In my opinion Cuningham suffers from not reading a game and getting to the right positions to be part of team possession
So he will need to follow instructions carefully or he will be in the reserves
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So he will need to follow instructions carefully or he will be in the reserves
Nope again
So what are his tools?
How will a guy that does not get high possessions at lower levels change this at AFL level?
I really want the guy to succeed- but have my doubts.
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Too many people forget how young these kids are.
Cuningham has genuine leg speed, is hard and tough, a very good kick, good inside and outside and a fantatic workrate. IMO the only issue is a bit of confidence, which is coming. He didn't play a lot of junior footy, was a late starter and played HBF and is still catching up. Has then had injuries and still to get going. Everytime he has had a consistent run at it I have seen improvement and lots of upside.
I strongly believe that once he finds his feet and belief he could be very very good. The skills and effort are there it's now experience and time. 2018 is about getting game time and I expect big things in 2019 when he hits the 30 game mark.
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Well
Its all about the vibe of the narrative
So young means he can do it but it's an age thing correct?
You're saying because he's young he doesn't need to find the ball
So when should they begin to find the ball?
Sorry weren't you laughing because I had no rebuttal or argument? You're right. I have neither but I do have an opinion.
He is young in terms of maturity and any football experience. Even compared to his peers. Has shown the ability to win a lot of ball in patches but not yet over 4 quarters. It will come. A lot of youngsters go through this. If anything he is way too unselfish and does more of the team off the ball things than he needs to.
Unfortunately some believe because they haven't already starred they are not up to it
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Cuningham turns 21 next March, so he's still young, and had some injury issues.
It's worth waiting a bit longer before condemning him to fail.
It's worth waiting a bit longer before condemning him to fail.
I don't think there are any calls to fail, but just some seeing things either as they are, or at least the way they see them.
Cuningham was a low-possession player in his TAC days and has mostly been a low-possession player, with us to date.
That's a bit of a furphy. Played off HB at TAC Cup and did well when fit. Hasn't played a lot of midfield at AFL level, mostly HF. When he has, he has done well at the clearances. When he finally strung some games together at VFL level his possessions started to build. If anything it's only the cheap possessions he needs to get to improve his stats and I don't see that as an issue
See Cunners as a 20 possession (8 contested) and 1g per game player in his prime, at this stage, which is pretty handy.
Didn't expect a pillar to build around when we drafted him (as I did with SPS, year 2 Cripps and now #3), but will remain slightly optimistic over the coming years.
Didn't expect a pillar to build around when we drafted him (as I did with SPS, year 2 Cripps and now #3), but will remain slightly optimistic over the coming years.
Which part is this furphy, Soapy?
The early knock on Cuningham certainly wasn't for his speed. It was because he didn't see much of the ball.
Anyway, I like the guy and would love to see him average 22+ possessions a game for us, but it will take a lot of listening for him to do so.
It's that people say he isn't a big possession when he has hardly played or played in the middle. Lets see him play there for an extended period then assess. I have no doubt he will be fine. IMO too many people are too quick to criticise based on very little data. Patience
I've watched him play in the middle plenty of times in the VFL. He finds it hard to find the ball.
We'll just have to make the most of his assets and not try too hard into making him something he'll never likely become.
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I couldn't care less if Cunners only gets it 18 times a game if he breaks the lines and hits a forward on the chest 12 of those times!
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I've seen him in the same games. 2 things
1. His first instinct is to do the team things like shepherd or tackle instead of hunt the ball
2. He isn't yet confident enough to take control of game like Polson does at VFL level. Also doesn't get the cheap possessions. If he gets 20 they are hard won.
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See him also gaining 18-23 possessions per game and a goal. But I also like his hidden strengths. Can upend an opponent at times with a ferocious tackle. Carlton need that. Can run down an opponent. Will put fear into opponents unlike others on our list. Again, a requirement and not a possession count.
Got to read his development and progression so far as fine. Young, and injured a bit holding him back so far (lack of continuity)...but regardless of that, has played a lot minutes in our fwd 50 which is not conducive to gaining lots of possessions. Our fwd 50 is still dysfunctional with our mids like Kerridge, Curnow, Thomas and Murphy delivering pretty average kicks inside 50 making it even harder for a young developing mid playing out of position.
His midfield minutes were not that high in 2017 so we only see aspects of his true worth there.
Like some have mentioned and I agree with the criticism, probably does need team orientated help on where to position and where to receive the ball in the midfield. Needs to be brought into the game by Cripps and Kennedy. Footy is a repetitive structured game so I can see him getting that aspect solved easily within the next year. His assets are so high in what he offers it would take little effort of the other mids and Bolton to work him in nicely.
Barring injury, I see that happening this year. Really bullish on him as he will offer us a lot with hardness and dash away from the midfield.
On surface inspection, you can criticise, but looking deeper, there is so much on offer with Cunners.
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Put it this way, if Cunningham ends up being one of our fringe best 22 players in 3 years time, we will have a very good list. Not everyone can be a superstar ie curnow/sps/Cripps
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I’ve been looking at a few best 22 and from what I’ve seen there is a couple of player that seem to be in everybody’s 22 that I’m a bit unsure whether there good enough. Jones is one of them, yes he played some really good football but there were some average games too. I’m hoping I’m wrong but I also think we are too tall down back and need more run. The other is Byrne he is talented but I’m worried about his body. 15 games in 4 years is not a good return. So here is my 22
B Williamson Weitering Plowman
HB Docherty Marchbank Cuningham
C SPS Cripps Lang
HF Fisher Curnow Pickett
F Silvagni Casboult Wright
R Kreuzer Murphy Kennedy
INT Simpson Curnow Thomas Lamb
I would like to see how Lobbe and Kreuzer look in the same team. I would also like to see McKay, Polson, Macreadie and the new draftee get some games under there belt.
B Williamson Weitering Plowman
HB Docherty Marchbank Cuningham
C SPS Cripps Lang
HF Fisher Curnow Pickett
F Silvagni Casboult Wright
R Kreuzer Murphy Kennedy
INT Simpson Curnow Thomas Lamb
I would like to see how Lobbe and Kreuzer look in the same team. I would also like to see McKay, Polson, Macreadie and the new draftee get some games under there belt.
Agree eager to see Lobbe and Kreuzer in the same team will give us an important new dimension.
Lobb acquisition may well turn out to be the most important one, reduce work load on the kruooz and properly develop and asses Phillips potential.
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