2016 Non Crows AFL Discussion thread Part 2

[Elite Crow]

Nah, I've been to the Port Adelaide website where they posted a video that specifically stated that 'distance running is a thing of the past, 80% of running is incorporated into ball work, and pure running is broken up into repeat sprints of up to 300m with bursts of 30m'.

That last bit, the 30m burst? That's what the posts driven into the ground were about. Alberton Oval is 475m in circumference at its widest point. 30m burst + 150m recovery + 30m burst + 150m = 460m. They were being timed on their burst speed.



You mean the article that was posted on the 14th of November when Agius assumed that we'd be doing what we've always done for the past decade?

I'll go by the video I'm talking about that was posted on the 24th of November.

You mean the article posted on the Port website that states you are doing time trials but the editor of the Port website is wrong because you say so?

Are you also referring to the video on the Port website that talks about how far players run? The one that does not mention anywhere you are not doing time trials?

At the moment it seems you are off with the fairies or have I missed any other videos or articles which contradict the one posted on your own website that says you aren't doing time trials??

It seems you don't know the rules to chess either.

How about you OneGreatClub can you point to any? Or has your leader fed you bull again?

As for that article, I'm glad you've caught up, the Crows have been incorporating football in our running for years.

 

[Elite Crow]

True. Play safe.

We like to think of it as playing football.

 

[PrideOf]

So, just to clarify the past 3-4 pages, whenever you hear a PAP supporter go:

"The Crows don't exist in my world, they're not worth thinking about I wouldn't waste my breath on them."

they really mean:

"I can't stay away from Crows supporters because I just have to know what they think about something, however trivial. BRB."

 

[GROTTO]

In fairness to the Port supporters on here they have to and should do everything and anything to detract from the teams predicament over the last two years. Their season begins around December and ends in early March. They are usually a Top 4 team in December to January and premiers in February.

Some fun Port Adelaide facts.

They have finished 10th and 9th, in the last two years respectively.

Port Adelaide have ONLY sat inside the 8, just twice after the last 46 rounds (ie, after the past two 23 rounds of footy over the last two seasons). That is not only just shattering but heart breaking, no wonder they focus on everything off the field because on the field there is just nothing happening. Which is why there is massive emphasis on singing songs before a game of footy and migrating the Club to China because when that siren goes at the end of the 4th quarter, they almost always are sitting outside the 8 at the end if it and all hope and optimism is lost.

While being in the 8 is not the be all and end all, it at least places you in a position to win premierships. (comparatively, the Crows have sat outside the 8 just 5 times in the past two years).

 

[Elite Crow]

Janus that video also refers to Clurey as the endurance king, what does that refer to?

 

[RodnyDangrfield]

Reading Janus' posts is always a good laugh but I do sometimes worry that I'm laughing at someone with learning difficulties and/or psychotic delusions.

In other words a port supporter? #YesWeKern #1870

 

[Elite Crow]

For someone that doesn't care what we think of him, Janus has sure spent a bit of time trying to justify his stupidity.

 

[Jello_B]

Why would we need to go overseas when we have plenty of local sponsors and support regardless of how the team is performing, unlike Port when they only show up during the rare times you're winning anything. We'd just be diluting our local and Australian marketing efforts for some nebulous and unlikely overall gain.

Having said that I can see why Port did this as any publicity is better than none when you're struggling for a toehold in the marketplace. Hopefully it will attract some Chinese investment in Adelaide but I suspect that will be shortlived. As for any benefits for Port itself, that's a bit harder to see. If a Chinese sports team came to play a game here I doubt there be much curiosity let alone sustained interest, and I can see this being a one off experiment that will go the way of all the AFL's other overseas ventures ie nowhere.
Anyway good on you for trying and good luck - you'll need it.

I disagree with your first paragraph, but that's ok it's your team and you can support this approach no issues.
The rest of your post isn't far off what I believe, and that's why we need to invest in new markets. I applaud the club for the idea and initiative behind China. I'll support the execution by getting behind the club and flying to China, but this isn't a winner yet.

 

[Geoffa32]

I disagree with your first paragraph, but that's ok it's your team and you can support this approach no issues.
The rest of your post isn't far off what I believe, and that's why we need to invest in new markets. I applaud the club for the idea and initiative behind China. I'll support the execution by getting behind the club and flying to China, but this isn't a winner yet.

It is refreshing talking about this with a Port supporter with an open mind...

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[Iron]

Nah, I've been to the Port Adelaide website where they posted a video that specifically stated that 'distance running is a thing of the past, 80% of running is incorporated into ball work, and pure running is broken up into repeat sprints of up to 300m with bursts of 30m'.

That last bit, the 30m burst? That's what the posts driven into the ground were about. Alberton Oval is 475m in circumference at its widest point. 30m burst + 150m recovery + 30m burst + 150m = 460m. They were being timed on their burst speed.



You mean the article that was posted on the 14th of November when Agius assumed that we'd be doing what we've always done for the past decade?

I'll go by the video I'm talking about that was posted on the 24th of November.

Man I was making fun of you for just reading articles. Now you're telling me they're exclusively from your own clubs website? Nice.

 

[Janus]

You mean the article posted on the Port website that states you are doing time trials but the editor of the Port website is wrong because you say so?

Are you also referring to the video on the Port website that talks about how far players run? The one that does not mention anywhere you are not doing time trials?

At the moment it seems you are off with the fairies or have I missed any other videos or articles which contradict the one posted on your own website that says you aren't doing time trials??

It seems you don't know the rules to chess either.

How about you OneGreatClub can you point to any? Or has your leader fed you bull again?

As for that article, I'm glad you've caught up, the Crows have been incorporating football in our running for years.

We didn't do a time trial when he says we were going to, so yeah, he was wrong. He was just guessing. I'm going by what the club has now stated as fact.

If you think that repeat 300m sprints constitutes a time trial...I don't even. Of course they are measuring split times. If you want to 'win' by calling that a time trial because it involves stopwatches, cool. But you know and I know that I was talking about distances of 2km or more that every other club does. Which we didn't do as we normally would have at the start of pre-season and probably won't do at the end of pre-season either.

Man I was making fun of you for just reading articles. Now you're telling me they're exclusively from your own clubs website? Nice.

Why would I bother to go into any more depth over something so infinitesimally insignificant when I can just point to one video on the club website from the horses mouth which proves I'm correct? I'm not going to list the articles or training methods that personal trainers have spoken to me about because that would be like bringing a gun to a fistfight. Against an armless man.

For someone that doesn't care what we think of him, Janus has sure spent a bit of time trying to justify his stupidity.

You call it justification. I call it education.

"No one tires of being helped, and acts that are consistent with nature, like helping others, are their own reward. How then can you grow tired of helping others when by doing so you help yourself?"

 

[hey shorty]

True. Play safe.

Or stay true to our real fans.

 

[Pea Nut]

We didn't do a time trial when he says we were going to, so yeah, he was wrong. He was just guessing. I'm going by what the club has now stated as fact.

If you think that repeat 300m sprints constitutes a time trial...I don't even. Of course they are measuring split times. If you want to 'win' by calling that a time trial because it involves stopwatches, cool. But you know and I know that I was talking about distances of 2km or more that every other club does. Which we didn't do as we normally would have at the start of pre-season and probably won't do at the end of pre-season either.



Why would I bother to go into any more depth over something so infinitesimally insignificant when I can just point to one video on the club website from the horses mouth which proves I'm correct? I'm not going to list the articles or training methods that personal trainers have spoken to me about because that would be like bringing a gun to a fistfight. Against an armless man.



You call it justification. I call it education.

"No one tires of being helped, and acts that are consistent with nature, like helping others, are their own reward. How then can you grow tired of helping others when by doing so you help yourself?"

Gotta say, you "I don't even" a lot. What does this even mean ??

 

[PatientMental]

Janus isn't a complete liar, he's right about the 3k time trial at the very least.

"We all did some 1kers, so we've changed up our testing which is normally a 3ker and changed to a different style of testing. It'll be good to do it that way because we're able to do it more often, with the 3k you do one at the start of preseason then you do one when you finish the preseason. With the 1k you'll be able to do it throughout the preseason and gauge how fit we are getting throughout the preseason." - Jackson Trengove - Fiveaa, 21st November 2016.

 

[PatientMental]

Gotta say, you "I don't even" a lot. What does this even mean ??

“What Is This I Don’t Even” is a popular catchphrase used on message boards in response to a post so shocking or stupid that you’re left absolutely speechless.

 

[cmndstab]

When does a player run 3km continuously during a match without a break? Never. However, you can get the same amount of endurance work done with 10 300m runs, except the 300m will focus on power and speed at the start before building up endurance. Which is what we are doing now.

Amazing. I guess next you can move to doing a hundred 30m runs and get even more of a benefit! After all, how often does a player run 300m without a break?

I assume Burgo is currently researching whether 30 and 100 are prime numbers or if these runs can be divided even further... watch this space!

Edit: Preliminary results on the possibly of doing 200 15m sprints appear promising at this early stage...

 

[GreyCrow]

Janus isn't a complete liar, .

At least you agree there are times he does lie

Thank you for the link. I am as surprised as anyone that there is a move away from TT

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

It's funny when people who have no idea about sport science try and talk about sport science.

It's funny how people who have no idea about football try to talk like they are experts...

 

[Geoffa32]

At least you agree there are times he does lie

Thank you for the link. I am as surprised as anyone that there is a move away from TT

i wonder if it is a Port thing or across the league as a whole.

Given the past two years I would not be hanging my hat on something Port are doing. The industry has gone past them in terms of player development and recovery.


Interesting watching this video and seeing the emphasis on sleep recovery used by us not only last year but again this year.




Also somewhat amusing seeing Rat wearing Adidas shoes, but getting his sponsored Puma boots lol.

 

[dogs105]

Amazing. I guess next you can move to doing a hundred 30m runs and get even more of a benefit! After all, how often does a player run 300m without a break?

I assume Burgo is currently researching whether 30 and 100 are prime numbers or if these runs can be divided even further... watch this space!

Edit: Preliminary results on the possibly of doing 200 15m sprints appear promising at this early stage...

24,000 25cm runs is where it's at

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Janus - Is any of Port's training timed or monitored using GPS's...with or without football's?

It would be unusual for this not to be the case as difficult to monitor players' performances & workloads otherwise...

 

[GreyCrow]

Interesting watching this video and seeing the emphasis on sleep recovery used by us not only last year but again this year.

Sleep recovery has become more important as time goes on. Swimmers at the Olympics were the 1st to use it. Heats in the morning , Finals in the Evening etc. (then NBC changed it all)

Now a lot of it is focused on managing sleeping patterns , especially after night games. I know myself as a (very) non-athlete how charged I am even 2 hours after a night game ( still posting etc) . Now I don't have to be awake early to head to a recovery session so I can take my time, but players need to manage their sleep better.

I saw a doco ( Hard Knocks? ) where a QB in the US has a special room , in the clubhouse, set aside for him to have a nap between training sessions. There have also been focus on game time training , mindfulness-cognitive responses etc. Didn't Johncock take most kickouts because he tested well for ''under pressure thinking''? The science of sports and sports recovery is just at the tip. I am surprised at the path Burgess has taken and time will tell if it is the right one.

 

[Elite Crow]

We didn't do a time trial when he says we were going to, so yeah, he was wrong. He was just guessing. I'm going by what the club has now stated as fact.

If you think that repeat 300m sprints constitutes a time trial...I don't even. Of course they are measuring split times. If you want to 'win' by calling that a time trial because it involves stopwatches, cool. But you know and I know that I was talking about distances of 2km or more that every other club does. Which we didn't do as we normally would have at the start of pre-season and probably won't do at the end of pre-season either.



Why would I bother to go into any more depth over something so infinitesimally insignificant when I can just point to one video on the club website from the horses mouth which proves I'm correct? I'm not going to list the articles or training methods that personal trainers have spoken to me about because that would be like bringing a gun to a fistfight. Against an armless man.



You call it justification. I call it education.

"No one tires of being helped, and acts that are consistent with nature, like helping others, are their own reward. How then can you grow tired of helping others when by doing so you help yourself?"

Show me the fact where the club has said you didn't perform the time trials.

I never said repeat 300 meter sprints were time trials, please show me where I did.

The facts are you've seen a video about your running and deduced you haven't done any time trials, all because you are a special type of genius.

 

[Vader]

Sanders first up its an open forum, secondly, it has never stopped you from getting involved in other people's conversation
thirdly, I did actually agree with your first point as being very good in some industries, just queried the workings in 5-day industries, as when tried in the past it did not work.
And son I was doing this shit before you left High school, shift changes, payment scales, equal loadings, Shift fairness, Shift equalisation
have been looked at for years nothing new has appeared Just more fancy ways of describing what has been used before.

Sanders has finished High School?

 

[footy4ever]

I disagree with your first paragraph, but that's ok it's your team and you can support this approach no issues.
The rest of your post isn't far off what I believe, and that's why we need to invest in new markets. I applaud the club for the idea and initiative behind China. I'll support the execution by getting behind the club and flying to China, but this isn't a winner yet.

Now that's something I'm actually jelly about. Travelling across the world to a fascinating country...BUT...while you're there, getting to go to an actual for keeps AFL footy match where your team is playing. That would be a hoot and I'd be there with my ears pinned back.