2017 Draft thread

[M Malice]

I feel for GWS if both Kelly and Hopper leave I honestly do with those vultures from Vic just picking off whoever they want from the Northern clubs. However this could work to our advantage as I've outlined before and if Hopper and Kelly go and there is a player that GWS want and we hold that pick (possible 1) that they would need then I can see them being a viable partner to acquire more picks in the first round if that is what the club would like to do and also if it was beneficial to us.

Yep, if GWS deal with Carlton/Richmond/St.Kilda for their supposed departures that could be great for us, Carlton will have a pick in the first 3-4 and the other 2 have 2 first round picks. GWS may be keen on Brander (X academy) if as some say he projects as a possible top 2-3 pick. Also depends on how the depth of talent pans out later in the year.

Schache gone = Fingers crossed a top 6-8 pick.
Ports 1st = pick 11-16.
Trade pick 1 = similar to last year.

 

[jackess]

I feel for GWS if both Kelly and Hopper leave I honestly do with those vultures from Vic just picking off whoever they want from the Northern clubs. However this could work to our advantage as I've outlined before and if Hopper and Kelly go and there is a player that GWS want and we hold that pick (possible 1) that they would need then I can see them being a viable partner to acquire more picks in the first round if that is what the club would like to do and also if it was beneficial to us.

I think it's just an exampled of the salary cap working. They have so much talent in that team.

There was an article recently saying Taranto and Setterfield would be signing contract extensions soon so they've still got a lot of talent coming through.

 

[Dalions]

If gws still want brander they are actually going to need 2 picks in the top 3 as they still stand to lose 1500 points due to the Whitfield saga.
So if they trade for pick 1 that pick will go back to around pick 16 or 17 after the points deduction. So they will actually need pick 1 and 3 or 4 to actually get him. If he is projected that high.

 

[jjami15]

If gws still want brander they are actually going to need 2 picks in the top 3 as they still stand to lose 1500 points due to the Whitfield saga.
So if they trade for pick 1 that pick will go back to around pick 16 or 17 after the points deduction. So they will actually need pick 1 and 3 or 4 to actually get him. If he is projected that high.

Brander is no longer aligned with GWS as an academy player.

 

[Dalions]

Brander is no longer aligned with GWS as an academy player.

Yeah i know that but someone bought him up as someone they may still want which means they need an early pick to take him in the live draft.

 

[scoman]

Can't see GWS having the cash available for Dusty

But we would. Wish it were that simple... hahaha

Imagine poor young Tayla Harris if that happened!

 

[LongLion]

But we would. Wish it were that simple... hahaha

Imagine poor young Tayla Harris if that happened!

Ha Ha Ha

 

[M Malice]

Brett Anderson on SEN this morning said he went and watched Will Sutherland over the weekend and he is of the opinion that he is definitely in the mix for the number 1 spot if he chooses AFL over cricket.

195cm key forward.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Brett Anderson on SEN this morning said he went and watched Will Sutherland over the weekend and he is of the opinion that he is definitely in the mix for the number 1 spot if he chooses AFL over cricket.

195cm key forward.

Even if Schache leaves we still have Hipwood and likely will draft Ballenden. Will we draft another KF?

 

[M Malice]

Even if Schache leaves we still have Hipwood and likely will draft Ballenden. Will we draft another KF?

No I don't think we would, was more thinking pick 1 could be traded for a couple of other picks in the top 10 if the club wanted to go that way, similar to last year with the Giants.

If Sutherland and/or Brander are seen as top flight KPF we would be in a good position to start a bidding war for pick 1 with teams like Richmond, Carlton, Collingwood looking for more key forwards.

 

[Cockliff38]

I'd be worried about eventually losing Sutherland to cricket

 

[briztoon]

You would need the right team with multiple picks to want a KPF.

Right now St Kilda has two picks, but don't need another KPF.

Richmond have two picks, but they'll be trading them for Schache.

GWS might acquire multiple picks in a trade, but they don't need a KPF.

And this is not a draft I would be interested in trading for picks in the second half of the first round.

I'd want to trade pick one for pick 2 or pick 3 at worst, and a future first round pick, maybe with this years second going back the other way.

 

[jjami15]

You would need the right team with multiple picks to want a KPF.

Right now St Kilda has two picks, but don't need another KPF.

Richmond have two picks, but they'll be trading them for Schache.

GWS might acquire multiple picks in a trade, but they don't need a KPF.

And this is not a draft I would be interested in trading for picks in the second half of the first round.

I'd want to trade pick one for pick 2 or pick 3 at worst, and a future first round pick, maybe with this years second going back the other way.

I think you might be easily swayed at this moment in time in regards to this notion. Just sit on this for a bit and when the national champs have played out and I think that you'll find that there will be more names that have started to come to the fore. Every kid would realise that this is the stage to show their wares and not saying that they are cruising and are going to all of a sudden go bang but their natural competitive juices will come to the fore. There will be other names that will also come into the mix. It's just too early and besides the TACCUP most don't know much outside of this bar stats that they can find.

 

[jackess]

I wonder if Sutherland nominating for the draft might curb the interest a club like Carlton might have in Schache.

 

[briztoon]

I wonder if Sutherland nominating for the draft might curb the interest a club like Carlton might have in Schache.

My personal belief.

If Schache goes "home", money will have little bearing on the decision. Clubs won't have to pay $700k to sign him.

So if I was in club land the decision would come done to what type of KPF does each kid project to be, who has the higher ceiling, and who fits the direction the game is going better.

That is who I would target.

Most Carlton fans believe they need to target mids ahead of KPP's.

 

[briztoon]

I think you might be easily swayed at this moment in time in regards to this notion. Just sit on this for a bit and when the national champs have played out and I think that you'll find that there will be more names that have started to come to the fore. Every kid would realise that this is the stage to show their wares and not saying that they are cruising and are going to all of a sudden go bang but their natural competitive juices will come to the fore. There will be other names that will also come into the mix. It's just too early and besides the TACCUP most don't know much outside of this bar stats that they can find.

Gees I hope so. I've got a very short list on my Brisbane centric board.

Hoping players such as Paddy Dow step up.

A lot of my apathy towards this draft is many of the mids replicate what we already have, or are more project type players.

And many of these are viewed as first round picks because of how shallow the draft pool appears to be.

 

[trikster]

Don't forget we have other academy kids not just Ballenden (whom I personally think is a better fit at FF and along side Hipwood than Schache, if Schache does leave) we might want to use picks on. Ballenden will go anywhere between 8-15 which means likely using Port's pick. We've then got Jack Payne maybe in the mid-late 20's position who is a CHB and has come along great guns this season, also Jack Clayton who is likely a half back/wing around pick 50.

After Round 10 we were looking at picks 1, 11, 19, 43, 73 and some late ones. So unless we get some more picks in we will have some tough choices on matching for academy kids.

 

[briztoon]

Don't forget we have other academy kids not just Ballenden (whom I personally think is a better fit at FF and along side Hipwood than Schache, if Schache does leave) we might want to use picks on. Ballenden will go anywhere between 8-15 which means likely using Port's pick. We've then got Jack Payne maybe in the mid-late 20's position who is a CHB and has come along great guns this season, also Jack Clayton who is likely a half back/wing around pick 50.

After Round 10 we were looking at picks 1, 11, 19, 43, 73 and some late ones. So unless we get some more picks in we will have some tough choices on matching for academy kids.

Best player available.

The Lions have shown we'll let academy kids go if we don't rate where they are bid on and if we are balancing points, or concerned about going in to deficit the following year.

I reckon we'll take 4 picks to the draft. 5 if Schache leaves. So there is a real possibility we could look to package Ports pick and our second round pick to move up in the first round, or certain pick/s traded for a future pick/s. I would certainly consider trading our second round pick to Carlton for their 2018 second round pick under certain circumstances. Others scenarios I try and trade Ports pick for a future first round pick.

I've mentioned before, there's a real concern that it will take more than the Port pick to match an early bid on Ballenden, which means using our second round pick as well, and it's value sliding back in the draft.

It's worth keeping on eye on finishing position predictor ladders. Port is currently predicted to finish 3rd or 4th on most predictor ladders.

Lots to look at between now and the draft, but our picks could be potentially effected big time by matching a bid on Ballenden and Compensation Picks from this years trade period. And a potentially very shallow draft.

 

[trikster]

I've mentioned before, there's a real concern that it will take more than the Port pick to match an early bid on Ballenden, which means using our second round pick as well, and it's value sliding back in the draft.

If someone picked Ballenden at 5 (unlikely), we would use Port's pick and our pick 19 could drop back to the low 30's if Port finish the season well. That would be a bad outcome for any club trying to rebuild having only 2 picks in the 30's (even if they both end up being good players).
I'm also not sure how we can get good young mids in (other than with pick 1 - Fogarty?) given this draft seems to be short on quality mids and I think we should take both Ballenden and Payne.

 

[EurekaKid]

I've been getting tagged in this all day. Is it actually true? If so, surely a case for a PP

 

[JasRulz63]

I've been getting tagged in this all day. Is it actually true? If so, surely a case for a PP

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/5-seasons-since-brisbane-have-been-in-the-top-8.1167184/

 

[briztoon]

If someone picked Ballenden at 5 (unlikely), we would use Port's pick and our pick 19 could drop back to the low 30's if Port finish the season well. That would be a bad outcome for any club trying to rebuild having only 2 picks in the 30's (even if they both end up being good players).
I'm also not sure how we can get good young minds in (other than with pick 1 - Fogarty?) given this draft seems to short on quality mids and I think we should take both Ballenden and Payne.

Caveat, the following is purely my interpretation from reading and listening to the "professional" and amateur draft watchers.

At the moment I think the draft is short on quality after about pick 8. There might be some good players out to around pick 25, but they are either project players or players missing a key attribute that might have lifted them in to the elite of this draft.

It also concerns me that Ballenden is still spoken about as a top 5 or 10 pick considering his indifferent season so far. I also believe this speaks to the shallowness of the draft.

For me, Luke Davies-Uniacke is currently the clear top prospect and my current preferred pick 1. I really hope Fogarty dominates the U18 championships and a heap of kids stand up and have great second halves of the season.

Paddy Dow, James Worpel and Jack Higgins are the other kids I plan to follow closely.

 

[13Beast]

After Round 10 we were looking at picks 1, 11, 19, 43, 73 and some late ones. So unless we get some more picks in we will have some tough choices on matching for academy kids.

So if the club is anticipating a pick for Ballenden before #11, then I hope to dear god that they aim to have at least locked in safe two live picks before any picks for Ballanden come in. In which case, use #11 as currency in trading to another team as a good live pick that may be wasted on us.

Perhaps Carlton's #2 + #20 and their third rounder for Schache + our #11...no point having #11 if we don't get to use it live. Leaving us with #1 and #2, #19, #20, Carlton's 3rd, #43, #73 + late ones.

Can cherry pick the two best kids in the draft with plenty of points to ensure Ballanden and any other good academy lads are safe and secure too.

Throw a PP into the mix, or free agency compo if Rocky leaves, and well....we start to look like having a GWS draft from a few years back

 

[lionshine]

TAC Cup stats Round 9-

Sandringham Dragons-
Hayden Mclean 12 possessions 2 goals 3 tackles

Quintin Montanaro 33 disposals 7 tackles

Eastern Ranges-
Jaidyn Stephenson 26 disposals 1 goal 7 tackles

Sam Hayes 23 disposals 1 goal 41 hit-outs 5 marks

Tom North 27 disposals 6 tackles

Geelong Falcons-
Adam Garner 14 disposals 6 goals 9 marks

Harry Benson 27 disposals 9 tackles

Sam Walsh 30 disposals 6 tackles

Cassidy Parish 22 disposals 8 tackles

Gippsland Power-
Aidan Quigley 21 disposals 5 tackles

Callum Porter 36 disposals 4 goals 12 tackles

Oakleigh Chargers-
Jack Higgins 15 disposals 4 goals 3 tackles

Toby Wooller 12 disposals 2 goals 3 tackles

Western Jets-
Cameron Rayner 18 disposals 3 goals 4 tackles

Calder Cannons-
Noah Balta 15 disposals 2 goals 8 marks 7 tackles

Northern Knights-
Jack Petrucelle 10 disposals 1 goal 6 tackles

Nick Coffield 30 disposals 10 marks

Bendigo Pioneers-
Kane Farrell 17 disposals 1 goal 8 marks

Phil Moi Moi 13 disposals 3 tackles (Posted his stats simply due to his name but he was named as the Pioneers 2nd best player)

Darby Henderson 31 disposals 3 tackles

Dandenong Stingrays-
Tom De Koning 10 disposals 3 goals 6 marks

Hunter Clark 30 disposals 8 tackles

Murray Bushrangers-
Daniel Johnston 11 disposals 3 goals

GWV Rebels-
Aiden Domic 34 disposals 1 goal 7 tackles(Looks like someone wasn't pleased he missed the Vic Country squad)

Tom Berry 26 disposals 8 tackles 3 behinds

Dale Cox 12 disposals 2 tackles

 

[briztoon]

So if the club is anticipating a pick for Ballenden before #11, then I hope to dear god that they aim to have at least locked in safe two live picks before any picks for Ballanden come in. In which case, use #11 as currency in trading to another team as a good live pick that may be wasted on us.

Perhaps Carlton's #2 + #20 and their third rounder for Schache + our #11...no point having #11 if we don't get to use it live. Leaving us with #1 and #2, #19, #20, Carlton's 3rd, #43, #73 + late ones.

Can cherry pick the two best kids in the draft with plenty of points to ensure Ballanden and any other good academy lads are safe and secure too.

Throw a PP into the mix, or free agency compo if Rocky leaves, and well....we start to look like having a GWS draft from a few years back

Not counting on a PP or Rocky leaving at this stage.

I believe it highly unlikely Schache goes anywhere except for Richmond. I'm not sure Carlton will be looking for talls this draft. Possibly Collingwood.

I do share your desire to get in two live draft picks before having to match a bid on Ballenden.