2016 Non Crows AFL Discussion thread Part 2

[OneGreatClub]

Do you.

Explain it to us....

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It has taken me awhile to understand it fully. You would need to do your own research, but I doubt you are interested enough. It's fascinating and out of the square type thinking. In time, all will be revealed.

 

[GROTTO]

Funny that, considering we have some of the biggest Community programmes in the AFL.

Does it involve educating your supporters to not throw bananas at opposition players?

 

[Crowked]

It has taken me awhile to understand it fully. You would need to do your own research, but I doubt you are interested enough. It's fascinating and out of the square type thinking. In time, all will be revealed.

Hahaha
Code for NFI

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

You are demonstrating that you don't understand the China strategy at all.

So you came on to this board to tell us we don't undertand.

Let's keep this simple. What is in this for Port Adelaide long term? I can't see you converting a stack of Chinese people to become interested in the AFL... so I just can't see how this will work to your benefit long term.

Explain what I'm missing?

 

[Geoffa32]

It has taken me awhile to understand it fully. You would need to do your own research, but I doubt you are interested enough. It's fascinating and out of the square type thinking. In time, all will be revealed.

So you don't.

I have a mate who owns a business who has been able to open a dialogue with a Chinese importer thanks to the work of your club.

He was invited to one of your luncheons in Hong Kong and was able to apply for a state government grant as he was able to secure an agreement after having a face to face meeting with the importer.

Your club will get nothing from this. But his product, wine, will be sold over there and the freight is subsidised on Cathy Pacific. All because he was invited to one of your luncheons in Hong Kong.


On a macro level this partnership between your club, the SA Government and the business communities of Shanghai and Hong Kong is great and worthwhile. Our state needs more partnerships like this to get boutique businesses in touch with large export markets. In particular China who has the largest growing middle class demographic in the world.

But in terms of getting you a Premiership. That is not even a consideration that Kochie has.




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[fabs33]

You were right the first time:

"CATHAY Pacific will become a new premier partner of Port Adelaide and its official international airline partner from 2017."

But China is just a waste of time, right guys?

Was Cathay Pacific's bargain basement sponsorship your frequent flyer's reward?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

It has taken me awhile to understand it fully. You would need to do your own research, but I doubt you are interested enough. It's fascinating and out of the square type thinking. In time, all will be revealed.

So you don't really know & just hot air.

If you really could demonstrate the benefits your would be bragging about... but as it is, you are just providing mumbo jumbo words like a politician who has no idea of their policy.

 

[ad victoriam]

Anywhere the work is commoditised.

Family friendly has nothing to do with rostering, but it is a reason in the business case to do away with shift loadings and move to a flat rate, as it disadvantages those who can't work unsociable shifts. Fairness is as much about removing unfairness

In terms of rostering, works much better where it's not based on shifts but on an aggregated, permanent jobs centred around fixed hours. Rough with the smooth. So for example could be 35 hours 5/7. They work the same hours each week, or on rota of any 5 days in a 7 day week on a 3 week cycle perhaps? 1 weekend in 3 or 4. Others can alternate early versus lates, day vs night whatever. Depends on function, business needs, seasonality etc

The thing is everyone pitches in, all equal, no one gets all the easy shifts no one gets all the crap ones. Though you try to accommodate personal preference, fact is everyone takes their turn.

If no one is raking in big money for 1/2 the work, people accept it a lot easier.

I'm not going to say too much about it, but I'm doing something in healthcare at the moment, where everyone wants work Saturday and Sunday because they can make as much in those 2 days as people working regular 5 days Mon to Friday, to the point no one wants to work M-F. which means you break it down into smaller pieces so you're not held to random and still you can't staff it.

This came about because no one wanted to work shitty Sunday shifts so they kept raising the rates and it didn't work. It didn't attract any new staff, the old staff jumped on the new rates and left the old shifts alone. The people taking the weekend rates are always and inevitably the troublemakers and low performers as well so it's doubly galling

Give more work to less people, more security, flat rate, longer shifts, shared rotating rota. The penalty rate scabs get shown the door, and the people remaining will be better rewarded with security, more hours, but they have to share the load. Builds cohesive teams too.

Also works well with covering absence.

But anyway this is a very dull subject matter

The old continental shift revamped, public sector and service industries work well in those areas actually very well. Also industries that use casuals and part-time workers.
But does have some issue's in the 5-day situation and private sectors. ie remove the weekends from the problem and it creates a different set of rules.
Industries where you need a select group of skills to run the place or keep it running. Not every industry work thru the weekend.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

So you don't.

I have a mate who owns a business who has been able to open a dialogue with a Chinese importer thanks to the work of your club.

He was invited to one of your luncheons in Hong Kong and was able to apply for a state government grant as he was able to secure an agreement after having a face to face meeting with the importer.

Your club will get nothing from this. But his product, wine, will be sold over there and the freight is subsidised on Cathy Pacific.

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I can see politically why the SA & federal governments were keen to enhance business relationships between the 2 countries.

But do Port really think they will gain a mass following from Chinese people in the long term? Just can't see the benefits for Port myself.

 

[I Lost My Keays]

You can tell by their responses to China that the natives are getting restless

Lay off the alcohol buddy

 

[Elite Crow]

It has taken me awhile to understand it fully. You would need to do your own research, but I doubt you are interested enough. It's fascinating and out of the square type thinking. In time, all will be revealed.

How much did Janus charge your for this "understanding"?

 

[Geoffa32]

I can see politically why the SA & federal governments were keen to enhance business relationships between the 2 countries.

But do Port really think they will gain a mass following from Chinese people in the long term? Just can't see the benefits for Port myself.

The x number of Chinese people supporting the game and supposedly buying memberships is a story for the simpletons. As is the few thousand Cathay Pacific will pay as a premier partner of the PAFC. For them the real carrot is the freight business as our businesses begin exporting to China on a grander scale.

Kochie's passion is Asian/Australian economic synergy. Our state government have got on board and he now has a vehicle to put it in place.



Kochie let on his real thoughts when he compared the PAFC to the Harlem Globetrotters....

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[GROTTO]

Lay off the alcohol buddy

Lay off mate with the cheap shots, it probably was Centrelink pay day this week for him, its when they can afford the alcohol.

 

[beartoo]

Lay off mate with the cheap shots, it probably was Centrelink pay day this week for him, its when they can afford the alcohol.

And they drink cheap shots?

 

[Janus]

The x number of Chinese people supporting the game and supposedly buying memberships is a story for the simpletons. As is the few thousand Cathay Pacific will pay as a premier partner of the PAFC. For them the real carrot is the freight business as our businesses begin exporting to China on a grander scale.

Kochie's passion is Asian/Australian economic synergy. Our state government have got on board and he now has a vehicle to put it in place.



Kochie let on his real thoughts when he compared the PAFC to the Harlem Globetrotters....

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100k as a premier partner plus contra in the form of flights to and from China that the club doesn't have to pay for anymore. So the operational expenses of the China strategy just got a lot cheaper.

But yes, the real sponsorships will come in the form of Australian and Chinese companies who want to establish export markets. As more and more blue chip companies like Cathay get on board, the perception of the brand as a vehicle to stimulate growth in a key market also increases. Parmalat, for example, stepped up their sponsorship when Energy Australia downgraded because they want to market their protein milk drinks (Oak Plus) into the Chinese market and it was free exposure for that while they paid for the exposure in Australia.

Doing business in any Asian country is more about perception than any other place on earth. And we are creating a gateway to China through our business programs and sponsorships. Which is what it's really all about.

 

[Brentmeister]

Funny that, considering we have some of the biggest Community programmes in the AFL.

"Some of the biggest". What a vague and pointless comment. Tell me. Why is your franchise selling out to China instead of investing in on-field performance? Your mob have completely lost sight of what's important.

 

[Jello_B]

So you don't.

I have a mate who owns a business who has been able to open a dialogue with a Chinese importer thanks to the work of your club.

He was invited to one of your luncheons in Hong Kong and was able to apply for a state government grant as he was able to secure an agreement after having a face to face meeting with the importer.

Your club will get nothing from this. But his product, wine, will be sold over there and the freight is subsidised on Cathy Pacific. All because he was invited to one of your luncheons in Hong Kong.


On a macro level this partnership between your club, the SA Government and the business communities of Shanghai and Hong Kong is great and worthwhile. Our state needs more partnerships like this to get boutique businesses in touch with large export markets. In particular China who has the largest growing middle class demographic in the world.

But in terms of getting you a Premiership. That is not even a consideration that Kochie has.




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Not here to taunt, I agree that SA needs to develop these types of relationships to stay relevant. If Port are enabling this to happen then surely you would agree that what Port is doing is worthwhile.
In regards to the premiership, I am not sure China is designed for that, and wether the game overseas will reduce our chance of a premiership I can only wait and see.

 

[Pea Nut]

It's great to see club insiders and members of the Port Adelaide Football Club's financial team posting on here. What an insight !!

 

[Papa G]

Does having 10 local Toyota dealerships giving you cash in return for corporate junkets at AO and West Lakes win you premierships? Does it help sell more Camrys? Camry sales are trending down and you haven't made a Grand Final since 1998. I mean what's the point??

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Does having 10 local Toyota dealerships giving you cash in return for corporate junkets at AO and West Lakes win you premierships? Does it help sell more Camrys? Camry sales are trending down and you haven't made a Grand Final since 1998. I mean what's the point??

Toyota are a major player in the Australian car market. They are advertising their brand with the biggest club in SA.

What are the benefits of playing in China for Port? Cathay are picking up the transport costs you would not have had playing in Australia. What are the long term benefits to Port, as it won't be millions of Chinese following the power?

 

[Pea Nut]

 

[Pdub]

Does having 10 local Toyota dealerships giving you cash in return for corporate junkets at AO and West Lakes win you premierships?

No, but it helps onfield more than it hurts.

Does it help sell more Camrys?

Probably, but we're not sponsored by Camry, we're sponsored by Toyota.

Camry sales are trending down and you haven't made a Grand Final since 1998.

Probably because Toyota wants to use the exposure to sell all their cars now, not just one.

Top ten brands August 2016

1. Toyota — 18,560 (up 28.6 per cent)
2. Mazda — 9258 (up 1 per cent)
3. Holden — 7667 (down 2.6 per cent)
4. Ford — 6849 (up 27.9 per cent)
5. Hyundai — 6536 (down 31.2 per cent)
6. Mitsubishi — 6136 (up 10.1 per cent)
7. Nissan — 5616 (up 18.7 per cent)
8. Volkswagen — 3893 (down 18.8 per cent)
9. Kia — 3710 (up 26.2 per cent)
10. Subaru — 3362 (even)

Double the nearest competitor, up 28.6% I don't call that "trending down".

 

[Pdub]

100k as a premier partner plus contra in the form of flights to and from China that the club doesn't have to pay for anymore. So the operational expenses of the China strategy just got a lot cheaper.

The AFL would have covered all transport and accommodation costs for china. All this does is make it cheaper for Port to send Rucci over in exchange for a few fluff pieces for you to add to your **nods head** thread.

It makes it cheaper for Kochie to go over and act like the big business CEO he's always wished he was. It makes it cheaper to send Burgo over there to show some Chinese kids how to kick a football when he should be taking pre-season training and meeting the new draftees when they come to the club, instead of leaving it to the volunteer football inflator to greet them.

 

[kirky]

Personally, would have thought going to India would make more sense - especially culturally.

Doesn't matter, would always support Qantas over Cathay Pacific any rate.

Kochie isn't going to stay with PAFC forever, this is probably one of his business strategies post presidency.

 

[Elite Crow]

Does having 10 local Toyota dealerships giving you cash in return for corporate junkets at AO and West Lakes win you premierships? Does it help sell more Camrys? Camry sales are trending down and you haven't made a Grand Final since 1998. I mean what's the point??

Are you really trying to be ignorant?