List Mgmt. 2016 Trade Thread

[TheCount]

Didn't we quire that pick via trade and then on trade it to Essendon for milkshakes

Nah it was just our 2nd Round pick. It was our first trade of the period, before we dealt Howe and Toumpas etc.

 

[schmuttt]

If he is saying that publicly it is Essendon just trying to get other clubs interested so they get maximum value, otherwise there is no point putting it out through the media.

He would upgrade our side but I won't be shattered if he doesn't come.

 

[d33my]

I'm struggling to think of a specific example but I feel like in the past we've also used 'sure thing' trades to let us complete other deals while everyone else is speculating on the 'known' deal. Am I making this up?

 

[d33my]

Ie our real target is someone other than Hibberd

 

[schmuttt]

Hypothetical - if hogan went to Freo and say we got pick 3 and Apeness and Weller coming back the other way, would you look to trade 3 and if so who for?

 

[mrmonkey]

I'm struggling to think of a specific example but I feel like in the past we've also used 'sure thing' trades to let us complete other deals while everyone else is speculating on the 'known' deal. Am I making this up?

Well last year the howie for Kennedy looked like a straight swap, but it ended up being a 4 way trade which saw toumpas to port and varcoe to Collingwood.

 

[mrmonkey]

Or even the ottens deal Thompson to Adelaide, Maloney to melbourne, ottens to geelong, and some picks to Richmond.

 

[LeverPuller]

I'm struggling to think of a specific example but I feel like in the past we've also used 'sure thing' trades to let us complete other deals while everyone else is speculating on the 'known' deal. Am I making this up?

Happened last year. Big feeling that it was on in 2014 too with the JPK/Danger rumour.

 

[Topkent]

Well last year the howie for Kennedy looked like a straight swap, but it ended up being a 4 way trade which saw toumpas to port and varcoe to Collingwood.

Varcoe went to Collingwood with the mitch Clark deal and we got Lumumba

 

[Topkent]

Really?
Before we've even really seen what he can be?
I respectfully disagree. If it came to that (which I'm sure it won't), I'd rather see us persist with Salem than take Hibberd for him.

You missed my point, I wouldn't do the deal myself but trading a 26 year old very good HBF for a 22 year old who has missed the best part of 2 seasons isn't a crazy trade from a neutrals perspective

 

[Sando22]

You missed my point, I wouldn't do the deal myself but trading a 26 year old very good HBF for a 22 year old who has missed the best part of 2 seasons isn't a crazy trade from a neutrals perspective

Nah I got that you you didn't think we needed to or would do the trade.
I think it's crazy to consider they are worth the same.
Salem is a pick 9 3 years ago and when 2017 starts, he's only 21 and Hibberd is 27 as opposed to 22 and 26. It's a Roosy "2-way swing"

 

[Topkent]

Nah I got that you you didn't think we needed to or would do the trade.
I think it's crazy to consider they are worth the same.
Salem is a pick 9 3 years ago and when 2017 starts, he's only 21 and Hibberd is 27 as opposed to 22 and 26. It's a Roosy "2-way swing"

3 years ago and he's been injured for 2 of them, on the open market he would get somewhere between 20-30 which is Hibberd's worth.. thought that's pretty simple

Aish went for pick 21 after being a number 7 draft pick only 2 years later

 

[Jade]

We'll do what we can to maximize value for him, but to be honest I'd happily accept 27 for him.

It's maybe not quite what we'd like, but it's near enough to return the good will of the Melksham trade I think.

 

[mrmonkey]

Varcoe went to Collingwood with the mitch Clark deal and we got Lumumba

Oh yeah that's right, I seems I've merged 2 different trades and forgot about clark and lumumba. Easy to forget clark considering he barely even played.

 

[Sando22]

3 years ago and he's been injured for 2 of them, on the open market he would get somewhere between 20-30 which is Hibberd's worth.. thought that's pretty simple

Aish went for pick 21 after being a number 7 draft pick only 2 years later

Aish is a squib though and wanted out so bad comparison.
I would not be swapping a 21yo #9 pick for a 27yo who has missed a full year of football on the piss in Europe, that's simple.

 

[Topkent]

Aish is a squib though and wanted out so bad comparison.
I would not be swapping a 21yo #9 pick for a 27yo who has missed a full year of football on the piss in Europe, that's simple.

That's you because your a melbourne supporter and everyone rates their own kids as far better than they are Salem Aish had/has done more in his career than Salem who's played 29 games in 3 years
Like I said I wouldn't do it either but Salems value has not increased since draft day and would be worth roughly the same as Hibberd on the open market

For instance what would you pay for Ben Lennon from Richmond

 

[Sando22]

That's you because your a melbourne supporter and everyone rates their own kids as far better than they are Salem Aish had/has done more in his career than Salem who's played 29 games in 3 years
Like I said I wouldn't do it either but Salems value has not increased since draft day and would be worth roughly the same as Hibberd on the open market

For instance what would you pay for Ben Lennon from Richmond

A bag of clothes pegs.
And Hibberd wants out.

 

[Topkent]

A bag of clothes pegs.
And Hibberd wants out.

Lennon was pick 12 from the same draft .. that's the point
If we go into a finals series next year Salems all potential while Hibberd's had good best and fairest placings

 

[Sando22]

Lennon was pick 12 from the same draft .. that's the point
If we go into a finals series next year Salems all potential while Hibberd's had good best and fairest placings

Yeah look I get your point but for me, Hibberd not having played all year and being 27 and far from a match-winner, I would not even consider trading Salem for.
I know you wouldn't either.
We may sneak into finals next year but realistically, our tilt won't come until 2018-21 where Salem will be 23-27 and Hibberd will be on a walking stick.

 

[TheCount]

I think what you're trying to say Topkent, is that Salem's (and Lennon's) market value is a hell of a lot different to his value to us.

We see a Top 10 pick that has shown promise, but due to injury and illness, he's only played 29 games in 3 years.

Other clubs see a player that has shown promise, but only played 29 games in 3 years.

 

[Proper Gander]

I'm struggling to think of a specific example but I feel like in the past we've also used 'sure thing' trades to let us complete other deals while everyone else is speculating on the 'known' deal. Am I making this up?

I sort of think you may have imagined this but I like it anyway.

 

[Topkent]

I think what you're trying to say Topkent, is that Salem's (and Lennon's) market value is a hell of a lot different to his value to us.

We see a Top 10 pick that has shown promise, but due to injury and illness, he's only played 29 games in 3 years.

Other clubs see a player that has shown promise, but only played 29 games in 3 years.

Yeah, a more extreme case is Jaeger Omeara

GC want 2 first round picks because he was incredible in his first season and they took him in the mini draft
Yet no one outside is paying that because they point to his 2 years out of the game

 

[TheCount]

Yeah, a more extreme case is Jaeger Omeara

GC want 2 first round picks because he was incredible in his first season and they took him in the mini draft
Yet no one outside is paying that because they point to his 2 years out of the game

Yeah great example ... geez they're absolutely dreaming with 2 Top 10 picks for a kid missing for 2 years from injury, and still not over it.

I was there the day he did it actually, never heard a scream like that on a footy field before.

 

[Russian Demon]

I think what you're trying to say Topkent, is that Salem's (and Lennon's) market value is a hell of a lot different to his value to us.

We see a Top 10 pick that has shown promise, but due to injury and illness, he's only played 29 games in 3 years.

Other clubs see a player that has shown promise, but only played 29 games in 3 years.

(Not taking the piss)

Its this sort of simple clear logic that makes me love this board.

 

[Bluelegs]

Is there a reason we want to trade salem has he requested a trade?