Hot Topic 2016 DRAFT

[gandaal]

If Jarrod Pickett was in this year's draft would he have gone No 1?

None of this year's players can match his highlight package.

This highlights package?



To be honest that's not a great highlights package.

 

[blue_trinity]

16+ is elite level. 15 happens every year (usually more than once) and is just one piece of data.


I'll rephrase: does he run the other way? Some of the top 5 blokes do (Scrimshaw and McGrath for example).


It's his outside game that worries me.

FWIW guys, my top 5 (in no particular order) without Bowes is:

McCluggage
SPS
Scrimshaw
McGrath
Brodie

Since the combine was created in 1994 there's only been 5 players test over 16. I think your being a little strict regarding the word "elite".

To put it into perspective, If he gets over 15.07 he'll be in the top ten of the last 22 years. Id be considering that elite.

Was speaking to a part time recruiter before Sandringham played their first final. Asked him who he liked out of the dragons boys... Was expecting a drawn out answer with McGrath being his choice... Didn't even stop to think about it, "Taranto, other two (McGrath and Scrimshaw) are pretty even for me, and Florent's not far behind them".

Didn't expect that answer at all. Since then Taranto's gone on to dominate through the finals and the judd/Micky-o game, and his assessment has proved to be spot on imo.

Also, and this is just my opinion, but Scrimshaw is not an example id use for two way running/defending.
Loves to leave his man and go on a long run which is fine, but definitely doesn't love it so much the other way.

 

[Nori]

Forget Pickett's highlights. That's just a throwaway line. No 4 draft pick. How would he stack up against this year's top picks. Obviously has exciting pace. If they give GWS their number 5 is would be nice to know they are getting something comparable.

Not all midfielders have to be inside plodders.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Since the combine was created in 1994 there's only been 5 players test over 16. I think your being a little strict regarding the word "elite".

To put it into perspective, If he gets over 15.07 he'll be in the top ten of the last 22 years. Id be considering that elite.

Was speaking to a part time recruiter before Sandringham played their first final. Asked him who he liked out of the dragons boys... Was expecting a drawn out answer with McGrath being his choice... Didn't even stop to think about it, "Taranto, other two (McGrath and Scrimshaw) are pretty even for me, and Florent's not far behind them".

Didn't expect that answer at all. Since then Taranto's gone on to dominate through the finals and the judd/Micky-o game, and his assessment has proved to be spot on imo.

Also, and this is just my opinion, but Scrimshaw is not an example id use for two way running/defending.
Loves to leave his man and go on a long run which is fine, but definitely doesn't love it so much the other way.

Well said. Taranto has really grown on me, his performances in the TAC CUP GF and the Judd v Mickey O game show that he can step up in big games.

 

[Jimmae]

To put it into perspective, If he gets over 15.07 he'll be in the top ten of the last 22 years. Id be considering that elite.

I'd agree with that, but the comments were made in regards to 15 flat or at least low 15s.

Running both ways in a practical sense is more about not over-committing in attack (or in leaving your man when in a defensive post). Fitness is the other component but you tend to be less tired if you don't make stupid and blind runs ahead of the ball.

 

[RoyalParade]

Interesting article. Albeit different system (no draft). However the principal is the same. Build through youth. No expensive messiahs.

https://www.melbournestorm.com.au/news/2016/09/30/the_melbourne_made_r.html

 

[G-TRAIN07]

No if harry mckay didn't turn 18 last year. He would've been pick number 1 this year

 

[Dramoth]

Care to elaborate on any of that?

Because I don't think that he is going to be ready to play round 1 next year and a lot of the bottom teams will be looking for someone who will be ready to step up in round 1, and some teams might not need a player like him at this point in time.

So, IMO, him being taken somewhere between round 6 and 13 is about right. I've said in the past, if we can get pick 6 or 7 and retain pick 5, we should be taking one of Brodie, Taranto, or Scrimshaw.

 

[CrusaderAussie1]

Powell Pepper I think just about everyone would see as at least 2nd rounder , the question really is dies someone punt on him first round? Upside on some others he has been tested and played well against men, at 91 kg and fearless he is ready to go. Downside , seen as less skilled than some others


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[Kramer1]

Since the combine was created in 1994 there's only been 5 players test over 16. I think your being a little strict regarding the word "elite".

To put it into perspective, If he gets over 15.07 he'll be in the top ten of the last 22 years. Id be considering that elite.

Was speaking to a part time recruiter before Sandringham played their first final. Asked him who he liked out of the dragons boys... Was expecting a drawn out answer with McGrath being his choice... Didn't even stop to think about it, "Taranto, other two (McGrath and Scrimshaw) are pretty even for me, and Florent's not far behind them".

Didn't expect that answer at all. Since then Taranto's gone on to dominate through the finals and the judd/Micky-o game, and his assessment has proved to be spot on imo.

Also, and this is just my opinion, but Scrimshaw is not an example id use for two way running/defending.
Loves to leave his man and go on a long run which is fine, but definitely doesn't love it so much the other way.

Well reasoned, well researched response.

Not sure you'll fit in here.

 

[CrusaderAussie1]

Yes 15 is elite 16 freakish won't bother with rest of post credibility done straight up


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[Blue_Fusion]

Because I don't think that he is going to be ready to play round 1 next year and a lot of the bottom teams will be looking for someone who will be ready to step up in round 1, and some teams might not need a player like him at this point in time.

So, IMO, him being taken somewhere between round 6 and 13 is about right. I've said in the past, if we can get pick 6 or 7 and retain pick 5, we should be taking one of Brodie, Taranto, or Scrimshaw.

We could go all out for this year's draft and I'm starting to think we really should.

**** it, let's try and do this:

2017 1st + #41/Graham/Everitt to GC for #6 + #21 (they'll get #6 from Richmond)
Touhy for #17
2017 2nd to GWS for Marchbank (I'm really not interested in getting Stewart, Pickett, Corr etc because it'll cost us our 2016 2nd as well)

Go to draft with: #5, #6, #17, #21 & #23

#5 > Brodie
#6 > Taranto/Scrimshaw (I'd prefer Taranto but would still be really happy with Scrimshaw)
#17 > Venables (Venables could slide given he's missed a lot of footy)
#21 > Berry
#23 > Battle/Kerr

Adding in Marchbank, Brodie, Taranto, Venables, Berry and Battle with only the loss of Touhy would be a huge result. Of course it screws us up for next year's draft though but that's 7 highly rated kids. We could get a 2017 1st by trading our 2018 1st next year.

 

[HBF]

Would love Brodie at 5 if we could get him. He and Gibbs together would be bloody sensational.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

We could go all out for this year's draft and I'm starting to think we really should.

**** it, let's try and do this:

2017 1st + #41/Graham/Everitt to GC for #6 + #21 (they'll get #6 from Richmond)
Touhy for #17
2017 2nd to GWS for Marchbank (I'm really not interested in getting Stewart, Pickett, Corr etc because it'll cost us our 2016 2nd as well)

Go to draft with: #5, #6, #17, #21 & #23

#5 > Brodie
#6 > Taranto/Scrimshaw (I'd prefer Taranto but would still be really happy with Scrimshaw)
#17 > Venables (Venables could slide given he's missed a lot of footy)
#21 > Berry
#23 > Battle/Kerr

Adding in Marchbank, Brodie, Taranto, Venables, Berry and Battle with only the loss of Touhy would be a huge result. Of course it screws us up for next year's draft though but that's 7 highly rated kids. We could get a 2017 1st by trading our 2018 1st next year.

If we had to give up 23 and only take 5, 6, 17 and 21 to the draft I wouldn't be at all disappointed TBH. Id be pretty pleased with that.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

If we had to give up 23 and only take 5, 6, 17 and 21 to the draft I wouldn't be at all disappointed TBH. Id be pretty pleased with that.

Yeah I suppose that would be a pretty good result too. If one of Stewart, Pickett or Corr excels then we'd be very happy.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Yeah I suppose that would be a pretty good result too. If one of Stewart, Pickett or Corr excels then we'd be very happy.

Absolutely, either way Id be happy. I would love it if we could take 4 or 5 first rounders/ early second rounders to this draft, and again next year. It would absolutely compliment what we did last year. I think hitting the draft hard and building the team through them is the way we should go, bringing in some DFA along the way. Someone like Jack Grimes this year I think would be a good pick up for 2 - 3 seasons especially if Tuohy goes.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Absolutely, either way Id be happy. I would love it if we could take 4 or 5 first rounders/ early second rounders to this draft, and again next year. It would absolutely compliment what we did last year. I think hitting the draft hard and building the team through them is the way we should go, bringing in some DFA along the way. Someone like Jack Grimes this year I think would be a good pick up for 2 - 3 seasons especially if Tuohy goes.

Yep. Grimes would be a good pickup given he'd cost next to nothing.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Yep. Grimes would be a good pickup given he'd cost next to nothing.

Yeah mate, I think so too. Would provide another experienced head for our young defenders in the event of Tuohy moving on. Could slot right in until Byrne returns to full fitness.

 

[bad setanta]

I dunno about Grimes seems it'd be a step backwards rather than treating list spots like gold, let's develop some of our own. Isn't that the whole idea of a rebuild?

 

[Tony Lynn 15]

I dunno about Grimes seems it'd be a step backwards rather than treating list spots gold, let's develop some of our own. Isn't that the whole idea of a rebuild?

Well said.

We are very quick to bag our own as list cloggers yet as soon as an opposition list clogger becomes available we want him?? Hard to understand.

 

[Chasing 17]

We should be giving Rainbow a chance before considering a has-been like Grimes in my opinion.

 

[Smegger]

I dunno about Grimes seems it'd be a step backwards rather than treating list spots like gold, let's develop some of our own. Isn't that the whole idea of a rebuild?

Agree with that for sure but sometimes a quality individual (Grimes, Bartel) can do more good than harm for a short period. However, only if there is a position that cannot be seen as fulfilled by available youth. ie: quality stop-gap.

 

[LemmingMaster]

I think clubs may see the possibilities, but when the crunch comes may be happy to let him slide by.
I like his agility, speed off the mark and cleanliness below his knees and there may be highlights there, but concerns may be for a full game.

I notice you have Taranto @ #2 on your list. Is that in order?
Have you liked Florent all year or has he just come into prominence?

Taranto is 2nd in line for me at the moment. He is a goal kicking midfielder that is strong inside, great over head and tackles hard and knows where to run.

Florent I've been a fan since back in the under 18's and I was only concerned about his ability to increase his midfield numbers and I think that is not a worry anymore. Villis is another example of a player that if he could churn out higher possession counts, I would rocket him up my order.

 

[LemmingMaster]

Would love Brodie at 5 if we could get him. He and Gibbs together would be bloody sensational.

Heard from too many different sources that Brodie has some personality issues. (Does not mean he cannot play, but I would certainly think twice if I was an interstate team.)

 

[LemmingMaster]

The Taranto hype is getting out of control IMO.

He's a good player, but does he have enough of an inside/outside mix when compared to the other top 5 candidates? No.

Does he show enough clean skills under pressure? No.


Is he a smart decision maker? Yes.

Does he get forward? Yes.

Does he get back? No.

So he's nudging the top 10, not the top 5. Oh and those frothing at the mouth about his 15 beep test clearly have no clue what that actually means. 15's great for a tall, not a mid.

There are so many incorrect statements in this list of points, I can only assume you're taking the piss.

He has outstanding inside game skills and has the ability to get outside and kick goals constantly.

Skills under pressure are great.

You want a midfielder to go forward, back and midfield.. I am shocked you were upset he did not ruck as well. (Feel free to name a player that plays forward, mid and back to any high level)

The only person that has no clue is someone thinking that 15 beep is not great for a midfielder.