Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion Part II

[Blue_Fusion]

Just putting it forward from our perspective and not what may come back to us.
If Tom Lynch wants to come to us, we'll find a way without the impost of a GC salary-match.

The way we treat the contract salary is then made to suit with our planning.
This stuff doesn't happen on an in-the-moment situation. It's planned at least one year out and even two.

I'm struggling to comprehend the possibility of getting Kelly (via trading) then Lynch AND Shiel through FA.

We do that and keep our first pick in 2018 draft at all costs and we will be set to take over the AFL in 2020.

The trouble is how the **** are we going to be able to keep all of these gun players? By then Charlie, SPS, Cripps, Doc etc will command more dosh as well.

I guess as the old saying goes, if it sounds to good to be true...

 

[Two Planks]

Maybe i'm just naive...but i'm surprised to learn we've made an offer to Lynch well over a year out from next years trade period when we intend to sign him.

I mean i expect clubs to talk to players from a long way out but to have an offer of substance with $$$ and contract length terms already surprises me.

Ablett and Franklin both agreed terms 12 months out.

 

[skadoosh]

Ablett and Franklin both agreed terms 12 months out.

Have you heard any other Carlton-related information?

 

[F_therest]

Ablett and Franklin both agreed terms 12 months out.

Good point. Any word on Lynch's thoughts of our offer...ie do you think he's seriously considering it or does he see himself sticking with Suns?

 

[F_therest]

I'm struggling to comprehend the possibility of getting Kelly (via trading) then Lynch AND Shiel through FA.

We do that and keep our first pick in 2018 draft at all costs and we will be set to take over the AFL in 2020.

The trouble is how the **** are we going to be able to keep all of these gun players? By then Charlie, SPS, Cripps, Doc etc will command more dosh as well.

I guess as the old saying goes, if it sounds to good to be true...

No one has said we'd get all 3.

I guess they've all been mentioned as targets but we'd have a big list of targets and as we start landing some others drop off...eg yes we're looking into the future and see Shiel as a potential target but if we land Kelly and Lynch before that then the 'get Shiel' plan might go out the window. No way would we have enough money/trading assets.

Has Shiel even been mentioned by a credible poster or is mostly people just dreaming?

 

[Arr0w]

Reckon we need more than just this years trade period to focus on midfielders...if we add Lynch and BSOS to our list we'll have a lot of KPP players on our list...some good players will be squeezed out of our best 22.

Can see us trading some surplus talls for mids to re-balance.

No doubt, will be good to have those options

 

[Two Planks]

Good point. Any word on Lynch's thoughts of our offer...ie do you think he's seriously considering it or does he see himself sticking with Suns?

Absolutely no idea. Reckon all 9 Melbourne clubs will make a huge offer to him.

 

[cookie monster]

No one has said we'd get all 3.

I guess they've all been mentioned as targets but we'd have a big list of targets and as we start landing some others drop off...eg yes we're looking into the future and see Shiel as a potential target but if we land Kelly and Lynch before that then the 'get Shiel' plan might go out the window. No way would we have enough money/trading assets.

Has Shiel even been mentioned by a credible poster or is mostly people just dreaming?

It actually makes a tonne of sense to stage the recruitment of guns on big coin, and progressively front load each contract. As the annual loading on each individual contract eases up, you then get a pot of money free up to go after another free agent and front load his contract. A new pot of gold opens up year on year if you play your cards right from the base we currently sit.

Then for example by 2020, when say Josh Kelly has played 3 years, and earned $4m of a $5m/5 year contract, you either have the ability to chase more FAs or pay your home grown star players their market value.

Saving our cap for a potential 'war chest' later is silly. We should be looking to spend this war chest as early as next year, get the likes of a Kelly in on a 5 year deal, and pay as much of his contract as we possibly can whilst our young brigade are not yet worth of earning big coin

 

[F_therest]

It actually makes a tonne of sense to stage the recruitment of guns on big coin, and progressively front load each contract. As the annual loading on each individual contract eases up, you then get a pot of money free up to go after another free agent and front load his contract. A new pot of gold opens up year on year if you play your cards right from the base we currently sit.

Then for example by 2020, when say Josh Kelly has played 3 years, and earned $4m of a $5m/5 year contract, you either have the ability to chase more FAs or pay your home grown star players their market value.

Saving our cap for a potential 'war chest' later is silly. We should be looking to spend this war chest as early as next year, get the likes of a Kelly in on a 5 year deal, and pay as much of his contract as we possibly can whilst our young brigade are not yet worth of earning big coin

Absolutely agree.

But can't see us getting 3 marquee players of the calibre of Kelly, Lynch & Shiel. 2 at most. Not just about money but also trading assets since i'd expect to have to trade for both Lynch and Shiel.

By the time Shiel becomes FA in 2019 our current youngsters will probably be entitled to decent coin and in this hypothetical we'd already have Kelly & Lynch on the books.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

No one has said we'd get all 3.

I guess they've all been mentioned as targets but we'd have a big list of targets and as we start landing some others drop off...eg yes we're looking into the future and see Shiel as a potential target but if we land Kelly and Lynch before that then the 'get Shiel' plan might go out the window. No way would we have enough money/trading assets.

Has Shiel even been mentioned by a credible poster or is mostly people just dreaming?

Don't you know what the word possibility means?

 

[G-TRAIN07]

Reckon we need more than just this years trade period to focus on midfielders...if we add Lynch and BSOS to our list we'll have a lot of KPP players on our list...some good players will be squeezed out of our best 22.

Can see us trading some surplus talls for mids to re-balance.

I think that's how sos is going about it too

 

[G-TRAIN07]

Can confirm I have also heard similar rumblings from various sources around the traps.

Twitter

 

[G-TRAIN07]

The Gold Coast Suns would fold if Lynch left........

He's their best player, co-captain, a poster-child for the region

I can imagine the look on Gill's face, he wouldn't allow it

Who cares

 

[F_therest]

I think that's how sos is going about it too

I guess he has form at GWS taking key position players even when they didn't necessarily need them...and were able to trade them later on for still pretty good value.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Absolutely agree.

But can't see us getting 3 marquee players of the calibre of Kelly, Lynch & Shiel. 2 at most. Not just about money but also trading assets since i'd expect to have to trade for both Lynch and Shiel.

By the time Shiel becomes FA in 2019 our current youngsters will probably be entitled to decent coin and in this hypothetical we'd already have Kelly & Lynch on the books.

If Shiel costs us our 2019 1st then I'd do that trade instantly.

If you read my post, I clearly said we'd struggle to pay them all but the chance of being part of a dynasty would drastically increase their income when they retire.

Bartel, Ling, Mooney all have prominent media roles. Harley has done well for himself in Sydney. I'd image media roles will be there for Ablett, Johnson and Kelly as well. Then there's the Hawthorn players that have retired this year.

Demand for them wouldn't be there if they didn't win so many flags. So life after footy will be a lot better for them vs if they **** off to another club.

 

[G-TRAIN07]

I guess he has form at GWS taking key position players even when they didn't necessarily need them...and were able to trade them later on for still pretty good value.

Spot on. Load up play them and increase their trade value for ready made midfielders.

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

Just putting it forward from our perspective and not what may come back to us.
If Tom Lynch wants to come to us, we'll find a way without the impost of a GC salary-match.

The way we treat the contract salary is then made to suit with our planning.
This stuff doesn't happen on an in-the-moment situation. It's planned at least one year out and even two.

This is the main issue.
If he had his choice, we wouldn't be no 1.
If another club (pies) offered him a similar deal (which I think they would/might) he would choose them.
I'm 95% sure of that.

 

[F_therest]

This is the main issue.
If he had his choice, we wouldn't be no 1.
If another club (pies) offered him a similar deal (which I think they would/might) he would choose them.
I'm 95% sure of that.

Why?

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

Why?

I just know things.
That's all I really want to say.
A lot of rumours are passed off as fact, I don't work that way.
I'll leave it at that.

 

[GapInIkonPark]

...
We've been into Tom Lynch ever since SOS came on board.

He's one of two free agents I am convinced we'll get. The other is Dylan Shiel.

#DestinationClub

 

[GapInIkonPark]

I'm struggling to comprehend the possibility of getting Kelly (via trading) then Lynch AND Shiel through FA.

We do that and keep our first pick in 2018 draft at all costs and we will be set to take over the AFL in 2020.

The trouble is how the **** are we going to be able to keep all of these gun players? By then Charlie, SPS, Cripps, Doc etc will command more dosh as well.

I guess as the old saying goes, if it sounds to good to be true...

We save $ with Thomas' next contract and the cap goes up ...

 

[Kismet]

This Lynch rumour, whilst I acknowledge Two Planks' credibility, has maybe a feel of a test balloon.

As a hypothetical, if I'm Tom's manager, it's not beyond the realms of possibility I'd get the 'story' out there as a market test/influencer and see the reactions.

Again, Two Planks has the runs on the board, but $1.6 million per year over that term...

 

[Blue Baggers]

Just want to point out that while everyone goes on about Tom Lynch the last couple of flags have been won by teams without a key forward. You need options, it's not the 90's any more. Would rather mids where we actually get more than 30 inside 50's a game

 

[katmanblue]

I just know things.
That's all I really want to say.
A lot of rumours are passed off as fact, I don't work that way.
I'll leave it at that.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Just want to point out that while everyone goes on about Tom Lynch the last couple of flags have been won by teams without a key forward. You need options, it's not the 90's any more. Would rather mids where we actually get more than 30 inside 50's a game

The amount of inside 50's isn't the issue (last week we had 55 to WCE 46), the problem is the quality of i50's. Players just bomb the ball forward without even looking. The bigger problem is it happens from our senior players more often than our younger players.

That's why I want us to chase after Kelly AND Shiel and if it boiled down to Shiel or Lynch as a FA I'd be taking Shiel 100%.