2017 Draft thread

[luthor]

luthor

 

[briztoon]

You quoted me in the Pick 1 thread. I figured this was the answer to your question.

 

[M Malice]

Liam Baker could be worth a look at with a late draft selection or rookie, the highlight package is one of the better ones I have seen, this years highlights have been rather uninspiring on the whole.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-28/pocket-rocket-driven-for-draft-redemption

Even though we have Charlie Cameron coming in I feel we still need a decent pressure small forward and Baker could fit the bill, would be all for one of Adam Sambono, Sam Switkowski, Gryan Miers or Liam Baker.

 

[luthor]

You quoted me in the Pick 1 thread. I figured this was the answer to your question.

OK. I see it now

THX

 

[cotter101]

Not exactly sure where Len S has gotten his information from but my dealings with Dow have been pretty good. Certainly hasn't jumped out as a big flight risk to me.

 

[JakePeralta]

With all the talk of wanting to get more pressure forwards, I don't really understand the obsession with picking up Sambono in the draft. I've seen him play enough NEAFL games to know that he's probably the last bloke you'll see giving you forward pressure. I don't think he has much burst and he's got no physicality; don't think he even laid many tackles in the NEAFL.

 

[jjami15]

With all the talk of wanting to get more pressure forwards, I don't really understand the obsession with picking up Sambono in the draft. I've seen him play enough NEAFL games to know that he's probably the last bloke you'll see giving you forward pressure. I don't think he has much burst and he's got no physicality; don't think he even laid many tackles in the NEAFL.

I don’t think that the majority of small forwards in lower leagues/u 18 really tackle all that much. Just to add the majority of small forwards in the AFL were mids as juniors.

 

[morsie]

What kind of a name is "Gryan"?Couldn't his parents make up their mind between Bryan and Gary, both good solid names?
Over 50s rant over.

 

[Nunez]

I'd like to see us rookie list Campbell Walker. He was impressive this year as a fill in. He has a great work ethic, good skills and can mark the footy. Definitely something to work with. He was pivotal in the neafl finals as well.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Liam Baker could be worth a look at with a late draft selection or rookie, the highlight package is one of the better ones I have seen, this years highlights have been rather uninspiring on the whole.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-28/pocket-rocket-driven-for-draft-redemption

Even though we have Charlie Cameron coming in I feel we still need a decent pressure small forward and Baker could fit the bill, would be all for one of Adam Sambono, Sam Switkowski, Gryan Miers or Liam Baker.

Matt Guelfi looks even more impressive. Faster over 20m, has a kick like a mule and can take mark. Played seniors for Claremont.

 

[Caiphus]

I'm all for longer contracts for first round draftees, but what about their wages after the first two years of their contract?Would they have to be set by a tribunal or something? It would be completely messy if a breakout star comes from a lower round with a shorter initial contract and then can be signed for huge money while a 1st round pick who is showing as much is stuck on a lower rate for two more years.

 

[Dalions]

I'm all for longer contracts for first round draftees, but what about their wages after the first two years of their contract?Would they have to be set by a tribunal or something? It would be completely messy if a breakout star comes from a lower round with a shorter initial contract and then can be signed for huge money while a 1st round pick who is showing as much is stuck on a lower rate for two more years.

Contracts would need to be negotiated after the first 2 years to be fairly compensated to their abilities.

 

[Nunez]

I'm all for longer contracts for first round draftees, but what about their wages after the first two years of their contract?Would they have to be set by a tribunal or something? It would be completely messy if a breakout star comes from a lower round with a shorter initial contract and then can be signed for huge money while a 1st round pick who is showing as much is stuck on a lower rate for two more years.

Good question, but I imagine it wouldn't be too hard to work out, especially if there is a clause to negotiate wages on the 3rd and 4th year.

 

[Caiphus]

The player would have no leverage in that negotiation to prevent being lowballed since there is no competition.

 

[Comeback Lions]

I'd like to see us rookie list Campbell Walker. He was impressive this year as a fill in. He has a great work ethic, good skills and can mark the footy. Definitely something to work with. He was pivotal in the neafl finals as well.

I'm also in the Campbell Walker camp, as he played that pressure forward role brilliantly, laying 8 tackles in one game from memory. Also took some memorable contested marks, one a real screamer. He is a good mark for his size. Perfect as a Queensland zone selection.

There seem to be calls here for a variety of guys as rookies, but unless Claye Beams is taken in the national draft, or someone else like Oscar or Barrett are upgraded, there won't be any Cat A rookie spots to add guys like Sambono. We'll only be looking to add 2 Queenslanders; or a local and an Irish guy to fill 2 vacant Cat B spots.

 

[Mayestro]

The player would have no leverage in that negotiation to prevent being lowballed since there is no competition.

True, but if you're being paid an appropriate amount you are more likely to hang around afterwards. If you know you're being low balled I would imagine there wouldn't be too much good will towards your employer.

 

[BuntonRules]

The player would have no leverage in that negotiation to prevent being lowballed since there is no competition.

I would reckon the thought of a champ being out the door as soon as OOC, because he feels slighted by what he was forced to take in year 3 & 4 would keep the dealings realistic - if not generous.

 

[briztoon]

I read yesterday that Matt Eagles is being retained as a Cat B rookie.

William is gone, so that’s one Zone Rookie spot available.

 

[Dalions]

The player would have no leverage in that negotiation to prevent being lowballed since there is no competition.

Managers are pretty good at their jobs these days. They know the going rates for these guys at similar progression and potential.
There would still be a negotiation process until both camps are happy.

 

[Dalions]

I read yesterday that Matt Eagles is being retained as a Cat B rookie.

William is gone, so that’s one Zone Rookie spot available.

I wonder if there is any further interest in the 2 Irish fellas that were training with the group during the year.

 

[POBT]

Managers are pretty good at their jobs these days. They know the going rates for these guys at similar progression and potential.
There would still be a negotiation process until both camps are happy.

But what happens if they can’t agree?

It is a fundamental element of a contract that it has to be certain. You can’t have a four year deal and say “we’ll work out payment later”. You can stipulate contract values like happens with first and second year players or you can have a mechanism for calculating the contract (eg based on # of senior games, Best and Fairest results, 90% of avg value of 5th year contracts etc). But a contract without a sufficiently certain payment clause will be unenforceable.

 

[Dalions]

But what happens if they can’t agree?

It is a fundamental element of a contract that it has to be certain. You can’t have a four year deal and say “we’ll work out payment later”. You can stipulate contract values like happens with first and second year players or you can have a mechanism for calculating the contract (eg based on # of senior games, Best and Fairest results, 90% of avg value of 5th year contracts etc). But a contract without a sufficiently certain payment clause will be unenforceable.

The first 2 yr contract are games based contracts with a base. Which is set by the draft position.
I cant see why that can not be extended through to the 3rd And 4th years still with a base salary set from draft position and games bonuses. (just at higher rates then their first 2 years).
It also means the blokes are much more likely to hang around at the lower positioned clubs when they are more likely to get games. And therefore more money.

 

[Nunez]

The more I think about the draft, the more I think a combo of LDU and Clarke would be perfect combining with Berry, Clugg etc down the line. Both can play inside or out and have pace. Then add Allen as the Tom Lynch (ADL) link up player, Ballenden as the forward/ruck and Payne as the big bodied KPD and we've got ourselves a very nice draft haul that fill a heap of needs.

 

[a mayes ing]

Really cant see other teams allowing us extra picks in the draft. Reckon we will be luck to get 15 but almost certaily 18 will be gone with the bid

 

[pulpdriver]

But what happens if they can’t agree?

It is a fundamental element of a contract that it has to be certain. You can’t have a four year deal and say “we’ll work out payment later”. You can stipulate contract values like happens with first and second year players or you can have a mechanism for calculating the contract (eg based on # of senior games, Best and Fairest results, 90% of avg value of 5th year contracts etc). But a contract without a sufficiently certain payment clause will be unenforceable.

I would love any mechanism in calculating contracts in such circumstances to have some significant weighting for senior games played for draftees. Could really go a long way to helping keep those kids on developing lists if their prospects for earning cash in their first four years or so is potentially a lot more lucrative due to the increased opportunities kids get for senior footy on rebuilding lists.