Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion - Part 3

[GapInIkonPark]

It’s all about getting games into the kids ...

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-18/young-and-restless-who-are-your-clubs-upandcomers

The Blues have invested heavily in youth at recent drafts and trading periods and are banking on this group to lift them back to the top of the ladder. Under the watchful eye of list manager Stephen Silvagni, they have assembled a wide variety of talent with numerous key-position options, pace, skill and X-factors. Although hitting a slight flat spot this year, Jacob Weitering finished third in the NAB AFL Rising Star award in 2016 and has leadership stamped all over him. Charlie Curnow, fourth in the Rising Star this year, has already drawn comparisons with Carlton great Anthony Koutoufides because of his athleticism and strong hands.

On the list: 17

AFL experience: Jacob Weitering (42 games), Jack Silvagni (28), Charlie Curnow (27), Caleb Marchbank (23), Sam Petrevski-Seton (20), Matthew Kennedy (19), Zac Fisher (17), Ciaran Byrne (15), Tom Williamson (15), David Cuningham (11), Jarrod Pickett (10), Harrison Macreadie (8), Harry McKay (2), Cameron Polson (1), Jesse Glass-McCasker (0), Patrick Kerr (0), Kym Lebois (0)

The standout: Jacob Weitering
One to watch: Jarrod Pickett

- Howard Kotton

Jacob Weitering has leadership stamped all over him. Picture: AFL Photos

 

[Weiterbot23]

You realise 75% would literally be the best ever accuracy yeah? Lockett was 69%.

That's just a cold blooded stats shut down

 

[Soapy V]

AFL experience: Jacob Weitering (42 games), Jack Silvagni (28), Charlie Curnow (27), Caleb Marchbank (23), Sam Petrevski-Seton (20), Matthew Kennedy (19), Zac Fisher (17), Ciaran Byrne (15), Tom Williamson (15), David Cuningham (11), Jarrod Pickett (10), Harrison Macreadie (8), Harry McKay (2), Cameron Polson (1), Jesse Glass-McCasker (0), Patrick Kerr (0), Kym Lebois (0)

Great list and makes it clear where we stand. We will add another 4-6 new kids with zero experience and Darcy Lang has 44 games. Andrew Phillips 31. Nick Graham 38. Jed Lamb 48.

That's more 1/2 our list with less than 50 games. Shows how young we are

It's this group that needs to keep playing in 2018. The sooner most get into the 30 plus range the closer we are to making finals

Our 22 under 50 games:

B: Lamb Weitering Macreadie
HB: Byrne Marchbank Williamson
C: SPS Charlie Pickett
HF: Lang McKay Cuningham
F: Silvagni Kerr LeBois
R: Phillips Kennedy Fisher

Int: Polson Pick 3 Pick 10 Pick 30
E: Graham G-Mac Pick 73

Not a bad side

 

[Smegger]

Great list and makes it clear where we stand. We will add another 4-6 new kids with zero experience and Darcy Lang has 44 games. Andrew Phillips 31. Nick Graham 38. Jed Lamb 48.

That's more 1/2 our list with less than 50 games. Shows how young we are

It's this group that needs to keep playing in 2018. The sooner most get into the 30 plus range the closer we are to making finals

Our 22 under 50 games:

B: Lamb Weitering Macreadie
HB: Byrne Marchbank Williamson
C: SPS Charlie Pickett
HF: Lang McKay Cuningham
F: Silvagni Kerr LeBois
R: Phillips Kennedy Fisher

Int: Polson Pick 3 Pick 10 Pick 30
E: Graham G-Mac Pick 73

Not a bad side

Play the kids?

 

[Soapy V]

Play the kids?

Damn right. Although we don't have any choice and most of those could be best 22 anyway.

 

[COBALT BLUE]

Like it or not we will see Boekhorst Rookied.....another Kane Lucas?
We have to try and see if he can reinforce is late 2017 form and improve in 2018.
Less likely Sumner ,who has struggled with injury all the way through his Afl Career.

 

[Benaly28]

It’s all about getting games into the kids ...

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-18/young-and-restless-who-are-your-clubs-upandcomers

The Blues have invested heavily in youth at recent drafts and trading periods and are banking on this group to lift them back to the top of the ladder. Under the watchful eye of list manager Stephen Silvagni, they have assembled a wide variety of talent with numerous key-position options, pace, skill and X-factors. Although hitting a slight flat spot this year, Jacob Weitering finished third in the NAB AFL Rising Star award in 2016 and has leadership stamped all over him. Charlie Curnow, fourth in the Rising Star this year, has already drawn comparisons with Carlton great Anthony Koutoufides because of his athleticism and strong hands.

On the list: 17

AFL experience: Jacob Weitering (42 games), Jack Silvagni (28), Charlie Curnow (27), Caleb Marchbank (23), Sam Petrevski-Seton (20), Matthew Kennedy (19), Zac Fisher (17), Ciaran Byrne (15), Tom Williamson (15), David Cuningham (11), Jarrod Pickett (10), Harrison Macreadie (8), Harry McKay (2), Cameron Polson (1), Jesse Glass-McCasker (0), Patrick Kerr (0), Kym Lebois (0)

The standout: Jacob Weitering
One to watch: Jarrod Pickett

- Howard Kotton

Jacob Weitering has leadership stamped all over him. Picture: AFL Photos

Howard kotton please,the standout AND the one to watch is clearly Charlie.

 

[Moody Blue]

You realise 75% would literally be the best ever accuracy yeah? Lockett was 69%.

Yes, and why clubs do not do everything to improve the conversion is puzzling. They are awash with money and resources.

 

[Moody Blue]

Great list and makes it clear where we stand. We will add another 4-6 new kids with zero experience and Darcy Lang has 44 games. Andrew Phillips 31. Nick Graham 38. Jed Lamb 48.

That's more 1/2 our list with less than 50 games. Shows how young we are

It's this group that needs to keep playing in 2018. The sooner most get into the 30 plus range the closer we are to making finals

Our 22 under 50 games:

B: Lamb Weitering Macreadie
HB: Byrne Marchbank Williamson
C: SPS Charlie Pickett
HF: Lang McKay Cuningham
F: Silvagni Kerr LeBois
R: Phillips Kennedy Fisher

Int: Polson Pick 3 Pick 10 Pick 30
E: Graham G-Mac Pick 73

Not a bad side

Assuming you can keep them.

 

[LanceRomance]

Yes, and why clubs do not do everything to improve the conversion is puzzling. They are awash with money and resources.

Hamstrings.... BT was employed as a kicking coach but could only do a couple of kicks each with the players because the sports scientists would not let him

 

[Aphrodite]

My opinion
Build a bridge

No need for condescending remarks.

You’re a bully bluella have watched a fair bit before I joined
How about instead of sticking your nose into other people’s business just take a breath and all will be good
Ciao

It's a public forum and we all quote each other all the time. How is that sticking someone's nose in other people's business.

As for labeling Bluella a bully, that is just not on.

How in earth is telling someone to build a bridge hypocritical?
It was more an unjustified answer wher I stated my opinion and build a bridge.
I didn’t tell “posters” I told one poster.
And with your theory, right or wrong, don’t you believe you’re being the hypocrite with not sending me a PM?
There are flaws in your answers but I’ll let you work them out.
If you feel the need to continue PM me otherwise this conversation is as good as beating a dead horse.

Maybe best take your own advice and 'just take a breath and all will be good'

 

[Soapy V]

Assuming you can keep them.

Bloody Hell you're a ray of sunshine

 

[Moody Blue]

Hamstrings.... BT was employed as a kicking coach but could only do a couple of kicks each with the players because the sports scientists would not let him

Back in the 70's and 80's VFL footballers were part timers who worked then trained 4 days per week. A lot of players were tradies who were on their feet all day, finish work and go an train for 2-3 hours on a Tuesday and longer if they were beaten the previous Saturday. They practised their kicking before and after training....not too many hamstring injuries. New wave voodoo science....pff.

 

[true blue19]

Great list and makes it clear where we stand. We will add another 4-6 new kids with zero experience and Darcy Lang has 44 games. Andrew Phillips 31. Nick Graham 38. Jed Lamb 48.

That's more 1/2 our list with less than 50 games. Shows how young we are

It's this group that needs to keep playing in 2018. The sooner most get into the 30 plus range the closer we are to making finals

Our 22 under 50 games:

B: Lamb Weitering Macreadie
HB: Byrne Marchbank Williamson
C: SPS Charlie Pickett
HF: Lang McKay Cuningham
F: Silvagni Kerr LeBois
R: Phillips Kennedy Fisher

Int: Polson Pick 3 Pick 10 Pick 30
E: Graham G-Mac Pick 73

Not a bad side

Love that centre line. What your thinking behind Lamb in the back pocket?

 

[ferrisb]

Our 22 under 50 games:

B: Lamb Weitering Macreadie
HB: Byrne Marchbank Williamson
C: SPS Charlie Pickett
HF: Lang McKay Cuningham
F: Silvagni Kerr LeBois
R: Phillips Kennedy Fisher

Int: Polson Pick 3 Pick 10 Pick 30
E: Graham G-Mac Pick 73

Not a bad side

It's the super (team) of the future...

 

[Soapy V]

Love that centre line. What your thinking behind Lamb in the back pocket?

Just think he is a perfect replacement for Docherty. Hard gut runner, great workrate, has some pace, good defensively and a very good ball user. Will struggle up forward with what we have developing so it may be a good spot for him.

You never know, we may do another Jones

 

[thylacine60]

Like it or not we will see Boekhorst Rookied.....another Kane Lucas?
We have to try and see if he can reinforce is late 2017 form and improve in 2018.
Less likely Sumner ,who has struggled with injury all the way through his Afl Career.

I'm rating Blaine on his finish to the season. Only as good as your last game?

 

[Jimmae]

Back in the 70's and 80's VFL footballers were part timers who worked then trained 4 days per week. A lot of players were tradies who were on their feet all day, finish work and go an train for 2-3 hours on a Tuesday and longer if they were beaten the previous Saturday. They practised their kicking before and after training....not too many hamstring injuries. New wave voodoo science....pff.

They also did a lot less strength and conditioning work, thus less micro-tearing of their muscles.

No doubt that the result of them training for kicking distance had them able to kick further, and thus more accurately in front of goal from 45-60 metres, but the game is much better as an overall spectacle from the increased running power.

 

[true blue19]

Just think he is a perfect replacement for Docherty. Hard gut runner, great workrate, has some pace, good defensively and a very good ball user. Will struggle up forward with what we have developing so it may be a good spot for him.

You never know, we may do another Jones

My only issue is I’m not sure if he has the tank to give us enough run out of defence.

 

[Soapy V]

My only issue is I’m not sure if he has the tank to give us enough run out of defence.

Really? Great runner and tank. Not far behind Ed

 

[Captain crippa]

Back in the 70's and 80's VFL footballers were part timers who worked then trained 4 days per week. A lot of players were tradies who were on their feet all day, finish work and go an train for 2-3 hours on a Tuesday and longer if they were beaten the previous Saturday. They practised their kicking before and after training....not too many hamstring injuries. New wave voodoo science....pff.

If you don’t use it
You lose it

 

[HARKER]

Since we're talking about Charlie Curnow as a possible future CHF (which is quite plausible to me), how could we set out our forward line?

Pickett....Weitering....Cuningham
McKay....CCurnow.....Who knows, but likely a dangerous small?

I like the look of that and I feel it would prove quite dangerous.
Not many would keep up with CCurnow and Weitering through the course of a game and both can kick goals from outsde the 50 arc.
Pickett, Cuningham and player X would have genuine goal-scoring abilities along with plenty of speed and defensive pressure.
Mckay gives us the insurmountable height up front, but would have to build up somewhat to become the relieving ruck.

 

[The Bighouse]

I thought Charlie was to be a CHF?
Kerr to full forward or Weiters but if he’s to play forward CHF suits with Charlie next door on the flank.
LeBois or another forward (Rayner) in the spare spot?

 

[Jimmae]

I thought Charlie was to be a CHF?
Kerr to full forward or Weiters but if he’s to play forward CHF suits with Charlie next door on the flank.
LeBois or another forward (Rayner) in the spare spot?

Harry McKay doesn't like this.

 

[Zlatan]

Since we're talking about Charlie Curnow as a possible future CHF (which is quite plausible to me), how could we set out our forward line?

Pickett....Weitering....Cuningham
McKay....CCurnow.....Who knows, but likely a dangerous small?

I like the look of that and I feel it would prove quite dangerous.
Not many would keep up with CCurnow and Weitering through the course of a game and both can kick goals from outsde the 50 arc.
Pickett, Cuningham and player X would have genuine goal-scoring abilities along with plenty of speed and defensive pressure.
Mckay gives us the insurmountable height up front, but would have to build up somewhat to become the relieving ruck.

If Weitering plays forward, he needs to be kept there for the whole season. I cannot see how swinging him back and forward helped anyone last season. A lot of posters here are of the opinion that he has all the attributes to be a good forward but how is he supposed to learn the craft as a swingman?

Unless there’s extenuating circumstances, the call where he plays should be made before a balls kicked in anger this season.