Analysis 2016 List Management Discussion

[Blue_Fusion]

Where did you get that info from?

Caleb says it himself: (@ 1:07)



The ankle injury:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-...ith-caleb-marchbank-out-for-up-to-seven-weeks

and shoulder reconstruction:

http://www.triplem.com.au/melbourne...of-the-season-due-to-shoulder-reconstruction/

 

[Funk]

I hear you but...

Melbourne went on the youth train, by that I mean only take picks in the draft which built a list with 15 players under 21 in there starting side for 2 years. That built a losing culture...

We are not about that. We have to find the 21-23 year olds that will take our youngsters with them, a balanced listed age wise will create culture and a winning feeling.

Is there an O'Meara in this draft, or a weitering or even a Parish????

No.

That's 3 picks done so what's available after that.

Like a said, IF he passes the medical with flying colors, we have a once in a generation player, full stop...

That's what free agents are for - and they are FREE!!

Do not waste 1st round picks on trades!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[thylacine60]

I can see the merit in Shane Edwards. AFL player rankings suggest he is Richmond's 4th best player behind Rance, Martin and Deledio.

Turns 28 in 2 months though.

If we can manufacture Everitt and a 3rd rounder into a late 2nd, I'd do it.

Doubt Richmond would... maybe?

Yarran doesn't seem happy there.

 

[LordLucifer]

I can see the merit in Shane Edwards. AFL player rankings suggest he is Richmond's 4th best player behind Rance, Martin and Deledio.

Turns 28 in 2 months though.

If we can manufacture Everitt and a 3rd rounder into a late 2nd, I'd do it.

Doubt Richmond would... maybe?

I don't understand why Edwards is rated as high as he is.

He's a small forward with questionable kicking skills who can run like the wind but hangs out like a seagull waiting for a chip.

 

[Funk]

I'd give up a 2nd rounder to shut up Robbo too, but apparently he's UFA - Unrestricted F****** Alcoholic...

Potentially "Post Of The Year"!!!!

 

[LordLucifer]

We have to get 'there' as quickly as possible a la Crows, Cats, Swans.

Anyone who thinks 4-5 drafts with early picks is going to create a winning environment is kidding themselves.

2 A graders this year, 3 B graders with later picks/ or bundled with an earlier trade and then our depth is almost where we need it...

Why the hurry ??

We've tried to get "there" as you call it with bandaid solutions, quick-fixes & messiah appointments yet we were as far away from glory as you can get ladder-wise last year.

Build a dynasty, it will take time but it will deliver the rewards.

 

[rp84]

If Richmond is having a fire sale, i want us to try trade for Shane Edwards, was a gun last year (before he broke his leg)

Would adapt well into Bolton's system, I believe

You are literally mental

 

[Cringle]

Do not waste 1st round picks on trades!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep because by trading in a player, you're actually just throwing away your pick. And not getting anything in return.

SOS and the gang would only trade our first rounder if it meant we were getting something better than he expects pick #4-7 to become.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Yep because by trading in a player, you're actually just throwing away your pick. And not getting anything in return.

SOS and the gang would only trade our first rounder if it meant we were getting something better than he expects pick #4-7 to become.

When we were on the bottom back in 07, we traded picks #3, #20 and Josh Kennedy (taken at pick #4) for Judd. While getting Judd was a necessity to boost memberships and hope, in the long run, it didn't get us to where we wanted to be. Reason being was that we were too far away that Judd was not going to carry us to a flag.

We are in a similar situation now. We're still too far away to go giving up our top picks. When we start to climb up the ladder, then we can entice quality players from other clubs and our first round pick will be outside the top 10 so it won't cost us as much. Let's go after the big fish when we are contenders and they will be the final pieces to the puzzle.

We really need to learn from our mistakes, we can't take ourselves out of the first round of the draft in the hope that trades are going to pay off. Marchbank and JOM have been injury plagued. So we try and get them for a combo of second round picks and current players or we walk away.

It's no wonder the Carlton hierarchy have tried to go with band aid, quick as possible solutions to our problems. Our supporter base is far too impatient. SOS and Bolton aren't going to cave in though. Club has already stated that our first round pick is off the table.

 

[Bluey24]

Caleb says it himself: (@ 1:07)



The ankle injury:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-...ith-caleb-marchbank-out-for-up-to-seven-weeks

and shoulder reconstruction:

http://www.triplem.com.au/melbourne...of-the-season-due-to-shoulder-reconstruction/

Nice post.

Marchbank seems like a ripper, leadership written all over him. I want him at Carlton.

 

[goreds]

That's what free agents are for - and they are FREE!!

Do not waste 1st round picks on trades!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

21 year old free agents??? Not seen that yet!!

 

[HARKER]

21 year old free agents??? Not seen that yet!!

O'Meara would be 23 early next year but health being right, that's a possible 10 years of football.

One thing for sure: There is no talent in this draft, comparable to O'Meara. High risk, high reward?..........or is he low risk, high reward, now?

 

[Funk]

Yep because by trading in a player, you're actually just throwing away your pick. And not getting anything in return.

SOS and the gang would only trade our first rounder if it meant we were getting something better than he expects pick #4-7 to become.

Guys like Prestia etc can he recruited through free agency in 2-3 years once the core of younger guys is in place.

Why waste a high pick on them now??

 

[Funk]

21 year old free agents??? Not seen that yet!!

My point was you are suggesting we get in injury prone 21-22 year olds to get maturity onto our list.

IMO this is a ridiculous idea unless they are such a bargain they become worth the risk.

It doesn't appear Prestia or Omeara will fall into this category.

I would rather keep drafting in more Cripps, Weitering and C Curnow types and if we need maturity get more Matthew Wright types.

Any other way seems pretty dumb to me.

I.e. as for the someone's suggestion to be trading our next 2 first round draft picks for an injured guy who hasn't played for 2 years and still has not recovered?

****ing lunacy!

 

[HBF]

GWS comes along and offers us the GWS4 + Ahern and 3 first round picks? for Cripps, our second, the two thirds and whatever we get for Everitt and Casboult.

The question is... would we pull the trigger?

I see your point, but those sort of trades never happen.

 

[HBF]

Nice post.

Marchbank seems like a ripper, leadership written all over him. I want him at Carlton.

So do I, but not for our first round pick.

 

[Soapy V]

id love to have omeara in navy blue. guy is seriously elite. issue is cost and injury. any risks with knee i wouldnt do it and i certainly dont want to give up too much. makes it very hard to do deal. we need so many players to give up 2 first round picks and a heap of money would be wrong. tempting though!

 

[Funk]

id love to have omeara in navy blue. guy is seriously elite. issue is cost and injury. any risks with knee i wouldnt do it and i certainly dont want to give up too much. makes it very hard to do deal. we need so many players to give up 2 first round picks and a heap of money would be wrong. tempting though!

There will be a poor performing club that is under pressure from members and desperate for a "silver bullet" quick fix.

I.e. Essendon/Richmond and they will be prepared to give up much more for JOM than SOS will.

Let them pay up and take the risk - there will be plenty of other fish over the next few years.

 

[Gethelred]

I'm arguing that they're more capable at the position/role than Rowe, and yup, including Firrito in that because of his closing speed vs. Rowe's. You're not going to take someone away from an attacking role unless you absolutely need to shut an opponent down.

No way should we be signing him up on 400k given we'll be hoping to replace him over the next 18 months. I appreciate that he's worked hard all year but he's not some physical freak who can justify his position long term as a pure stopper.

The goals Firrito saves with his closing speed are conceded by his on occasion extremely iffy disposal, his incredible ability to find a way to give his direct opponents free kicks, and that he folds under pressure in the same way Sam Rowe has done in the past. I'm not saying that Sam's the best defender going around, but we could do far worse in his position, given his durability and his size.

 

[Jabba73]

I would trade Cripps to GWS, but only under the following scenario:

All other players from both lists are pooled together.

Carlton then picks its entire squad first, excluding Cripps from the list. The left over players become the new GWS team.



Oh, and they can throw in next years first round pick as well.

 

[Soapy V]

I would trade Cripps to GWS, but only under the following scenario:

All other players from both lists are pooled together.

Carlton then picks its entire squad first, excluding Cripps from the list. The left over players become the new GWS team.



Oh, and they can throw in next years first round pick as well.

I wouldn't do it.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

When we were on the bottom back in 07, we traded picks #3, #20 and Josh Kennedy (taken at pick #4) for Judd. While getting Judd was a necessity to boost memberships and hope, in the long run, it didn't get us to where we wanted to be. Reason being was that we were too far away that Judd was not going to carry us to a flag.

We are in a similar situation now. We're still too far away to go giving up our top picks. When we start to climb up the ladder, then we can entice quality players from other clubs and our first round pick will be outside the top 10 so it won't cost us as much. Let's go after the big fish when we are contenders and they will be the final pieces to the puzzle.

We really need to learn from our mistakes, we can't take ourselves out of the first round of the draft in the hope that trades are going to pay off. Marchbank and JOM have been injury plagued. So we try and get them for a combo of second round picks and current players or we walk away.

It's no wonder the Carlton hierarchy have tried to go with band aid, quick as possible solutions to our problems. Our supporter base is far too impatient. SOS and Bolton aren't going to cave in though. Club has already stated that our first round pick is off the table.

We should have been so much better then what we became but.
We had a midfield of Judd (best player in the comp) and two number one picks and Ruckman who was also a number 1 pick. Fevola and Waite as KPF and Jamison as fullback. Not to mention players like Simpson and Betts ect running around. We also had a lot more very good picks after Judd came but managed to stuff it up. When Judd came we already had the core we stuffed up finding the "cream".

On Marchbank if he nominates us a second should get it done it'll only be about 5 picks outside the first round. The problem I see with the GWS4 trade now is with their academy kids sliding down the ratings they will need near as many points as first thought so I think they'll be chasing future picks

 

[thylacine60]

Can't see a problem with that scenario, Jab.

 

[Soapy V]

Can't see a problem with that scenario, Jab.

Giving up too much. Means SOS blinked

 

[DaVillaBlues]

O'Meara would be 23 early next year but health being right, that's a possible 10 years of football.

One thing for sure: There is no talent in this draft, comparable to O'Meara. High risk, high reward?..........or is he low risk, high reward, now?

Your kidding yourself if you think O'Meara will still be in the league in 10 years time.

I keep saying this, but i reckon his new club would be lucky to get 100 games out of him, he might have more talent than Jesus Christ, but he would miss a month of footy just by sneezing.

A club like St Kilda can afford to take a punt on JOM, but we simply cannot.