List Mgmt. 2016 List Management: Contracts, Trading, Drafting, Academy

[Andre the Giant]

AFL to remove Albury, Murray region from GWS talent academy zone

NEIL CORDY, The Daily Telegraph
November 15, 2016 8:15pm

The AFL has again bowed to pressure from Victorian clubs and is set to remove Albury and the Murray River region from the GWS Giants academy zone from next year.

The move caps a bad couple of days for the AFL’s newest club which has lost Lachie Whitfield to a six-month suspension and is facing draft sanctions over the actions of Whitfield and former Giants officials Graeme Allan and Craig Lambert.

The commission is expected to announce the change to the boundaries on Wednesday after meeting in Melbourne over the past two days.

Wagga Wagga and the surrounding areas of the Riverina are likely to remain as part of the Giants’ talent region.

The change will not affect this year’s draft in which Albury products Will Setterfield, Zach Sproule and Lachlan Tiziani are all potential GWS recruits.

The move is the latest in a succession of rule changes which have effectively watered down the original intention of the academies which was to provide at clear pathway to the AFL for NSW and Queensland footballers in rugby league-dominated states.

Melbourne clubs have argued Albury and the Murray region are Aussie rules strongholds and should not be included in the Giants Academy Zone.

Former Swans captain and now assistant coach Brett Kirk (North Albury) was one of many players from the area the Giants will lose along with Sydney coach John Longmire, who grew up in nearby Corowa. Triple Brownlow medallist Hayden Bunton Jr also came from Albury.

The loss of Albury and Murray region is the latest change to the rules surrounding the northern states academies which have essentially made it harder for the Giants, Sydney Swans, Brisbane Lions and Gold Coast Suns to secure talent from the academy zones which were set up in 2011.

A points bidding system for academy and father-son selections was brought in two years ago and modified again earlier this year.

The AFL also approached Deniliquin talent Todd Marshall six months ago and allowed him to opt out of the academy on a paperwork technicality after initially signing up last year.

The Swans academy has produced two genuine stars in Isaac Heeney and Callum Mills, who won this year’s Rising Star Award. Heeney came from a Rugby league background and Mills grew up playing Rugby Union.

The emergence of these players has been a massive win for the code north of the Murray but has been widely viewed as a negative story in Victoria.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...e/news-story/685c94c6b11116ce2cddd2571eecc21f

 

[Giant Strides]

AFL to remove Albury, Murray region from GWS talent academy zone

NEIL CORDY, The Daily Telegraph
November 15, 2016 8:15pm

Thanks Andre. Just couldn't give you an actual 'like' for the post.
So, AFL has changed something about the academies three times in a year-and-a-half. What's in store for the next iteration in 2017?
Notwithstanding, GWS just needs to focus their energy on the areas that we have. Collingullie seems a little gold mine & should stay in the zone (for now) - keep up the good work there!

 

[OrangeDuck]

Watch the number of talented Riverina juniors coming through the draft plummet in the next few years.

 

[Orange Agent]

Was always gonna happen. Is there a new map out, im interested to see where Wentworth now sits?

 

[captainMyCaptain]

So where lost access to both Spargo and Brander who were likely top 10 draft picks next year, but we still have access to Jack Powell from Canberra and Nathan Richards from the Riverina who are both rated fairly high . But Brander was clearly rated the highest and given clubs were claiming there were question marks on his address, one way or another we were likely going to lose access to him.

 

[dlanod]

I just went through the U16s squad:

Out:

Jarrod BRANDER Wentworth
Ryan BRUCE Yarrawonga SNSW
Doulton LANGLANDS St Pats SNSW
Jack SCHILG Corowa-Rutherglen SNSW
Charlie SPARGO Albury
Lachlan TANNER St Pats SNSW

Riverina (dependent on the border, but probably ok):

Luke CUTHBERT East Wagga Kooringal SNSW
Tyh EVANS Leeton SNSW
Daniel FOLEY Ganmain GGM SNSW
Jake GAYNOR Wagga Tigers SNSW
Matthew McGOWAN Coolamon SNSW
Brendan MYERS Wagga Tigers SNSW
Alex PAECH Walla Walla SNSW (closer to the border than most, so might be out)
Nathan RICHARDS Griffith SNSW
Andrew YATES Henty SNSW

In:

Kieren BRIGGS Pennant Hills Western Sydney
Liam CLOTHIER Narooma South Coast
Matthew EDWARDS Kellyville/Rouse Hill Western Sydney
Benjamin JAMIESON Ainslie ACT
Zac LINDSAY Ainslie ACT
Ben McGINNESS Eastlake ACT
Christian PALOMBI Queanbeyan ACT
Jack POWELL Ainslie ACT
Nicholas SHIPLEY Kellyville/Rouse Hill Western Sydney
Zack SMITH Kellyville/Rouse Hill Western Sydney
Reed STEVENS St Edmunds ACT
James WILLIAMS Marist ACT

 

[Andre the Giant]

The fact its not being brought in slowly makes it unfair. The guys already in should stay in.

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

I just went through the U16s squad:

Out:

Jarrod BRANDER Wentworth
Ryan BRUCE Yarrawonga SNSW
Doulton LANGLANDS St Pats SNSW
Jack SCHILG Corowa-Rutherglen SNSW
Charlie SPARGO Albury
Lachlan TANNER St Pats SNSW

Riverina (dependent on the border, but probably ok):

Luke CUTHBERT East Wagga Kooringal SNSW
Tyh EVANS Leeton SNSW
Daniel FOLEY Ganmain GGM SNSW
Jake GAYNOR Wagga Tigers SNSW
Matthew McGOWAN Coolamon SNSW
Brendan MYERS Wagga Tigers SNSW
Alex PAECH Walla Walla SNSW (closer to the border than most, so might be out)
Nathan RICHARDS Griffith SNSW
Andrew YATES Henty SNSW

In:

Kieren BRIGGS Pennant Hills Western Sydney
Liam CLOTHIER Narooma South Coast
Matthew EDWARDS Kellyville/Rouse Hill Western Sydney
Benjamin JAMIESON Ainslie ACT
Zac LINDSAY Ainslie ACT
Ben McGINNESS Eastlake ACT
Christian PALOMBI Queanbeyan ACT
Jack POWELL Ainslie ACT
Nicholas SHIPLEY Kellyville/Rouse Hill Western Sydney
Zack SMITH Kellyville/Rouse Hill Western Sydney
Reed STEVENS St Edmunds ACT
James WILLIAMS Marist ACT

Sounds like we still have a fair amount to choose from, with still enough left over for others.

What s#*ts me though, is this is a complete knee jerk reaction to something that's actually working.

Riverina, for all its much vaunted "heartland" status hasn't been producing much in the way of anything in a long time. Oh sure, a couple of rookies and a couple of late round speculative pics - some of who turned out to be ok - but certainly no thing to write home about.

Then along we come, tasked with the idea of building football in Western Sydney and rejuvenating and growing it in the regions. We do. But we obviously do it better than they expect. Who knew that putting time effort and resources into something might produce results?

Jesus, our list size is standard. We're never getting more than three or four.

What they are doing - make no mistake - is hindering the development of young footballers in NSW full stop end of story.

You think this only effects the six kids named above? It's all the other kids who go back to clubland and make their mates just that little bit better, laying the groundwork for the next lot to come along after.

You are removing coaching and development resources from young kids on the wrong side of the border because we beat Hawthorn by 75 points and made a preliminary final.

Myopic Vic-**** thinking.

 

[dlanod]

I just went through the U16s squad:

Out:

Jarrod BRANDER Wentworth
Ryan BRUCE Yarrawonga SNSW
Doulton LANGLANDS St Pats SNSW
Jack SCHILG Corowa-Rutherglen SNSW
Charlie SPARGO Albury
Lachlan TANNER St Pats SNSW

Riverina (dependent on the border, but probably ok):

Luke CUTHBERT East Wagga Kooringal SNSW
Tyh EVANS Leeton SNSW
Daniel FOLEY Ganmain GGM SNSW
Jake GAYNOR Wagga Tigers SNSW
Matthew McGOWAN Coolamon SNSW
Brendan MYERS Wagga Tigers SNSW
Alex PAECH Walla Walla SNSW (closer to the border than most, so might be out)
Nathan RICHARDS Griffith SNSW
Andrew YATES Henty SNSW

In:

Kieren BRIGGS Pennant Hills Western Sydney
Liam CLOTHIER Narooma South Coast
Matthew EDWARDS Kellyville/Rouse Hill Western Sydney
Benjamin JAMIESON Ainslie ACT
Zac LINDSAY Ainslie ACT
Ben McGINNESS Eastlake ACT
Christian PALOMBI Queanbeyan ACT
Jack POWELL Ainslie ACT
Nicholas SHIPLEY Kellyville/Rouse Hill Western Sydney
Zack SMITH Kellyville/Rouse Hill Western Sydney
Reed STEVENS St Edmunds ACT
James WILLIAMS Marist ACT

And for the sake of completeness, the following were the NSW/ACT reps in the U17s match and whether they're in the AFL academy, so are viewed in the top 25 or 50 or so talents for next year:

• Charlie Spargo [AFL academy, out]
• Jack Powell [AFL academy, in]
• Brendan Myers [probably in]
• Jarrod Brander [AFL academy, out]
• Alex Paech [probably out]
• Nathan Richards [AFL academy, probably in]

Looks like we lost the top two talents but probably kept two of the next three (Paech gets a few promising write-ups but didn't make the AFL academy).

 

[coniglio_number1]

We must secure as many this year as we can now given that the 2 highest rated are gone.

Setterfield
Perryman
Macreadie
Sproule
Mutch
Garthwaite
Cumming
Fisher
Tiziani
Byrne

The last 3 are likely to be rookies

 

[Andre the Giant]

We must secure as many this year as we can now given that the 2 highest rated are gone.

Setterfield
Perryman
Macreadie
Sproule
Mutch
Garthwaite
Cumming
Fisher
Tiziani
Byrne

The last 3 are likely to be rookies

I agree with this, certainly Sproule and Cumming should be looked at with bids for threm unlikely to cost too much. We must also fight draft sanctions to the death.

 

[kulak]

I hear what you guys are saying.

But at the same time, we will soon get more people drafted from NSW than from SA. That's just about happening with top 30 picks already.

If GWS get an academy which provides them with every pick, I'd like the Crows to get one too...

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

I hear what you guys are saying.

But at the same time, we will soon get more people drafted from NSW than from SA. That's just about happening with top 30 picks already.

If GWS get an academy which provides them with every pick, I'd like the Crows to get one too...

See, that's the thing. Does South Australia, with its long rich history in the sport need a development academy? Why have they fallen so far in terms of quality for the draft? If NSW can produce more to end talent than SA, then there is something drastically wrong with SA development.

Should there be 2 academies run by the crows and port ? Maybe. Got nothing against setting up things elsewhere but it's not necessarily the answer and it's not the only solution.

I know the Vics have the TAC Cup but what are the current pathways for junior talent in SA? What's their equivalent?

 

[coniglio_number1]

SA clubs have the next generation academies. This will bring in players that otherwise wouldn't have played the game.

You already have an academy

 

[Garlic muncher]

Watch the number of talented Riverina juniors coming through the draft plummet in the next few years.

I think you are exactly right, many of those kids missed out on a genuine pathway through the TAC although more than good enough to play.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

According to this our zone hasn't been changed ..... yet that is

GREATER Western Sydney should retain priority access to two top-five players next year, even if the AFL swiftly shrinks the club’s vast academy zone. But the Herald Sun confirmed the AFL had not decided to cut Albury and the Murray River from the Giants’ recruiting area.

Wentworth’s Jarrod Brander and Canberra’s Jack Powell live outside the geographical areas the AFL Commission was reportedly set to remove. As of Wednesday night, the rich GWS academy was safe

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...e/news-story/3ba53cda2408e2c9f44a55c81f2c36c9

 

[coniglio_number1]

According to this our zone hasn't been changed ..... yet that is



http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...e/news-story/3ba53cda2408e2c9f44a55c81f2c36c9

Makes sense. Personally I think anyone who has been in the academy for minimum 5 years should retain eligibility.

 

[dlanod]

According to this our zone hasn't been changed ..... yet that is



http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...e/news-story/3ba53cda2408e2c9f44a55c81f2c36c9

Heh "two top 5 players", and yet Spargo is rated in the top couple as well. Does that mean we have three top five players in our academy?

Yeah, here we go again. Anyone want to guess the picks they'll actually be taken at come next year? I'd say... 5, 18 and 35.

 

[Gigantor]

So the decision starts to firm up simply because it looks like rich pickings in a particular year?

 

[Andre the Giant]

Heh "two top 5 players", and yet Spargo is rated in the top couple as well. Does that mean we have three top five players in our academy?

Yeah, here we go again. Anyone want to guess the picks they'll actually be taken at come next year? I'd say... 5, 18 and 35.

For all Spargo's talent he is 171 cms and not growing. He will be late 2nd round at best.

 

[coniglio_number1]

For all Spargo's talent he is 171 cms and not growing. He will be late 2nd round at best.

I think teams have learnt from the Caleb Daniel mistake

 

[coniglio_number1]

Need to pump 49 more games into mummy as he has announced the birth of his son!

 

[dlanod]

For all Spargo's talent he is 171 cms and not growing. He will be late 2nd round at best.

So you're going early that he'll be the pick 35 in my prediction?

 

[Andre the Giant]

I think teams have learnt from the Caleb Daniel mistake

Possibly but Daniel is a bit of a freak. No doubt some of the small blokes can be v good but a bit like ruckmen they usually get picked later

 

[captainMyCaptain]

Interesting acquisition as well as being a great local talent to join us as a rookie

GWS Giants have arguably the strongest playing list in the AFL and now they’re about to add one of the nation’s premier athletes in former world youth decathlon champion Jake Stein. The Penrith local represented Australia at the Commonwealth Games in Glasgow after becoming the youngest winner of the national decathlon title in 27 years. But a run of injuries and a desire to re-engage with a team sport has the 22-year-old about to take on the sporting challenge of his life at the Giants.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...e/news-story/73ee73a956f9bbaf27b4a2a07e2e6f82