maybe it will be one or the other, dependent on whether we pick up Kerbatieh where we rate him?

 

[mix of stars]

Of course the quality of talent comes first, closely followed by the quality of the character.
It's just easier to envisage one of Taranto, SPS or Scrimshaw first and then a Clarke, Drew, SPP etc at our second.

I wonder if one of those later picks are earmarked for Kerbatieh. Are we even still interested in him?
Given that Gallucci is still training with us, maybe it will be one or the other, dependent on whether we pick up Kerbatieh where we rate him?

Hi Harker, as i have said in past i know the family well and can confirm he was invited to start pre season with us he started this week so we must still be keen ?

 

[HARKER]

Hi Harker, as i have said in past i know the family well and can confirm he was invited to start pre season with us he started this week so we must still be keen ?

Thank you. I don't recall seeing that post. Don't hate me if I responded to it. I just don't recall it.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Will be interesting to see how SOS looks at drafting from a overall perspective.

SPS/Clarke-Drew vs Brodie/Gallucci-Bolton
outside(I know SPS is not just outside)/inside vs inside/outside

this years

Weitering/McKay vs Schache/Collins
back/forward vs forward/back

Weitering and McKay the winner by about 30 lengths in that comparison haha

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[Cringle]

Weitering and McKay the winner by about 30 lengths in that comparison haha

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Only on the back of 12 months development and potential.

 

[Azul]

Alex Villis' medical condition sounds upsetting.

I hope he has a future and it's not career ending like the case of Josh Toy.

 

[djw1952]

SPS looks similar to Murphy, undersized for an inside mid, good kicking vision and execution, good pace.

perhaps, but we still need another big body in the middle unless they are going to use Charlie Curnow in there....otherwise I say it`s got to be Brodie at pick 5. We need someone to get the ball out not a finisher which is what P-Seton sounds like.........he could be Yarran mark 2. If he gets down and dirty then that`s fine, but does he???

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Only on the back of 12 months development and potential.

I think i'll back my prospective judgement on this one

 

[ParapMarkets]

I didn't miss your point, just stating what, I, think we should do given the state of our list. Yes midfielder, but forget big body, small body, inside, outside, or any other parameters. Just recruit the best midfielder, worry about needs later in the draft

I agree 100%. We need to take the best available, we don't have the luxury of being pedantic about the body size of the midfielder. SPS is very good in contested situations, those sticky hands are amasing. Decision making and skills are elite.

Workrate is the question mark here, there is no doubt he will be a good AFL player, the question is whether or not he is prepared to work hard enough to be elite.

I have no idea what way SOS will go with this pick but SPS is light years ahead of the other 2 in terms of skill and decision making.

 

[Jimmae]

Hish was followed by Carlton's twitter account yesterday. Forgot to mention that on here.

 

[Foucault1989]

I agree 100%. We need to take the best available, we don't have the luxury of being pedantic about the body size of the midfielder. SPS is very good in contested situations, those sticky hands are amasing. Decision making and skills are elite.

Workrate is the question mark here, there is no doubt he will be a good AFL player, the question is whether or not he is prepared to work hard enough to be elite.

I have no idea what way SOS will go with this pick but SPS is light years ahead of the other 2 in terms of skill and decision making.

I don't know about you but I just want a workhorse. We are rebuilding we need solid, tough competitors. I can't deal with another Yarran or Menzel. It is just not what we need right now. They are the cream on top. Gibbs could go next year. Murphy will be rotating through the midfield less and less. Why would we use our first pick on someone who could be flashy and brilliant, but inconsistent. It is counter productive.

 

[Aphrodite]

Hish was followed by Carlton's twitter account yesterday. Forgot to mention that on here.

Must have unfollowed. Couldn't see the Cub in his followers.

 

[The Dominator7]

Of course the quality of talent comes first, closely followed by the quality of the character.
It's just easier to envisage one of Taranto, SPS or Scrimshaw first and then a Clarke, Drew, SPP etc at our second.

I wonder if one of those later picks are earmarked for Kerbatieh. Are we even still interested in him?
Given that Gallucci is still training with us, maybe it will be one or the other, dependent on whether we pick up Kerbatieh where we rate him?

Hi everyone, breaking my cherry after watching for a month or so.....think I might be developing an addiction

I agree with Harker that it's easy to envisage #5 and #25 as he's outlined. When I had a look at Bishops draft he had Josh Begley going a few picks after our 2nd. Being from interstate I hadn't heard of him and couldn't find any YouTube footage, so looked him up on the Age Combine Harvester and Afldraftcentral.com and the wraps/upside seem quite positive.

Do any of you local guys know anything about him, and is he a realistic option for us if we go the more attacking player path at #25 ??

Cheers

 

[JuddgementDay]

I don't know about you but I just want a workhorse. We are rebuilding we need solid, tough competitors. I can't deal with another Yarran or Menzel. It is just not what we need right now. They are the cream on top. Gibbs could go next year. Murphy will be rotating through the midfield less and less. Why would we use our first pick on someone who could be flashy and brilliant, but inconsistent. It is counter productive.

+1
Considering our track record, pre sos, i see nothing wrong with going for a safe option at #5
My order of preference would be bowers, setterfield, brodie then taranto