2016 Non Crows AFL Discussion thread Part 2

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Fans react to revelations of botched Jaeger O’Meara trade

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HAWTHORN created a social media storm during the season over allegedly favourable umpiring. Now fans think they’re getting a free ride in trades.

The Herald Sun revealed this morning that the AFL had interpreted its own rules on trading future draft picks, allowing the O’Meara deal to go throughin the final minutes of the trade period.

The league said on Wednesday that nothing illegal had taken place based on “the full wording of the rule”.

But spokesman Patrick Keane replied to a fan’s question six hours after the trade deadline saying the Hawks weren’t allowed to trade their own 2017 second-round pick to Gold Coast — the deal the league now says was within the rules.

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Freo: Pope ⚓ @FreoPope

@andrew_54 do we have confirmation if @HawthornFC to@GoldCoastSUNS O'Meara future rd 2 pick was Haw or GWS via Carl? @AFL_PKeane


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@FreoPope It was the GWS future r2 they got via Carl in last 20 mins. couldn't trade their own future r2 after trading out future r1 to StK.

8:45 PM - 20 Oct 2016


Earlier this year the hashtag #freekickhawthorn became a viral online campaign after the Hawks won several close games that involved controversial umpiring calls.

Now it has a post-season counterpart.


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#freepickhawthorn https://twitter.com/superfooty/status/791022270730768384 …

8:15 AM - 26 Oct 2016



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#FreePickHawthorn

10:56 AM - 26 Oct 2016



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@AFL #freetradehawthorn now?

Your code is quite the joke.

9:45 PM - 25 Oct 2016



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"Well it's Hawthorn"

Gillon Mclachlan making a solid point on the Jaeger Trade.

11:42 AM - 26 Oct 2016



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Surely the trade just gets reversed? Otherwise, let's just make this 'making up the rules as we go along' approach official. Why pretend?

7:48 PM - 25 Oct 2016


Sam Landsberger’s exclusive article has attracted more than 200 comments so far and hundreds more on Facebook. A high percentage are a variation of “free kick Hawthorn”, but others show Hawk fans jumping to their team’s defence.


“I love the jealous tears of other supporters ... can almost taste them,” wrote Drty Dan.

Peter added: “Obviously a LOT of people very scared of the Mighty Hawks! Suck it up, we intend to be right back there next year.”

Opposition supporters also railed against deals Hawthorn did with St Kilda and Carlton that paved the way for the O’Meara trade, with several pointing out AFL football operations boss Mark Evans’ previous job was at the Hawks.

Neil has demanded action: “Heads must roll at AFL House and the O’Meara deal must be voided. #FreeKick Hawthorn”

Rip has a plan for action: “A Royal Commission should be formed to investigate AFL favouritism ... I think the head of ASADA should be chairman for a speedy result!”

Alan perhaps summed it up best: “I am sitting here with a friend who has studied quantum physics and we have no idea what the draft rules mean! I suspect no one at the AFL does either.”
 

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Something smelly about future trades

ByBren O'Brien
Posted on October 26, 2016

COMMENT: The AFL has little choice but to conduct a major review and overhaul of the trade and draft system after the ludicrous shenanigans which were allowed to take place under the pretence of trading on deadline day last Thursday.

How can any AFL fan, let alone the AFL clubs and players, have faith in the system as it currently stands after the League admitted its mistakes in the biggest trade deal of the year, which involved Jaeger O’Meara getting to his preferred destination of Hawthorn?

In trying to loosen up the movement of players and picks, the AFL has instead created a system so opaque that no-one, not even the likes of Hawthorn recruiting manager Graham Wright or Geelong’s recruiting guru Stephen Wells, fully understand.

It took days for it to emerge exactly what pick the Hawks had traded away as part of the O’Meara deal, with the AFL admitting it had interpreted its own rule to determine that the trade was legal.

The contention surrounds the AFL trading law which says that if a club trades a future first round pick, it can not trade any further future picks.

The Hawks had already parted way with their future first round pick in a deal with the Saints to swap picks earlier in the trade period, so under the law could not trade their second round 2017 pick as well.

The Hawks themselves admitted that they were struggling to get the O’Meara deal done because of this, but it appeared Carlton had come to their rescue, when the Blues brokered a deal to get three additional draft picks this year for a second-round pick next year (which they had previously acquired from the Giants).

That appeared to smooth the waters for an O’Meara deal with the Hawks able to send pick 10 and that second round 2017 pick acquired from the Blues to Gold Coast for the wantaway Sun.

The AFL’s own trade tracker indicated that was the case, but the Suns and the Hawks felt differently. They had done their deal on the basis it was the Hawks’ own 2017 second round pick which was on the block.

And so it took until Tuesday, five days after the deadline had passed, to confirm who had paid for what. The AFL agreed that the Hawks could trade their own second round pick despite their own law which forbids it.

Confused? You are not the only one.

Stephen Wells has orchestrated some of the best deals of the modern era, but even he is confused about what the regulation around future pick trades involve.

The Geelong recruiting manager spent much of the trade period under the impression that the Cats couldn’t trade any more future picks having already traded out of this year and last year’s first round.




However, while the rule states that a club must use two first-round picks in a rolling four-year period, it technically meant that the Cats could again trade a first rounder, so long as they could secure two picks at a later draft.

The Zach Tuohy deal saw the Cats part with their 2017 first rounder, in a deal where they got back a second rounder next year.

Wells eventually got the deal done, but when even he can’t get his head around the peculiarities of these guidelines, you have to question how effective they are.

It’s a system which ends up encouraging teams to push the boundaries, but when it takes the AFL four days to work out where those boundaries are, it’s hard to have faith that it is working.

These rules were put in place to protect the clubs from trading away their futures, for short-term gain, but in an open market, surely, it’s a case of buyer beware.

The AFL needs to draw a line now and either end the trading a future picks, or open it up completely.
 

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Port posters excited about playing a game in China, thanks for the lols. Priceless.

FYI Port, Im almost definite that our Club has actually played an AFL match outside of Australia well before your Club did.

I think its an awful decision to be playing a game during the H&A season with the travel factor being massive both before and after. I expect this to be a disruptive event in their season.
 

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The whole trading period has been a joke

Geelong being allowed to trade future 1st round picks even though the rules said they couldn't, the Hawthorn trade fiasco with O'Meara and the AFL giving extra time to Calrton and Hawthorn to get the O'Meara and Marchbank deals to get done.

Gill is spineless and comes across as a very weak and apathetic leader, the clubs appear to realise this and the tail is starting to wag the dog.

As much as we didn't like Vlad at least he had some conviction and didn't have a problem stamping his authority and making a decision.

The new regime is a joke, Gill can't even make a decision on Watson's brownlow medal. They had 12 months to make a decision as to what would happen if the Essendon appeal failed yet here we are months later and the AFL still hasn't made a decision on it yet.
Word.

And at least one of those rulings made it harder for us to get gibbs. You can bet we wouldn't have been given extra time for a deal.

And they expect Jobe to justify why he should keep it. There is no justification, just make the decision ffs.
 

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I noticed that even though it will be a Suns home game, it's all about Port. Logo first, listed as Port vs Gold Coast...

Does this mean we can now buy away games and move them to neutral venues?

Anyway, 14 hour flights each way, plus check-in etc. no thanks. Hopefully we play them the week they return.
 
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Lol, the AFL are treating the average AFL supporter like they have the IQ of the AFL CEO.

This full wording/clarification of the rule was added after the trade period. If it truely is about "net value", then how can the AFL guarantee that the Hawks future 2nd rounder will be the same or more value as GWS's 2nd rounder using their own points system? They can't unless they already know next year's finishing order...
That's because the AFL are just inventing the rules on the fly.

Last year on trade radio they spent ages going through the official rules of trade week as defined by the AFL

Last year after Geelong traded their 2015 and 2016 first rounders they clarfied on Trade Radio that Geelong will now can only trade first round picks provided that have at least two 1st round picks banked.

Yet now the AFL had done a 180 and allowed Geelong to trade their 2017 pick on the basis that it has to have two first round picks by the end of 2018. Considering that Geelong now only have 1 first round pick banked (2018), what is going to happen if Geelong are unable to source a trade in 17 or 18 for an additional first round pick ?

Hawthorn is another where the rule have changed the rules on the fly rather than stick to their original ruling on the rules.
 

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FYI Port, Im almost definite that our Club has actually played an AFL match outside of Australia well before your Club did.
That's nice, this however is the first AFL game for Premiership points outside of Aus/NZ. Who knows if it'll last or be successful, but it's worth a crack and it's not costing us a whole lot.
 

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Is this a dig or?
#carn you guys should know we both contractually must have 11 home games at Adelaide Oval.
That doesn't really fly when you were contractually obligated to play 11 games at AAMI Stadium in 2011, and yet were able to move one to Adelaide Oval.
 

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Why is it worth a crack though?
Because for very little financial risk (it's pretty much funded by a Chinese sponsor) it opens up sponsorship and media opportunities, and helps expand the game over there. There's a reason large leagues like the NFL and NBA are looking at expanding into China, it's a massive un-tapped resource that'll benefit everyone if it works.
 

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Because for very little financial risk (it's pretty much funded by a Chinese sponsor) it opens up sponsorship and media opportunities, and helps expand the game over there. There's a reason large leagues like the NFL and NBA are looking at expanding into China, it's a massive un-tapped resource that'll benefit everyone if it works.
If that's the case how is the AFL going to compete with the NFL and NBA? Apart from the good of the game, what does Port get out of it? Sponsorship and media opportunities after one, two, ten games... how much pay off is there really?
 

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Port posters excited about playing a game in China, thanks for the lols. Priceless.

FYI Port, Im almost definite that our Club has actually played an AFL match outside of Australia well before your Club did.

I think its an awful decision to be playing a game during the H&A season with the travel factor being massive both before and after. I expect this to be a disruptive event in their season.
They get their bye after the match - wait for the squealing that it's too early in the season for their bye and that other clubs benefit from a break in the middle of the year.

I would hate ...absolutely hate ....if AFC did this.
I love ....absolutely love ... that Port are.
 

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If that's the case how is the AFL going to compete with the NFL and NBA? Apart from the good of the game, what does Port get out of it? Sponsorship and media opportunities after one, two, ten games... how much pay off is there really?
Well since the Chinese government has just announced that a version of Australian Rules football be introduced into the curriculum at schools across the nation, the pay off is substantial.

But don't worry, it's just a sideshow according to your CEO.
 

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Because for very little financial risk (it's pretty much funded by a Chinese sponsor) it opens up sponsorship and media opportunities, and helps expand the game over there. There's a reason large leagues like the NFL and NBA are looking at expanding into China, it's a massive un-tapped resource that'll benefit everyone if it works.
Why didn't it work for Saints in NZ?
London games, games in US .....none of them created anything more than passing interest.
 

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Well since the Chinese government has just announced that a version of Australian Rules football be introduced into the curriculum at schools across the nation, the pay off is substantial.

But don't worry, it's just a sideshow according to your CEO.
A version.... what ? Like the Irish hybrid game that's doing so well....that kind of "version"?
"Sideshow" is being complimentary I think
 

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Well since the Chinese government has just announced that a version of Australian Rules football be introduced into the curriculum at schools across the nation, the pay off is substantial.

But don't worry, it's just a sideshow according to your CEO.
You and the Chinese government would get along well.
 

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If that's the case how is the AFL going to compete with the NFL and NBA? Apart from the good of the game, what does Port get out of it? Sponsorship and media opportunities after one, two, ten games... how much pay off is there really?
You don't know until you try :thumbsu:

I'm sure you guys will have a crack at us with your 20/20 hindsight if it doesn't go anywhere, other clubs have tried and failed before, but at worst we get a few people to the game, the AFL comp over there gets a bit of exposure, and we might score a few members thanks to the streams of students coming from that part of the world. At best............. who knows, but there's a lot of money and a lot of people in that region, I'm not sure how taking a free-hit at them is a bad thing.
 
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