Hot Topic 2016 DRAFT

[La Dispute]

Haywood's value seems to be rising in general. Lots of phantom drafts are including him as a Top 15 selection and he's getting more exposure in the media. With the lack of x-factor in this draft, his value may be inflated and a team may be inclined to select him earlier than on most other occasions.

I'd back the club to do their due diligence, look over his tapes and see if they can see a Top 5 talent. Personally I'd be shocked if SOS went from Haywood over SPS, Taranto or Brodie. The situation really is quite similar to the De Goey scenario, to which he rocketed up the order after a stellar end to the year. I don't really rate De Goey and thought it a reach at the time, but you can see the thinking behind it; get a medium forward with good skills and goal sense and try to turn him into Gary Ablett or Robbie Gray.

If we're going to be experimental I'd rather go down the Scrimshaw path. He seems more likely to excel at AFL level to me. At this stage though, Petrevski-Seton is the most logical choice for production value, talent, upside and positional need.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

If you were to award a point for each of the following desired traits, what would happen?

1. Ability to play inside mid (win clearances, contested possessions)
2. Ability to play outside mid (link up, overlap run, position to receive)
3. Very good disposal skills
4. Scoreboard impact
5. Pace
6. Strength
7. Football brain
8. Tackling
9. Marking ability
10.Versatility
11. Clean hands (picking up ground level balls)
12. Evasion ability
13. Speed of game (decisive/instinctive, plays on quickly)
14. AFL ready
15. Fitness (endurance)
16. Less likely to leave (local, Carlton fan, expressed desire to play for big Vic club etc)

What score would Taranto, Brodie, Petrevski-Seton, Scrimshaw, Ainsworth and Hayward end up with?

 

[gandaal]

If you were to award a point for each of the following desired traits, what would happen?

1. Ability to play inside mid (win clearances, contested possessions)
2. Ability to play outside mid (link up, overlap run, position to receive)
3. Very good disposal skills
4. Scoreboard impact
5. Pace
6. Strength
7. Football brain
8. Tackling
9. Marking ability
10.Versatility
11. Clean hands (picking up ground level balls)
12. Evasion ability
13. Speed of game (decisive/instinctive, plays on quickly)
14. AFL ready
15. Fitness (endurance)
16. Less likely to leave (local, Carlton fan, expressed desire to play for big Vic club etc)

What score would Taranto, Brodie, Petrevski-Seton, Scrimshaw, Ainsworth and Hayward end up with?

From what I've read this is similar to how the Bulldogs rank potential draftees. Then they just recruit the players with the biggest score.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

If you were to award a point for each of the following desired traits, what would happen?

1. Ability to play inside mid (win clearances, contested possessions)
2. Ability to play outside mid (link up, overlap run, position to receive)
3. Very good disposal skills
4. Scoreboard impact
5. Pace
6. Strength
7. Football brain
8. Tackling
9. Marking ability
10.Versatility
11. Clean hands (picking up ground level balls)
12. Evasion ability
13. Speed of game (decisive/instinctive, plays on quickly)
14. AFL ready
15. Fitness (endurance)
16. Less likely to leave (local, Carlton fan, expressed desire to play for big Vic club etc)

What score would Taranto, Brodie, Petrevski-Seton, Scrimshaw, Ainsworth and Hayward end up with?

I think SPS would score pretty highly, then Taranto, then Brodie.

Interesting take... but doesnt factor in HOW good they are at each discipline.

Biggest question for mine is; is SPS all round ability and genuine talent worth more than Brodie's complete dominance as an inside mid.

 

[El Topo]

This is the real test, all these blokes have the talent to be stars - Brodie, SPS, Taranto - what will set them apart is discipline, temperament and desire. Whether we pick the right one will indicate whether or not we finally have the personnel/methodology to build a side for number 17.

 

[therubbernub]

Here's the thing though, BF groupthink assessment has been bang on more times than the "professional" recruiters at Carlton. Every year I watch us recruit a player that makes me throw up my hands and wonder why we are so stupid. I haven't been wrong yet, although that's not saying much to be honest because our recruiters are almost never right.

I really am sick of this.

Already writing off the gang of 2015?

 

[GapInIkonPark]

I really like this 1st of 2 Going Places article / interview with SPS. He strikes me as particularly motivated, and just needs the right environment to thrive. Looking forward to the 2nd of 2. (and I think we should get him at 5):

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-...king-of-halls-creek-cowboy-sam-petrevskiseton

 

[gandaal]

Already writing off the gang of 2015?

I believe young teenage Carlton players deserve a chance to show what they've got before people start bitching online.

Really happy with Weitering. Gun. Silvagni has performed above anyone's expectations. The other three have been held back by injury and illness. They'll get their shot next year and hopefully by the end of the year they're all proving themselves to be the young guns we all hope/wish/think they'll be.

 

[coryne]

I really like this 1st of 2 Going Places article / interview with SPS. He strikes me as particularly motivated, and just needs the right environment to thrive. Looking forward to the 2nd of 2. (and I think we should get him at 5):

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-...king-of-halls-creek-cowboy-sam-petrevskiseton

Interesting article. So his home is +8 hours from Perth and he has borded for his high-school??? Sounds like IF there is a go-home factor then he would have the same issue anywhere.....

 

[The Flying Doormat]

Quite the overreaction to my post. See you guys in a couple of years. Ciao

Couple of years!!! Oh well, got the goss on 2017 yet?

 

[Jimmae]

I remember reading an article on him on the AFL (or herald sun..can't remember which) website a week or so ago and at the time he came across as a bit of a suspect character (maybe that's just arrogance/belief in his abilities). Of course this is just an assumption but that's the vibe I was left with. Not going to sit back and character assassinate though and will happily welcome him if we draft him.

I remember a quote with him saying he relished being valued as a top 15 prospect all year, but that's probably the right amount of arrogance to have when part of your future job description is to back your judgement. He also said he'd been studying Bont's game as a model for his position at AFL level, but recognised he was a long way off it.

Now maybe he had a smug grin when giving these answers, but they seem pretty straight forward to me. Hell, he wasn't even the only kid to get the 'next Bont' tag from the media crowd.

If you were to award a point for each of the following desired traits, what would happen?

1. Ability to play inside mid (win clearances, contested possessions)
2. Ability to play outside mid (link up, overlap run, position to receive)
3. Very good disposal skills
4. Scoreboard impact
5. Pace
6. Strength
7. Football brain
8. Tackling
9. Marking ability
10.Versatility
11. Clean hands (picking up ground level balls)
12. Evasion ability
13. Speed of game (decisive/instinctive, plays on quickly)
14. AFL ready
15. Fitness (endurance)
16. Less likely to leave (local, Carlton fan, expressed desire to play for big Vic club etc)

What score would Taranto, Brodie, Petrevski-Seton, Scrimshaw, Ainsworth and Hayward end up with?

Using a simple 1-point system for each attribute, Scrimshaw, Ainsworth and SPS come up trumps in that evaluation. I think a grading system for each criterion would close the gap a little, but that would remain.

 

[KnobHead]

Quite the overreaction to my post. See you guys in a couple of years. Ciao

But half of us will be dead by then

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I think SPS would score pretty highly, then Taranto, then Brodie.

Interesting take... but doesnt factor in HOW good they are at each discipline.

Biggest question for mine is; is SPS all round ability and genuine talent worth more than Brodie's complete dominance as an inside mid.

You could prioritise key abilities with a staggered points system. For me, a genuine midfielder should draw bonus points.

 

[F_therest]

Haywood's value seems to be rising in general. Lots of phantom drafts are including him as a Top 15 selection and he's getting more exposure in the media. With the lack of x-factor in this draft, his value may be inflated and a team may be inclined to select him earlier than on most other occasions.

I'd back the club to do their due diligence, look over his tapes and see if they can see a Top 5 talent. Personally I'd be shocked if SOS went from Haywood over SPS, Taranto or Brodie. The situation really is quite similar to the De Goey scenario, to which he rocketed up the order after a stellar end to the year. I don't really rate De Goey and thought it a reach at the time, but you can see the thinking behind it; get a medium forward with good skills and goal sense and try to turn him into Gary Ablett or Robbie Gray.

If we're going to be experimental I'd rather go down the Scrimshaw path. He seems more likely to excel at AFL level to me. At this stage though, Petrevski-Seton is the most logical choice for production value, talent, upside and positional need.

Purely looking at the 'bolter' aspect there's some every year but it's quite rare for them to bolt right up into the top 5.

De Goey, Oliver and Bontempelli are the only 3 in recent memory for me who gained a lot of media attention only in the last few weeks up to the draft after big finishes to their seasons, like Haywood.

Have to say all of them have shown to be worth their respective picks so far...especially Bont of course. De Goey stalled a bit this year but had a very good first year and i think suffered from his role change in Collingwoods team.

If Haywood can deliver a similar sort of output i'd be satisfied...although those 3 are all midfielders while Haywood is more a medium forward (when we're crying out for midfielders).

Seems to bode well though that he can lift and have big performances in big games under pressure...clubs seem to really rate that.
Didn't Sidebottom kick like 10 goals in the Grand Final before he got drafted?

 

[F_therest]

From what I've read this is similar to how the Bulldogs rank potential draftees. Then they just recruit the players with the biggest score.

I can only image how poor our previous recruiting team were at this sort of analysis.

 

[gandaal]

I can only image how poor our previous recruiting team were at this sort of analysis.

At Carlton they'd have a scale.

5 points for speed.
2 points for ball winning ability.
7 points for height.
1 point for good skills.
80 points for unproven potential to rotate through the midfield.

 

[F_therest]

If you were to award a point for each of the following desired traits, what would happen?

1. Ability to play inside mid (win clearances, contested possessions)
2. Ability to play outside mid (link up, overlap run, position to receive)
3. Very good disposal skills
4. Scoreboard impact
5. Pace
6. Strength
7. Football brain
8. Tackling
9. Marking ability
10.Versatility
11. Clean hands (picking up ground level balls)
12. Evasion ability
13. Speed of game (decisive/instinctive, plays on quickly)
14. AFL ready
15. Fitness (endurance)
16. Less likely to leave (local, Carlton fan, expressed desire to play for big Vic club etc)

What score would Taranto, Brodie, Petrevski-Seton, Scrimshaw, Ainsworth and Hayward end up with?

Good list but you're missing one of the most important traits of all...mental toughness/desire to improve.

Our previous regime clearly neglected this aspect and it was the main cause of our poor recruiting imo....

Guys like Jaksch, Menzel, Bootsma, Yarran, Watson etc all had some nice traits whether it be skills, athleticism, pace etc but all lacked the mental toughness and determination to succeed at AFL level.

 

[F_therest]

At Carlton they'd have a scale.

5 points for speed.
2 points for ball winning ability.
7 points for height.
1 point for good skills.
80 points for unproven potential to rotate through the midfield.

Funny/scary thing is that sounds about right.

I mean seriously, how often do players who play forward or back in juniors turn into A grade AFL midfielders??

Also the complete omission of anything to do with Footy IQ and mental toughness/determination also sounds accurate.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Good list but you're missing one of the most important traits of all...mental toughness/desire to improve.

Our previous regime clearly neglected this aspect and it was the main cause of our poor recruiting imo....

Guys like Jaksch, Menzel, Bootsma, Yarran, Watson etc all had some nice traits whether it be skills, athleticism, pace etc but all lacked the mental toughness and determination to succeed at AFL level.

I don't think these things are gradable by amateur recruiters at this early stage.

 

[gandaal]

Funny/scary thing is that sounds about right.

I mean seriously, how often do players who play forward or back in juniors turn into A grade AFL midfielders??

Also the complete omission of anything to do with Footy IQ and mental toughness/determination also sounds accurate.

Maybe they're after the next Fyfe, Dangerfield or Rockcliff. All three were mainly forwards in their junior year.

But for every Fyfe there's about 20 others who didn't make the grade let alone play AFL footy as a medium forward.

 

[zeeCFC]

Hayward to me in glimpses has caught my eye. He also has that handy ability to get his arms above a tackle and give off the ball. We really need a midfielder with the ball winning ability though - sides are pushing way ahead of us in midfield quality and depth for us to take project types.

I never really thought Brodie's kicking was THAT bad but I suppose those who have watched for a few years now think it's enough to be a liability. Arr0w gets one moral victory for that one.

I like the SPS/Marc Murphy comparison, if we took SPS though I wouldn't mind getting a contested ball beast like Clarke/Fisher in too.

 

[Arr0w]

Hayward to me in glimpses has caught my eye. He also has that handy ability to get his arms above a tackle and give off the ball. We really need a midfielder with the ball winning ability though - sides are pushing way ahead of us in midfield quality and depth for us to take project types.

I never really thought Brodie's kicking was THAT bad but I suppose those who have watched for a few years now think it's enough to be a liability. Arr0w gets one moral victory for that one.

I like the SPS/Marc Murphy comparison, if we took SPS though I wouldn't mind getting a contested ball beast like Clarke/Fisher in too.

I agreed with you regarding Hayward, talented, but has not really shown signs of being a midfielder. Not about moral victories, it's about what is best for the club, the flow on affect is us supporters being happy that we are in an upward trend to sustained finals, big dance, flags.

 

[Lace_Out]

I can't see us taking SPS to be honest. I think we will go for a local lad with our 1st pick. Just a gut feel. There is just no room for error with this pick.

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[BobP]

The more I see of Zac Fisher, the more I'm impressed.

Kid is going to be an absolute beauty.

We'd do well to take him at 25 because he wouldn't be there at our next pick.

 

[Bic]

As soon as Brodie isn't looking to be linked with us, a lot of people start focusing on his negatives and write him off.

Kid will be quality wherever he lands.