2016 Non Crows AFL Discussion thread Part 2

[fabs33]

Does having 10 local Toyota dealerships giving you cash in return for corporate junkets at AO and West Lakes win you premierships? Does it help sell more Camrys? Camry sales are trending down and you haven't made a Grand Final since 1998. I mean what's the point??

The bright side of that is that we haven't humiliated ourselves in one either.

 

[Papa G]

Are you really trying to be ignorant?

No I'm not trying to fit in.

 

[Pdub]

No I'm not trying to fit in.

The old Switcheroo.

 

[Lockhart Road]

So you don't.

I have a mate who owns a business who has been able to open a dialogue with a Chinese importer thanks to the work of your club.

He was invited to one of your luncheons in Hong Kong and was able to apply for a state government grant as he was able to secure an agreement after having a face to face meeting with the importer.

Your club will get nothing from this. But his product, wine, will be sold over there and the freight is subsidised on Cathy Pacific. All because he was invited to one of your luncheons in Hong Kong.

On a macro level this partnership between your club, the SA Government and the business communities of Shanghai and Hong Kong is great and worthwhile. Our state needs more partnerships like this to get boutique businesses in touch with large export markets. In particular China who has the largest growing middle class demographic in the world.

But in terms of getting you a Premiership. That is not even a consideration that Kochie has.

As I was personally involved in organising those business luncheons in Hong Kong in May 2014 and April 2015 (ANZAC Centenary Luncheon) what you've told me in your post has made my day better than it already is. Anecdotes like yours, re your mate who benefitted from our initiative, are exactly what we set out to create. Great news. Thanks a lot.

As far as premierships based on China are concerned that's a convenient red herring. It's Hinkley's job to win the premierships. It's the China Strategy's job ro ensure the financial stablity of what was a financially unstable club when he was recruited ... and provide him with the necessary budget with which to do his job. If he can't, he's out, and someone else comes in to take over.
Should that happen, the China Strategy remains intact as does its purpose - which is to grow the game, expand the spin-offs and thus grow the football budget ... partly by making successful businessmen out of people like your mate and having him spread the word and, if he chooses and is able to at some stage, make his own contribution to the project.
The Bible said something about casting bread upon the water on the ebb tide ... and deservedly having it multiply and flow back to you when the tide comes in, as it always does. That's Confucianism, sort of, too. Maybe even Buddhism. That's all fine, you'll be thinking, provided that you've got enough bread to start with, the right brand of bread, provided you've chucked it in the right place, not too far out and not too close to shore, at the right moment in time, and that you have enough time to wait for the next incoming tide, whenever it inevitably arrives.

You also mentioned Kochie. That's another red herring. Most of his work in China as Club chairman is done and he's now focused on other projects, for example inside AFL House where he's in his element.
There is now a fully-fledged team at both ends of the Strategy making it work ... better and better each day - like today. It wasn't Kochie who closed Cathay Pacific, with whom we've been in touch since immediately after that first Hong Kong Business Lunch in May 2014. and with whom the deal is much more than you will believe. The closer was a new Club executive with 15 years Hong Kong, China and Asian experience who was recruited a little over a month ago.

So there ... I've explained the PAFC China Strategy in simple language. It's about three things: goodwill, good timing and growth.

You have a golden opportunity to do something similar, over the next five years, with your Women's AFL initiative. The parameters are the same. Go for it, and good luck. You have an open paddock to get started in. Focus not on what we are doing in China. Focus on your own backyard. Women's AFL. Fages will love you for it. It should be impossible for him to screw it up.

 

[Elite Crow]

No I'm not trying to fit in.

So your naturally ignorant

 

[footy4ever]

It's funny that the same posters who believe the "Crows = corporation, Port = suburban club" line are the same posters who want to brag about International Airline partners and love that their club spends more energy on Chinese business than it does on being a football club that is successful onfield.

But congrats, this massive international corporation is now a sponsor for your club on the same level as 5aa, we must be talking about 10s of dollars that could possibly put next year's profit into the $15k range.

Baa ha ha ha ha - gold.



CHINA!

 

[footy4ever]

Kochie let on his real thoughts when he compared the PAFC to the Harlem Globetrotters....

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Well yes that, and he's delusional.

 

[BACCS]

"So, Dane, did you ever make that payment dictated by the court to the bloke you bashed so hard he got brain damage, when you went out drunk with your mates at the beginning of your career?"

Hmmm.

I suggest you read his autobiography if you still believe that. I know it may be biased, but it's not like the media reporting on it are neutral observers without an agenda. That incident also cost him well over 200k over the next 8 years as well.

 

[Paladin]

I suggest you read his autobiography if you still believe that. I know it may be biased, but it's not like the media reporting on it are neutral observers without an agenda. That incident also cost him well over 200k over the next 8 years as well.

What was his take on the incident? Innocent bystander?

 

[GreyCrow]

100k as a premier partner plus contra in the form of flights to and from China that the club doesn't have to pay for anymore. So the operational expenses of the China strategy just got a lot cheaper.

Agreed. Just had a quick look, and not knowing how many players and staff ( assume 40) its a $40,0000 benefit. But something tells me the AFL would have picked up this bill anyway , correct?

On the $100,000 figure. Where is this from. I didn't see it on the PAFC website.

 

[hey shorty]

I love how they call it 'The China Strategy' like it's some kind of military operations.

 

[GreyCrow]

No, but it helps onfield more than it hurts.


Probably, but we're not sponsored by Camry, we're sponsored by Toyota.


Probably because Toyota wants to use the exposure to sell all their cars now, not just one.

Top ten brands August 2016

1. Toyota — 18,560 (up 28.6 per cent)
2. Mazda — 9258 (up 1 per cent)
3. Holden — 7667 (down 2.6 per cent)
4. Ford — 6849 (up 27.9 per cent)
5. Hyundai — 6536 (down 31.2 per cent)
6. Mitsubishi — 6136 (up 10.1 per cent)
7. Nissan — 5616 (up 18.7 per cent)
8. Volkswagen — 3893 (down 18.8 per cent)
9. Kia — 3710 (up 26.2 per cent)
10. Subaru — 3362 (even)

Double the nearest competitor, up 28.6% I don't call that "trending down".

I don't see Renault on that list.

 

[hey shorty]

I don't see Renault on that list.

Technically Nissan and Renault are one and the same (I think).

 

[GreyCrow]

I am not an International Traveller so I could be well out on this. I had a look at prices for my above post, saw return flights ex Adelaide to Shanghai in May next year $1000. 4 nights at HoJos ?? plus 2 tours plus entry to the AFL game .

What price?

This site is offering the above for $2744

 

[hey shorty]

Sounds about right.

 

[GreyCrow]

As far as premierships based on China are concerned that's a convenient red herring. It's Hinkley's job to win the premierships. It's the China Strategy's job ro ensure the financial stablity of what was a financially unstable club when he was recruited ... and provide him with the necessary budget with which to do his job. If he can't, he's out, and someone else comes in to take over.
Should that happen, the China Strategy remains intact as does its purpose - which is to grow the game, expand the spin-offs and thus grow the football budget ... partly by making successful businessmen out of people like your mate and having him spread the word and, if he chooses and is able to at some stage, make his own contribution to the project.

Unlike others I admit I am ignorant of the finer details , but where is this budget coming from? I understand Gui is spending all his money in China. Certainly benefitting the China Strategy but its China based. Cathay Pacific. Where is their money? A few free flights wont help the bottom line.

You have made the comment ''grow the game, expand the spin offs and grow the football budget''

How? What are the direct spin offs that put money in the PAFC football budget? I continue to hear of all these riches but , ignorance aside, I haven't been shown where the benefit is , apart from some hipster talk of '' everyone wins''

 

[Iron]

100k as a premier partner plus contra in the form of flights to and from China that the club doesn't have to pay for anymore. So the operational expenses of the China strategy just got a lot cheaper.

But yes, the real sponsorships will come in the form of Australian and Chinese companies who want to establish export markets. As more and more blue chip companies like Cathay get on board, the perception of the brand as a vehicle to stimulate growth in a key market also increases. Parmalat, for example, stepped up their sponsorship when Energy Australia downgraded because they want to market their protein milk drinks (Oak Plus) into the Chinese market and it was free exposure for that while they paid for the exposure in Australia.

Doing business in any Asian country is more about perception than any other place on earth. And we are creating a gateway to China through our business programs and sponsorships. Which is what it's really all about.

Thought it was all about premierships.

 

[Crow Envy]

I love how they call it 'The China Strategy' like it's some kind of military operations.

When you have nothing you have to cling to whatever you can. This strategy won't help them win games of football, it will have the opposite effect.

 

[Swooping Crow]

Does having 10 local Toyota dealerships giving you cash in return for corporate junkets at AO and West Lakes win you premierships? Does it help sell more Camrys? Camry sales are trending down and you haven't made a Grand Final since 1998. I mean what's the point??

Does waving a scarf compensate for your insignificant trivial petty life? Does your franchise selling themselves to China make you feel like someone finally loves you? Does having a silly fellow as your president make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside?

 

[Geoffa32]

Not here to taunt, I agree that SA needs to develop these types of relationships to stay relevant. If Port are enabling this to happen then surely you would agree that what Port is doing is worthwhile.
In regards to the premiership, I am not sure China is designed for that, and wether the game overseas will reduce our chance of a premiership I can only wait and see.

It is very worthwhile. I am far from a Jay (Our Premier) fan, but this is good for our state and all the small businesses that are involved and have a chance to meet with Chinese investment and importers will benefit. Hence I have no issue with the SA Government.

But I would not want my footy club to be involved and waste resources. I pay for a membership to watch my teams win games of Footy. Not be a vehicle for such a scheme, regardless of how worthwile it is.



Surely you would want to see more for your club after four years of resources (not just financial) being used on this project than a Premier Partner? Especially given the on field results in the last two years as the China Project has been ramped up, and on field results have fallen away.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Is Premier Jay a new premier sponsor for Port? Ie. Funding some of this China experiment with taxpayer $'s to improve business relations with China.

 

[Geoffa32]

As I was personally involved in organising those business luncheons in Hong Kong in May 2014 and April 2015 (ANZAC Centenary Luncheon) what you've told me in your post has made my day better than it already is. Anecdotes like yours, re your mate who benefitted from our initiative, are exactly what we set out to create. Great news. Thanks a lot.

As far as premierships based on China are concerned that's a convenient red herring. It's Hinkley's job to win the premierships. It's the China Strategy's job ro ensure the financial stablity of what was a financially unstable club when he was recruited ... and provide him with the necessary budget with which to do his job. If he can't, he's out, and someone else comes in to take over.
Should that happen, the China Strategy remains intact as does its purpose - which is to grow the game, expand the spin-offs and thus grow the football budget ... partly by making successful businessmen out of people like your mate and having him spread the word and, if he chooses and is able to at some stage, make his own contribution to the project.
The Bible said something about casting bread upon the water on the ebb tide ... and deservedly having it multiply and flow back to you when the tide comes in, as it always does. That's Confucianism, sort of, too. Maybe even Buddhism. That's all fine, you'll be thinking, provided that you've got enough bread to start with, the right brand of bread, provided you've chucked it in the right place, not too far out and not too close to shore, at the right moment in time, and that you have enough time to wait for the next incoming tide, whenever it inevitably arrives.

You also mentioned Kochie. That's another red herring. Most of his work in China as Club chairman is done and he's now focused on other projects, for example inside AFL House where he's in his element.
There is now a fully-fledged team at both ends of the Strategy making it work ... better and better each day - like today. It wasn't Kochie who closed Cathay Pacific, with whom we've been in touch since immediately after that first Hong Kong Business Lunch in May 2014. and with whom the deal is much more than you will believe. The closer was a new Club executive with 15 years Hong Kong, China and Asian experience who was recruited a little over a month ago.

So there ... I've explained the PAFC China Strategy in simple language. It's about three things: goodwill, good timing and growth.

You have a golden opportunity to do something similar, over the next five years, with your Women's AFL initiative. The parameters are the same. Go for it, and good luck. You have an open paddock to get started in. Focus not on what we are doing in China. Focus on your own backyard. Women's AFL. Fages will love you for it. It should be impossible for him to screw it up.

So basically this project is more about hope that the PAFC will benefit, than will.


The business and economics of it are sound, just personally don't see how you club will actually benefit ona scale to match the club resources used.


I feel sorry for the rank and file supporters expecting real outcomes from this. The people who stuck by the club when times were tough and the goal was to win games of footy, not be a conduit between economies and build business relationships that are unlikely to provide real inflows to the club.


Then again, maybe us Crowies can sit back and watch the AFL team slide into the abyss while the admin has their head in the air and talk down to people who question it.

As you have done here, Emperor Lockhart Road.



And yes you talk about our involvement in Womans Footy being a possible commercial venture. And it could be, but my first thought about that venture is that girls who play the game as kids now know that they can continue playing at a decent level if good enough when they are adults.

It it is about providing a reason for girls to stay in the game and not being told they can no longer play at a level higher than amateur just because their hormones have kicked in..........

 

[Sanders]

You are demonstrating that you don't understand the China strategy at all.

Few people would understand the nuances and complexities of international corporate strategy like you though

 

[Sanders]

The old continental shift revamped, public sector and service industries work well in those areas actually very well. Also industries that use casuals and part-time workers.
But does have some issue's in the 5-day situation and private sectors. ie remove the weekends from the problem and it creates a different set of rules.
Industries where you need a select group of skills to run the place or keep it running. Not every industry work thru the weekend.

What?

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Saturday morning before Xmas
No Chairman
No CEO
No Captain
No execs from Cathay Pacific

Premier Partner my arse