Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion Part II

[Funk]

Whilst this club isn't winning games on the field, the team is trying hard and whilst the provision is there then you ask for it.

There isn't a club in the land that wouldn't.

It's not basketball where one player makes a world of difference, there are 22 in the squad every week.

Rebuilding from where we've come and the restrictions surrounding how you get that talent means a complete rebuild takes a significant amount of time. Grand uber Gil is on record saying he'd like clubs to get better quicker, it's not a secret or a magic formula.

You take what you can when you can, this isn't 05, 06, 07....we are genuinely trying to win games. Injuries have killed us in the last 6 weeks reducing our ability to win more games but we are trying. The fact we sucked dogs balls last year and this year we've won less games but I believe have looked far better means you take advantage of whatever means is available to make your lot better.

Agree - we are still minimum 10 players short of what we need.

We currently have pick 3 and approx 41 plus chaff.

If there is the opportunity to fill one more gap we'd be nuts not to take it.

Eg Witherden last year.

 

[Weiterbot23]

Ask the women here if they agree with that. "Gentlemen" is a particularly specific term. Let's just call out casual sexism when you think we should. That'll sort it.

Why don't you create a specific thread where you tag every gender bias comment and give it your offensive rating out of 10, and link educational content.

That way everyone can discuss the topics in the threads without worrying about non relevant gender appropriate debates. Let the mods take care of any really offensive stuff and everyone's happy?



Apologies to all for derailing the thread

 

[gandaal]

Yet you could've pm'ed the poster and could've expressed your view. Instead you decide to play language police and accuse them of not being interested in females opinions. A particulary negative comment about the persons character aswell.

Funny how people interpret things on a forum differently. You see it as a "particulary negative comment about the persons character", while I found it amusing, and a bit of fun.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Apologies to all for derailing the thread

 

[Blue__Balls]

Funny how people interpret things on a forum differently. You see it as a "particulary negative comment about the persons character", while I found it amusing, and a bit of fun.

And if we're being fair, "Gentlemen" rules out most of the blokes here too...

 

[teagueyubeauty]

There is no chance we are receiving a PP.7 and 5 wins does not 'qualify' for one.2-4 wins over a few years yes.

Agree, don't ask and don't get. Ask and not get but highlight situation in any dealings with Casboult free agency.

Just got to work the makey uppey system....

 

[Azul]

And if we're being fair, "Gentlemen" rules out most of the blokes here too...

Some little shit half my age at a café yesterday called me "Sir".

Sir, can you believe it? I was most offended. Or I would have been if I wasn't a card-carrying long-haired Gen-X slacker, too melancholic to raise my voice.

 

[MileHigh]

Watched Pickett in the pre-season comp against Freo live in Perth and he was a shining light with 3 goals. Can anyone tell me where he sits in the clubs plans? Is he not up to standard? Being missing through injury? Learning his trade in the 2s? For a very high draft pick and from what I saw pre season I was expecting him to be in the best 22 most of the year.

 

[Jimmae]

Watched Pickett in the pre-season comp against Freo live in Perth and he was a shining light with 3 goals. Can anyone tell me where he sits in the clubs plans? Is he not up to standard? Being missing through injury? Learning his trade in the 2s? For a very high draft pick and from what I saw pre season I was expecting him to be in the best 22 most of the year.

Fitness.

 

[FilthyRon]

Interesting Idea re getting Kelly from GWS. 1st Rounder - which allows them to get Brander if they want him or whoever, and Rowe. We have a bit of excess talent in defence and they are a little light.

 

[De Iulio2Wiggins]

Interesting Idea re getting Kelly from GWS. 1st Rounder - which allows them to get Brander if they want him or whoever, and Rowe. We have a bit of excess talent in defence and they are a little light.

Would be like them saying, "Interesting idea re getting Cripps from Carlton. 1st Rounder and Steve Johnson. We have a bit of excess talent in attack and they are a little light."

 

[Foucault1989]

Interesting Idea re getting Kelly from GWS. 1st Rounder - which allows them to get Brander if they want him or whoever, and Rowe. We have a bit of excess talent in defence and they are a little light.

I don't think Sam Rowe is on the magnet board at the GWS list management meetings. Holds zero currency. It's basically pick 3 for Kelly. Besides Gibbs and draft picks, I don't think we have much currency that we would be prepared to float or that anyone would accept.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

We do, I reckon Jones would be on their magnet board....add a mid to late first rounder from potential Gibbs deal.

Take pick 3 to the draft

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Watched Pickett in the pre-season comp against Freo live in Perth and he was a shining light with 3 goals. Can anyone tell me where he sits in the clubs plans? Is he not up to standard? Being missing through injury? Learning his trade in the 2s? For a very high draft pick and from what I saw pre season I was expecting him to be in the best 22 most of the year.

If you watch his draft highlights he look a genuine midfielder... and a v v good one at that..I reckon he is a type that needs to be in the game the whole match so the small forward role we tried with him didnt quite work.. and ATM he doesnt have the fitness required to be a midfielder at AFL level.. A full preseason and we might have a different player.

 

[Sector 7G]

If you watch his draft highlights he look a genuine midfielder... and a v v good one at that..I reckon he is a type that needs to be in the game the whole match so the small forward role we tried with him didnt quite work.. and ATM he doesnt have the fitness required to be a midfielder at AFL level.. A full preseason and we might have a different player.

What I hear is he needs to give up the KFC. Hopefully Walks can get him into shape over the preseason.

 

[Broadside]

We do, I reckon Jones would be on their magnet board....add a mid to late first rounder from potential Gibbs deal.

Take pick 3 to the draft

perhaps GWS is seeking pick 1 so they can trade for Liam Jones. They'll need to offer more than that, he's a contracted player.

 

[rp84]

What I hear is he needs to give up the KFC. Hopefully Walks can get him into shape over the preseason.

stuff that

 

[Robertio]

Adam White this morning on RSN radio said he didn't rate our list and said our Rs nominations outside CC are peripheral players and the reason why we've performed in most games is because of our senior players which makes some sense but I wouldn't call Marchbank or Sps as peripheral players,what else would you expect from an Essendon supporter.

Yeah my aunty Agnes said the same thing.She knows nothing about footy as well.

 

[rp84]

perhaps GWS is seeking pick 1 so they can trade for Liam Jones. They'll need to offer more than that, he's a contracted player.

Statistically the best defender in the league since he started playing in the firsts...

 

[Blue__Balls]

perhaps GWS is seeking pick 1 so they can trade for Liam Jones. They'll need to offer more than that, he's a contracted player.

Maybe we can cut a deal if they take a salary dump on our behalf?

Pick 1 for Jones + Palmer?

 

[Cripps17]

Watched Pickett in the pre-season comp against Freo live in Perth and he was a shining light with 3 goals. Can anyone tell me where he sits in the clubs plans? Is he not up to standard? Being missing through injury? Learning his trade in the 2s? For a very high draft pick and from what I saw pre season I was expecting him to be in the best 22 most of the year.

SOS drafted him at pick 4 and then targeted him at the Blues - would suggest he's highly regarded by us.

Easy to forget he's playing the season only a year older than SPS. Next to Charlie he's the player I'm looking forward most to seeing develop - I reckon he'll be a star.

 

[therubbernub]

Fitness.

soo he WAS fit and then became unfitter?

 

[FoeverBlues]

If you watch his draft highlights he look a genuine midfielder... and a v v good one at that..I reckon he is a type that needs to be in the game the whole match so the small forward role we tried with him didnt quite work.. and ATM he doesnt have the fitness required to be a midfielder at AFL level.. A full preseason and we might have a different player.

He looked like a dashing defender and took kick out duty too

 

[thylacine60]

Yeah my aunty Agnes said the same thing.She knows nothing about footy as well.

stfu - I rate Agnes......

 

[LordLucifer]

If they're just depth (not best 22), it's inconsequential. Can I remind you GWS had Palmer on their list last year? Played 12 games too. They've also got Mzungu and De Boer this year.

Even the most talented list in history has strong-bodied role players.

Ross Lyon's 09-10 teams were stacked full of them and they probably should've snagged at least one premiership.

Ross Lyon's team WAS stacked with them and they fell short because of it.

I really don't want to read people sprouting about how we need to hold onto "depth players" and then follow up in an in-match thread calling for those same players to be banished for ever as soon as possible because they are not up to it.

It comes across as an ever repeating circular discussion that bores the bejesus out of me.

I accept that there will be players in positions 31-40 who may not be the first picked or relied on but there really needs to be a change in the mindset of supporters about this if they want to be more successful onfield and finals.