He'd have to tick a lot of boxes, but why rule him out?
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Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion Part II
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He'd have to tick a lot of boxes, but why rule him out?
True but IMO the current youth will easily surpass players like Wright within the next 12 months. Still inconsistent. A better midfield in 2018 will see him pushed out. Handy and a good back up for when we start challenging again.
My vision is always for the future and our next great side.
Port have barely had an injury all year - played their best 22 nearly every week.
Hard to see them going higher next year - will probably slide in my opinion.
How far is the question.
I agree midfield depth is key and can help our forward line connection, just having the talent levels of Murphy, Gibbs and Cripps being able to spend some time inside forward 50 is a significant help to our forward line productivity.I see Plowman as part of defensive rotation. Doesn't matter to me who starts. I like Wright and have no issue playing him but he is very inconsistent. It's why Adelaide delisted him. Like some others on our list when others go past them we will be in a much better position. I also think with a better midfield Gibbs, Murphy Cripps Charlie Hopper Cuningham etc will have better goal scoring options. High hopes for Polson & LeBois if they get a full pre season and if we get Rayner he will play straight away. JMO
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That may have been the case then, but I think most of us look a little deeper than maybe we used to.
The other factor is that we had a terrible development regime. I think it was closer to a 'every man for himself' method, than for any systematic development program. On top of that we didn't take character into the equation as much as we do now. This group of guys have already shown a will, we didn't see through many of the names you dropped.
Really? Best young group I have seen at Carlton in nearly 30 years. Coaching and development also first class as well.
Weitering SPS Charlie Williamson Marchbank Cripps are elite talents. Most clubs would be happy with 1 or 2.
Silvagni Fisher Cuningham Pickett McKay Macreadie are at worst very good.
Polson LeBois Kerr have a lot of talent, just need to step up. I think they will
The Jones Renaissance has helped as well.
Then add Pick 1 and Hopper & Balic who will all be 21 and Under in 2018. WOW
I love the optimism and I love Willo, but how is he in tier 1? May get there in the end, but hasn't shown enough to separate himself from Silvagni/Macreadi at this stage.
Has already ticked the confession box by the sounds of it....
Elite ball use, competitiveness, size and poise beyond his years does it for me. What he can do for someone so young and inexperienced is as impressive as any kid on our list. Just looks an elite player to me. Has all the tools.
Personally I wouldn't lose faith, but consecutive bottom 4 finishes would certainly put the spotlight on us. It would add a lot of pressure to see significant results in 2019.
That's stretching the truth, I count at most 7 (not all of which would realistically be picked together).
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I agree we do seem to have a lot better understanding of it these days but I've also seen plenty of players show as much as SOJ, McKay, Fisher, Cuningham, Pickett and Williamson and go onto be handy at best or not make it at all. I name those 5 players because I'm actually confident they will make it (McKay and Cuningham not more then 50/50 for me).
Yep that's why I was saying earlier I think Bolton is going to be the difference not our talent. Plenty of teams boast lots of young talent and I don't think ours is exceptional but just very good and I think not as good as 2008
Who's lost faith? I couldn't be more excited about the future.
At the start of next year Silvagni SPS McKay Marchbank Weitering Fisher Cuningham Charlie Willo Pickett Byrne will all be under 25 games. That doesn't include Macreadie Kerr Polson & LeBois who I hope will be playing some seniors. It also doesn't include Hopper Balic our first round pick and a new bunch of draftees.
In anyone's language that is a very young side. They will get there but they just need some time. It's all positive but patience is needed.
Absolutely. Not all players drafted in the past two years will make it.....for injury...lack of opportunity...others brought into the club and perform better....form in general...personal issues etc.
It does look promising though and the more of the characters we've been bringing in, the better this club as a whole will be.
I hope he can get himself back to an AFL list, or at least senior WAFL. It won't happen in 2018 though.
Talent is talent and Yarran has more than most .
In a reported shallow draft , someone might roll the rookie draft dice and at only 26yo , if he puts in the work on the training track they might strike gold for very little outlay .
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I agree, I think he's one of our best picks in recent times.Is this where we again, all ask.....How did he drop to pick #61?
Apologies if it's been mentioned previously, but apparently he was in hospital on a drip between the * and West Coast match. Sounds like a few others in the team were ill that week too. (Bolton included)
Next years 1st + change for Kelly
Use this years 1st...if we finish last, on Rayner
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Murphy, Cripps, Gibbs, Kelly, Martin, SPS, Curnow, Fisher, Raynor....not a bad midfield.
Use this years 1st...if we finish last, on Rayner
Dusty Martin FA
Murphy, Cripps, Gibbs, Kelly, Martin, SPS, Curnow, Fisher, Raynor....not a bad midfield.
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Not everyone on that list will be under 25 games
Already:
Weitering 40 games
Silvagni 27 games
Charlie 25 games
even Marchbank is now on 23 games.
Deceptive how many games a few of these guys have already got under their belt. It get what your saying though
Close enough and doesn't change my point. Still very young and as a group a year away from being consistent influential performers.
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Yes we are very young, but these guys are putting a lot of games together as a group which is invaluable. Who knows what the off-season will bring in and what lies in store for the pre-season.
There are a lot of determined and competitive players amongst that list, may be closer than a lot of people think.
Exciting times ahead.
Agree
. I still think 2019 is a bit early based on what other clubs have done and what it usually takes but it wouldn't surprise me for this group to be ahead of the curve. Also agree that the draft/trade period could make a big difference. SOS has a big few weeks ahead. What really excites me is their ability to work hard defensively, do the basics and work to a game plan already. When Bolton thinks they are ready and releases the shackles watch out. There are some extremely exciting players amongst that lot.
Exciting times ahead
Unrealistic. Let's not do this to ourselves.
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