2016 Non Crows AFL Discussion thread Part 2

[GreyCrow]

I could point you to countless articles which explain the need to build up cardiovascular endurance so you can fuel functional strength. The more weight you carry, the harder the heart has to work in order to pump blood around the body, the quicker you fatigue. The only way to fix that is one of two things - either you strip off weight (which is why marathon runners are always skinny) or you increase your endurance and then build up functional strength to a level that your cardiovascular system can support without muscle fatigue.

Have you seen the articles about why Aussie Rules players in the 80s and 90s went about it wrong was too much muscle? I agree you shouldn't build muscle when your body shape cant carry it. The latest idea is for players over 30 to strip the KGs to prevent this fatigue occurring.

I think 3km time trials were great for football when there was a policy of where if you interchange, you can't return to the field. When players had to stay out there all the time and so needed to prove that they could run for a medium distance at a certain level. With rotations, it's absolutely pointless, and we proved that last year because last year we thought endurance was the key with everyone posting great 3km times and we got flogged at the start of the year by sides who were pushing harder than us.

But they still have a role as measurable devices for when the club doesn't have the players. Why is it the 1st things clubs do? To see if the players have been lazy over the break. It has its function as a discipline measure. But you have grown it into this amazing thinking by your fitness staff.

But what would Burgess and McKeown know...they are only in the top 100 of the best sport scientists in the world. Our strength and conditioning coach Mladen Jovanovic who sadly had to leave to return to Serbia was in there too.

No doubt they are at the top of the tree and maybe you should ask them why they had a 3km TT this year.

 

[Elite Crow]

I could point you to countless articles which explain the need to build up cardiovascular endurance so you can fuel functional strength. The more weight you carry, the harder the heart has to work in order to pump blood around the body, the quicker you fatigue. The only way to fix that is one of two things - either you strip off weight (which is why marathon runners are always skinny) or you increase your endurance and then build up functional strength to a level that your cardiovascular system can support without muscle fatigue.



Not at all. I'm saying it's just a waste of time when last year the teams that were successful were the ones that focused on power running and explosiveness rather than endurance running. Every single side in the top eight had one or two quarters where they would win the quarter more often than not. Sydney, for example, was 1st in the competition for winning first quarters and 1st in the competition for winning 3rd quarters. GWS was in the top four for 2nd and 3rd quarters. West Coast focused on the first and second quarters.

I think 3km time trials were great for football when there was a policy of where if you interchange, you can't return to the field. When players had to stay out there all the time and so needed to prove that they could run for a medium distance at a certain level. With rotations, it's absolutely pointless, and we proved that last year because last year we thought endurance was the key with everyone posting great 3km times and we got flogged at the start of the year by sides who were pushing harder than us.

It's a relic of a style of football that no-one plays anymore. 10 x 300m repeat sprint times (which is what we are doing instead) would be a better indication of whether a player hasn't been getting fat and lazy, because at least it's more conducive to the sport.

But what would Burgess and McKeown know...they are only in the top 100 of the best sport scientists in the world. Our strength and conditioning coach Mladen Jovanovic who sadly had to leave to return to Serbia was in there too.

You do know why they do the time trials don't you? It's to measure their fitness base.

Do you know how long it takes? About 10 minutes.

So don't sprout crap that your spending every minute concentrating on balls, when it's a ten minute run and most probably takes about 30 minutes out of their whole preseason.

You have no idea why they aren't doing them unless Burgess has given you a one on one so you can relay the news to your flock.

You also have no idea whether they plan on doing one before the Xmas break or afterwards.

Also why do you refer to Burgess and not Mr Burgess?

 

[GreyCrow]

But Port are doing them

Their progress away from the club will be tested next week when the club holds its first 3km time trial.

 

[Elite Crow]

But Port are doing them

Their progress away from the club will be tested next week when the club holds its first 3km time trial.

Oh please provide a link, where did that come from

 

[GreyCrow]

Oh please provide a link, where did that come from

google Port Adelaide FC Time Trial and there is a story about Angus, or click the blue link in my post

 

[Elite Crow]

google Port Adelaide FC Time Trial and there is a story about Angus, or click the blue link in my post

Oh that's priceless, Janus what do you have to say for yourself

 

[footy4ever]

I could point you to countless articles which explain the need to build up cardiovascular endurance so you can fuel functional...yada yada yada yada

 

[Geoffa32]

Using Janus theory I did exercise two years ago so now I am still fit.

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[Sanders]

Guess we'll see, won't we?

No other sport in the world wastes time testing timed endurance running at professional level unless the sport participated in is a timed endurance running event, such as a marathon. They work on the core attributes needed to perform their chosen discipline.

Do you have ANY evidence for this?


Didn't think so

 

[Sanders]

Simple what you described is what some use to call the continental shift. in Layman terms all equal shift all equal pay no loading or penalty rate. Everybody rotates,
there had been a version of the shift in Australia for years, all called by different names.

Why the heck do you involve yourselves in discussions you clearly dont understand or have anything to add to?

 

[Elite Crow]

So no sign of Janus now that he's found out they've done time trials and his theories have once again been proven shit?

 

[RePete]

It's funny when people who have no idea about sport science try and talk about sport science.

 

[ad victoriam]

I could point you to countless articles which explain the need to build up cardiovascular endurance so you can fuel functional strength. The more weight you carry, the harder the heart has to work in order to pump blood around the body, the quicker you fatigue. The only way to fix that is one of two things - either you strip off weight (which is why marathon runners are always skinny) or you increase your endurance and then build up functional strength to a level that your cardiovascular system can support without muscle fatigue.



Not at all. I'm saying it's just a waste of time when last year the teams that were successful were the ones that focused on power running and explosiveness rather than endurance running. Every single side in the top eight had one or two quarters where they would win the quarter more often than not. Sydney, for example, was 1st in the competition for winning first quarters and 1st in the competition for winning 3rd quarters. GWS was in the top four for 2nd and 3rd quarters. West Coast focused on the first and second quarters.

I think 3km time trials were great for football when there was a policy of where if you interchange, you can't return to the field. When players had to stay out there all the time and so needed to prove that they could run for a medium distance at a certain level. With rotations, it's absolutely pointless, and we proved that last year because last year we thought endurance was the key with everyone posting great 3km times and we got flogged at the start of the year by sides who were pushing harder than us.

It's a relic of a style of football that no-one plays anymore. 10 x 300m repeat sprint times (which is what we are doing instead) would be a better indication of whether a player hasn't been getting fat and lazy, because at least it's more conducive to the sport.

But what would Burgess and McKeown know...they are only in the top 100 of the best sport scientists in the world. Our strength and conditioning coach Mladen Jovanovic who sadly had to leave to return to Serbia was in there too.

One problem I have with all that crap is why then did Port actually do laps that happened to be timed on Nov 20th at Alberton oval. the interesting thing is they had post driven into the ground at selected distances and one of the fitness staff using a timer at that point.

 

[Big Gazoongas]

Do you have ANY evidence for this?


Didn't think so

If you look hard enough you can clearly see all the evidence in J-anus' heat maps.

 

[Brentmeister]

Reading Janus' posts is always a good laugh but I do sometimes worry that I'm laughing at someone with learning difficulties and/or psychotic delusions.

 

[Iron]

It's funny when people who have no idea about sport science try and talk about sport science.

Hey he's read articles what more is there to know.

 

[ad victoriam]

Why the heck do you involve yourselves in discussions you clearly dont understand or have anything to add to?

Sanders first up its an open forum, secondly, it has never stopped you from getting involved in other people's conversation
thirdly, I did actually agree with your first point as being very good in some industries, just queried the workings in 5-day industries, as when tried in the past it did not work.
And son I was doing this shit before you left High school, shift changes, payment scales, equal loadings, Shift fairness, Shift equalisation
have been looked at for years nothing new has appeared Just more fancy ways of describing what has been used before.

 

[GROTTO]

But Port are doing them

Their progress away from the club will be tested next week when the club holds its first 3km time trial.

You just completely owned Janus with that post.

 

[GROTTO]

Reading Janus' posts is always a good laugh but I do sometimes worry that I'm laughing at someone with learning difficulties and/or psychotic delusions.

Dont, we did that with Alex and look where it got some of us.

 

[cm_perfect]

I could point you to countless heatmaps which explain the need .....snip...

I am impressed, it sounds like the makings of a December premiership.

Thanks Janus [emoji106] always best to start the day with a laugh.

Have you got a Fringe show in 2017?

 

[Apsaalooke]

No doubt. I will give it more time though as I know how long these things can take. One of my current best clients took 2 years to get my first project with them, patience, continuous effort and investment is required.
If Port can develop further Chinese partnerships that result in more money coming into Port and SA it will be a win for everyone. If it wasn't a Port - Crows thing I believe what Port are doing would be universally praised. Put it this way, the crows are a piece of shit in my world, but if they started working with overseas investors the way Port are I would reluctantly congratulate them.

Why would we need to go overseas when we have plenty of local sponsors and support regardless of how the team is performing, unlike Port when they only show up during the rare times you're winning anything. We'd just be diluting our local and Australian marketing efforts for some nebulous and unlikely overall gain.

Having said that I can see why Port did this as any publicity is better than none when you're struggling for a toehold in the marketplace. Hopefully it will attract some Chinese investment in Adelaide but I suspect that will be shortlived. As for any benefits for Port itself, that's a bit harder to see. If a Chinese sports team came to play a game here I doubt there be much curiosity let alone sustained interest, and I can see this being a one off experiment that will go the way of all the AFL's other overseas ventures ie nowhere.
Anyway good on you for trying and good luck - you'll need it.

 

[Janus]

Hey he's read articles what more is there to know.

Nah, I've been to the Port Adelaide website where they posted a video that specifically stated that 'distance running is a thing of the past, 80% of running is incorporated into ball work, and pure running is broken up into repeat sprints of up to 300m with bursts of 30m'.

That last bit, the 30m burst? That's what the posts driven into the ground were about. Alberton Oval is 475m in circumference at its widest point. 30m burst + 150m recovery + 30m burst + 150m = 460m. They were being timed on their burst speed.

Oh that's priceless, Janus what do you have to say for yourself

You mean the article that was posted on the 14th of November when Agius assumed that we'd be doing what we've always done for the past decade?

I'll go by the video I'm talking about that was posted on the 24th of November.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Why would we need to go overseas when we have plenty of local sponsors and support regardless of how the team is performing, unlike Port when they only show up during the rare times you're winning anything. We'd just be diluting our local and Australian marketing efforts for some nebulous and unlikely overall gain.

Having said that I can see why Port did this as any publicity is better than none when you're struggling for a toehold in the marketplace. Hopefully it will attract some Chinese investment in Adelaide but I suspect that will be shortlived. As for any benefits for Port itself, that's a bit harder to see. If a Chinese sports team came to play a game here I doubt there be much curiosity let alone sustained interest, and I can see this being a one off experiment that will go the way of all the AFL's other overseas ventures ie nowhere.
Anyway good on you for trying and good luck - you'll need it.

True. Play safe.

 

[GROTTO]

Have you got a Fringe show in 2017?

We are getting an early preview of it on here.

 

[Geoffa32]

Nah, I've been to the Port Adelaide website where they posted a video that specifically stated that 'distance running is a thing of the past, 80% of running is incorporated into ball work, and pure running is broken up into repeat sprints of up to 300m with bursts of 30m'.

That last bit, the 30m burst? That's what the posts driven into the ground were about. Alberton Oval is 475m in circumference at its widest point. 30m burst + 150m recovery + 30m burst + 150m = 460m. They were being timed on their burst speed.



You mean the article that was posted on the 14th of November when Agius assumed that we'd be doing what we've always done for the past decade?

I'll go by the video I'm talking about that was posted on the 24th of November.

Do the good clubs take this philosophy. Or is something you guys have taken to in the last couple of years.

In the last couple of years you have returned to Primus era results after having some success with the endurance philosophy.


I remember watching The Recruit and Burgess saying the endurance training was not about running hard early, but building the base to be able to do it with five minutes to go in the game. Not just physically but mentally. You guys owned the last five minutes of games back then.



Seems odd that he has completely changed philosophy. And in doing so the game has gone past you guys. Yet you still lap it up and suggest something your club is doing is the Gospel.

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