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Soapy V said:
who do you think the gws 4 is and how much will they cost?
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This is an interesting question esp if you take in to account the GWS 1.0


Comparing the two sets of players you have

Plowman (#3, 2012) v Marchbank (#6, 2014)
Sumner (#10 2011) v Tomlinson (#9, 2011)
Lamb (#21, 2010) v Steele (#24 2014)
Phillips (#97, 2012) v Stewart (#27, 2012)


NONE of the GSW4 2.0 have shown ANYTHING this year to suggest that they are SUBSTANTIALLY better than those players which we got last year for pick #28. Why are people expecting that the GWS4 2.0 will cost us a top 5 pick and a second rounder this year ??? ..........
 
Soapy V said:
i think we are poor with ball use and decision making. especially through the midfield and using the ball going forward. major issue for us. gibbs murphy curnow cripps kerridge make a lot of mistakes especially by foot. not great when our best ball user is an 18 year old key defender.
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Where we've missed Murphy the most.
 
HARKER said:
Glass-McCasker, McKay & Korchek will survive.
Jamison, Walker, Gorringe & Jones are contracted. We may lose one, may two through retirement, but that's it.
Everitt may get traded but won't be delisted.

That only leaves Foster & Wood as players that will not be on the list next year.

Can see us drafting one tall. That's it.
We will be wanting to trade for a tall or two though and most likely have them all but locked up, already.
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When looking at long term list management, the salient point is not so much who will survive "the cull' this year, it is
about next year.
Jamison, Walker, Gorringe, Jones and possibly even Jaksch will not be there. Starts to look a little thin then.........

Do not want to compromise our draft, but Marchbank, in particular and Tomlinson (the drums are deafening) look
important. After last season we would have to believe SoS will concoct something to make it happen. It makes
little sense to draft KPP, we need some mature bodies, who will not be out of place when the kids mature.
 

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coryne said:
This is an interesting question esp if you take in to account the GWS 1.0


Comparing the two sets of players you have

Plowman (#3, 2012) v Marchbank (#6, 2014)
Sumner (#10 2011) v Tomlinson (#9, 2011)
Lamb (#21, 2010) v Steele (#24 2014)
Phillips (#97, 2012) v Stewart (#27, 2012)


NONE of the GSW4 2.0 have shown ANYTHING this year to suggest that they are SUBSTANTIALLY better than those players which we got last year for pick #28. Why are people expecting that the GWS4 2.0 will cost us a top 5 pick and a second rounder this year ??? ..........
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based on that will pick 23 this year get us marchbank tomlinson & stewart? steele would be great but word is he is staying. hoskin elliot is the other name mentioned.

didnt we also do a deal for a first round pick last year?
 
I can only repeat what that Dogs guy posted, didn't he say a first and a second rounder had been signed off by the Carlton board (those two picks not necessarily from the same year) for :

Marchbank
Tomlinson
Steele
Stewart

?
 
coryne said:
This is an interesting question esp if you take in to account the GWS 1.0


Comparing the two sets of players you have

Plowman (#3, 2012) v Marchbank (#6, 2014)
Sumner (#10 2011) v Tomlinson (#9, 2011)
Lamb (#21, 2010) v Steele (#24 2014)
Phillips (#97, 2012) v Stewart (#27, 2012)


NONE of the GSW4 2.0 have shown ANYTHING this year to suggest that they are SUBSTANTIALLY better than those players which we got last year for pick #28. Why are people expecting that the GWS4 2.0 will cost us a top 5 pick and a second rounder this year ??? ..........
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Marchbank is rated very highly isn't he?

Tomlinson is being played out of position I think. He's more a mobile forward from what I have read. Or even a tall mid.


Steele goes ok and remember is young still
 
Azul said:
According to ladder positions of a couple of weeks ago, it is picks:
5, 23, 41, 49 (WB), 77

NB we upgraded our 4th round to WB's 3rd as part of the Charlie pick.
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so pick 23 for marchbank tomlinson steele & stewart and then we have picks 5, 41, 49 & 77 for the draft.

all we need to do is some trades for earlier picks. another 3-4 picks inside top 30 would be great. ;)
 
reading some of the phantom drafts and a few people have todd marshall (198cm kpf) going around pick 5. be very interesting to see if sos would pick him. add him to stewart tomlinson & marchbank i would think we are then covered for key position players for the next decade
 

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Soapy V said:
based on that will pick 23 this year get us marchbank tomlinson & stewart? steele would be great but word is he is staying. hoskin elliot is the other name mentioned.

didnt we also do a deal for a first round pick last year?
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Yes #8 for the Geelong 1st rd pick which is/was also in our favor so if it is included in the trade then the real value for the GWS4 is decreased further.....
 
Soapy V said:
reading some of the phantom drafts and a few people have todd marshall (198cm kpf) going around pick 5. be very interesting to see if sos would pick him. add him to stewart tomlinson & marchbank i would think we are then covered for key position players for the next decade
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Until they dont develop or want to be traded because we're getting smashed due to a shit midfield.

But at least weve got a few 18 year old talls!!
 
Iz Marshall a good fit when we have Jones gorringe casboult and McKay on our list? (Top heavy?)

Plus ty Vick...
 
1981 said:
Marchbank is rated very highly isn't he?

Tomlinson is being played out of position I think. He's more a mobile forward from what I have read. Or even a tall mid.


Steele goes ok and remember is young still
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Rated highly, yes, worth pick #5 by himself with the other 3 worth the second rd pick ??? .......
 
From Knightmare's Power Rankings (JULY) :

5. Todd Marshall (NSW/ACT)
Best position: Key forward
Height, weight: 198cm, 87kg
Recruited from: Murray Bushrangers
Plays like: Darcy Moore
Projected draft range: top 10
Rated last month: 3
Rationale behind ranking/change of ranking: Showing all the attributes to be a star key forward at AFL level, with his speed, agility and cleanness below the knees at his height, plus the fact he hasn't always focused on AFL growing up. The scope to develop is there. Just needs to improve his numbers and become physically stronger.
Strengths:
- Clean below knees
- Agility
- Pace
- Football smarts
- Strong mark overhead
- Attacks ball in flight
- Height for a key forward
- Scope to improve having only this season given up cricket to focus on AFL
Weaknesses:
- Size and strength
- Strength in one-on-one contests
- Set shot goalkicking technique needs ironing out, with too much arc on run-up
- Limited to playing in front 50m
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Really want this chap now even though he will be a few years away from being fully ready !!

Play him out of the goal-square at FF with big Harry Mac out on the arc at CHF and the spine is really taking shape. Throw in young Silvagni as a roaming tall/high half-forward plus unearth a genuine small goal-sneak with a couple of the mids resting during the rotations in the other two forward spots and that is a forward line with some serious potency.
 

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Having a close read through Knightmare's Power Rankings for July and there are a few things that concern me about the whole draft pool.

The belief is that we will be targeting players with genuine foot speed and elite kicking skills plus if they are genuine mids, they have to be able to get their own ball especially contested.

Factoring in that we have #5 (we miss out on supposedly the best 4 in it) whilst taking out all of the academy players and I'm struggling to find anyone who ticks all the boxes.
 
Chucked a sickie today and as such, I've been doing a big crunch on the kids this year, their expected field positions, an analysis of our list and our weaknesses and strengths. Here's how I see our biggest needs:

1. Inside mids who are extractors. We need to get our hands on the ball more, simple as that. At the moment it only really Cripps and Gibbs, but Gibbs also plays outside a lot and is best suited to using his great distribution by foot as opposed to getting in and under. We are extremely thin here. Graham goes okay, but the jury is still out and he is just so slow by foot.

2016 Draft prospects - Will Brodie, Andrew McGrath, Daniel Venables, Jonty Scharenberg, Willem Drew, Dylan Clarke, Joseph Atley, Jack Graham, Jack Bowes (GC SUNS Academy), Kobe Mutch (GWS Academy), Harry Perryman (GWS Academy), Will Setterfield (GWS Academy), Brad Scheer (GC SUNS Academy)

2. Great skills and decision makers. It's abundantly clear that we lack skills and polish. Ed Curnow, Kerridge, Armfield, White, Buckley all can get a bit of the ball, but they struggle making the correct decisions, and they also struggle executing said decisions. We need footy brains and silk. Cripps is damaging by hand and can extract, but by foot he's only average.

2016 Draft prospects - Hugh McLuggage, Daniel Venables, Sam Petrevski-Seton, Jordan Gallucci, Willem Drew, Jonty Scharenberg, Jack Scrimshaw, Harrison Macreadie (GWS Academy), Harry Perryman (GWS Academy), Jack Bowes (GC SUNS Academy), Will Setterfield (GWS Academy)

3. Left footers. It's been stated that Bolton has asked SOS for lefties and it's clear why. Simmo is about our only one! When we play down the left side of the field, our skill execution is lacking because everyone is kicking on their non-preferred. We are extremely unbalanced. This definitely needs correcting.

2016 Draft prospects - Don't know, lack of data.

4. Key position Defenders. We really only have Sam Rowe as a gorilla KPD and we all know he gives 110%, but his is limited and also getting on in years. Glass-McKasker is a rookie and not showing a huge amount at the moment. Weitering is KPD size, but is better suited to playing off his man and setting up play as opposed to wresting beast forwards. We need to shore this up as they do take a few years to develop. Perhaps Marchbank and Tomlinson are our answers here if the mooted GWS4 v2.0 happens???

2016 Draft prospects - Declan Watson (Lions Academy), Harrison Macreadie (GWS Academy)

5. Outside mids. Think Brad Hill, Stephen Hill, Isaac Smith, Jack McCrae, Tom Scully etc. Pace, endurance and great skills and decision making. Doc and Simmo play this role mostly for us, but they are coming out of the backline to do so. Jury still out on Boekhorst and Cuningham is yet to debut. Definitely lack depth and quality here.

2016 Draft prospects - Hugh McLuggage, Andrew McGrath, Daniel Venables, Jy Simkin, Jordan Gallucci, Sam Petrevski-Seton

If the draft order goes as predicted, we should end up with pick 5. Here's how I see the top 5 picks panning out:

1. Essendon - Will Brodie - Inside mid, fills need, will replace Jobe Watson
2. Brisbane - Hugh McLuggage - Next best, fills need for outside run and polish
3. Fremantle - Sam Petrevski-Seton - Local lad, quality utility. Although this pick could also be used to get Cam McCarthy from GWS or they might reach for Todd Marshall to fill that elusive KPF spot they desperately need filled. If so, then I think SOS would look very closely at calling SPS's name at pick 5.
4. Gold Coast - Jack Bowes (Academy Selection)
5. Carlton - ???

The first four pick themselves and from what I can see they are emerging as the clear(ish) standouts thus far. Either McLuggage or Brodie will go number one, depending on which one * see as the best/best fit for them. Lions (like last year) will take the one left and be happy as a pig in shit. Win-win for the Lions. Fremantle will take local boy and Shaun Burgoyne-like SPS. Suns will have to take Bowes here because there will be bids on him for sure, kid's a jet by all regards.

That leaves us. As we all know we need mids.

Andrew McGrath - 179cm / 75kg - (Small Def / Utlity) is shaping up as the next best pick, but he's a 179cm / 75kg back flanker who can go through the middle. Do we really need another HBF? Doc, Tuohy, Simmo, Buckley, Byrne, Sheehan, Dick and even Plow and Weitering play like flankers. Also, he is quite small. If he plays in the guts for the rest of the year and shows that he can extract the ball and distribute we his stocks will rise in SOS's eyes.



Todd Marshall - 198cm / 87kg (KPF) seems like the next best prospect and he is a 198cm / 87kg KPF. Could be a good fit, but again, it's a position that we don't have a screaming need for. McKay, J. Silvagni, Gorringe, Jaksch, C. Curnow and Casboult indicates to me that we have KPF's shorn up. Not to mention a certain Ben Silvagni will be joining us in 2018. Then again, SOS has shown a willingness to draft talls early and without regard to other talls on the list in his time at GWS.



Ben Ainsworth - 179cm / 74kg (Small Fwd / Mid) seems to divide people, with a lot of folks saying he could be the best of this years crop, and others somewhat nonplussed by him. He's a unique prospect in that he's small, but seems to play like a KPF with an outstanding vertical leap and strong hands. He has the ability to turn matches in a matter of minutes and he'll eventually end up through the middle. He also seems a lot bigger than his 74kg. Kid is a nugget. Paul Chapman 2.0??? I'd be more than happy with him and he does also seem to fill a need as a small lead up forward, thought it must be said, it's not a pressing need.



Daniel Venables - 186cm / 81kg (Inside Mid / Fwd) I have a feeling if we have pick 5, then Venables will come our way. Explosive breakaway pace and can win his own ball, good user of the footy. Seems to tick all the boxes for us.



Jordan Gallucci - 183cm / 75kg (Outside Mid) could very well end up at the Blues. Classy outside mid who by all accounts is an outstanding user of the ball and has an explosive burst of pace.



This is by far the most interesting draft in a very long time for Carlton. This time last year pretty much everyone knew barring a massive surprise that we'd end up with Weitering. This year anything can happen. Do we keep our first pick? Do we trade it down for two bites of the cherry later on? Do we trade it to GWS for the GWS4? All I can be sure of is that I'm not sure about anything! SOS really has his work cut out for him this year. I'd love us to trade up into the first round to ensure another pick or two. This unfortunately will mean losing one or more of Casboult, Everitt or Tuohy as it's clear they have the most currency and are also somewhat expendable. If we could possibly jag 3 picks in the top 20, or two picks + the GWS4, then Jo Silvagni better watch out, coz I'll be trying to get into their bed.
 
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TheSheik said:
Jones, Gorringe & Casboult won't be on our list for too much longer and Vickery will never ever be on it.
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Maybe so but I'm not sure 2 monster teenagers is the way to go when Bolton is set on playing Phillips/Kreuzer in tandem.
e.g. Richmond have problems integrating maric/Hampson/Vickery/Griffiths/Mcbean
 
P_Crippy said:
Where we've missed Murphy the most.
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Absolutely. He covers a tonne of ground, tries to be direct & attacking with his ball use. Since he's been missing I've been thinking more & more that we need to bring in another player like him. Although maybe Cuningham / Boekhorst will be that player
 
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