Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion Part II

[Soapy V]

I rate Phillips but more as a no.1 ruck who can push forward rather than the other way around.

Not sure the balance of Phillips ans Kreuzer worked that we'll last year...Phillips a little bit too much of a lumbering ruckman to play 70% of games up forward imo but he could improve. Showed he can certainly take a grab and kick goals from 50m when uninjured and in form.

Big reason Kruezer has had a great year as he is playing ruck nearly all game. That suits his workrate. Phillips is a bit the same. Both workhorses. When they drop time on middle they struggle. Not suitable to play both in same side but next year at time we may have to

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

Weitering is surplus to our needs.

I've heard it all now!

Watch how he goes tomorrow
You'll have a better understanding of facts on the ground v idealism


Six tall defenders mean you don't need them all
Kelly over weitering any day
On top of that defences are not where it's all at
Sydney created a defensive unit with rookies

 

[Arr0w]

Fair points. The only difference I have is why can't McKay relieve Kruezer in the ruck in 2018?

He is big and strong enough and will be better in 2018 in his third year. I believe it helps with development having a different role and being involved one the play more.

If a kid like him starts to feel it you rest him for a week but you don't hide them in a game. 15 or more games next year as a forward/ruck next year will do him wonders

I believe he will become a fantastic key forward part time ruck much like Daniher and as good if not better

No doubt Soapy and that is how they should start, to use him next year.

 

[Jimmae]

Big reason Kruezer has had a great year as he is playing ruck nearly all game. That suits his workrate. Phillips is a bit the same. Both workhorses. When they drop time on middle they struggle. Not suitable to play both in same side but next year at time we may have to

Big difference here is that Phillips has never been able to run out an AFL game in such fashion; Kreuzer has always been able to.

 

[I AM CARLTON]

Watch how he goes tomorrow
You'll have a better understanding of facts on the ground v idealism


Six tall defenders mean you don't need them all
Kelly over weitering any day
On top of that defences are not where it's all at
Sydney created a defensive unit with rookies

Who are the 6 tall defenders?

 

[LanceRomance]

I've finally figured out how things work around here.

Let's trade Cripps and Charlie Curnow!

Agreed.

And let's bring in an old favourite who is a nephew of someone we know that is floundering in the VFL to fill the gap.
Totally moneyball it.

 

[HBF]

We can do Richmond a favour and take Lennon off them and the pieces now fit.

Reckon we could get Lennon as a DFA.

 

[Red Bull]

That would be crazy as they're part of the future.
It's the past we should be looking at trading. Clean slate. New start. Full steam ahead.

Won't get many likes with this kind of posting Harker ...

 

[HBF]

Killing it?

He's doing ok for a 19 year old.

 

[Aphrodite]

Watch how he goes tomorrow
You'll have a better understanding of facts on the ground v idealism


Six tall defenders mean you don't need them all
Kelly over weitering any day
On top of that defences are not where it's all at
Sydney created a defensive unit with rookies

Not possible ....... we are playing tonight.

With all due respect, I don't agree with what you are saying and just because I am female, doesn't mean I don't have an understanding of the game I have followed for over 40yrs.

Nothing to do with idealism.

 

[Robbo's my hero]

Off target? I dont mind vicco, maybe Sydney? I will stand by my call though, I was pro sport for over 2 decades and nothing caused more trouble than overpaid underperformers. No matter how chirpy. The media sledges printed mid week by Nathan Brown went along the lines of $47g a touch. Thats a personal sledge and a sledge on CFC. He gets a shepherd from the crew here but nothing posted has ever made me think CFCs dollars were well spent. I'd put the hovercraft with 'can you smell what we are cooking' stencilled on the thing at CHF before Daisy. If he gets resigned there will be ballistics.

I don't agree but maybe Melbourne was a bit harsh.

 

[Abyss]

Fair points. The only difference I have is why can't McKay relieve Kruezer in the ruck in 2018?

He is big and strong enough and will be better in 2018 in his third year. I believe it helps with development having a different role and being involved one the play more.

If a kid like him starts to feel it you rest him for a week but you don't hide them in a game. 15 or more games next year as a forward/ruck next year will do him wonders

I believe he will become a fantastic key forward part time ruck much like Daniher and as good if not better

I think that is the way to go, McKay and Kruze. But again, apart from Wright they are all still relative unknowns, no one has kicked a bag or consistently kicked multiples, and Carltons big men seem to be permently injured. Going back to the Warnock and Hampson days, trading Jacobs, wheres our Nakervis or the like. If Kruze gets injured 2018 can be basically written off. Ruck position is evolving sure, itd be great to see something leading edge from CFC next year but trading proven players hasnt been a strong point. You could do worse than Cas and Kruz and this talk of an injured Redpath trade just hints at more pain in an area that at least we are holding ground at present. Let Bolts get the small fry happening first otherwise Cripps will end up playing ruck, full forward and mid field. Gorringe and Phillips get on the park for 2' and then off injured for the season seems to be plan b at the moment. At least one area needs to remain competitive until some alternative is viable.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Who are the 6 tall defenders?

Weitering, Marchbank, Rowe, ASOS, Jones and Macreadie. That's 6 and 7 if you also count JGM. Plowman's also on the tall side at 191cm.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

And that is the problem, right there!!

Due of our poor list management in the past, Casboult has been used as a main KPF, when in any other side he would be the 2nd string forward/ruck.

Develop the likes of a Harry and Casboult will be a valuable assistant short term

And he wants $2M+ over 4 years. What I'm saying is, we can find other options for cheaper, he's not worth that but he's trying to milk out as much as he can (I don't blame him for that btw, I would too if I were in his position) knowing we're low on replacements at the moment.

A 2nd string kpf/ruck is not vital to a team the money is better off being spent on the midfield that we so desperately need to develop.

 

[I AM CARLTON]

Weitering, Marchbank, Rowe, ASOS, Jones and Macreadie. That's 6 and 7 if you also count JGM. Plowman's also on the tall side at 191cm.

Ok cool ive got Weiters, Jones and Marchbank as our main defenders. If Weiters goes forward Macreadie can come into the backline.
Rowe and ASOS both 30 this year so not long term options.

 

[SurreyBlue]

I've finally figured out how things work around here.

Let's trade Cripps and Charlie Curnow!

This has been happening for 20 years. It's the new Carlton, sell and tank for top 5 pick and then just replay again and again and again....

 

[Blue_Fusion]

That would be crazy as they're part of the future.
It's the past we should be looking at trading. Clean slate. New start. Full steam ahead.

That was just someone trying to be funny.

They read trade JW but they don't read reasoning behind it.

Can't trade Cripps and Curnow as it is obvious they are elite young players. They've already proven it.

I do definitely think Cripps needs an elite mid his age to help him out as part of the future midfield group and Kelly is the man in my mind. Shiel in 2019 and we're talking.

All of the older brigade apart from a maybe Kreuze and ASOS should be open to being traded to get whatever value we can from them. Guys like Thomas, Simmo, Rowe won't get us anything so we're better off keeping them until the youngsters are ready to take over.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Tippett not having a bad game. Could be an option.

 

[Arr0w]

And he wants $2M+ over 4 years. What I'm saying is, we can find other options for cheaper, he's not worth that but he's trying to milk out as much as he can (I don't blame him for that btw, I would too if I were in his position) knowing we're low on replacements at the moment.

A 2nd string kpf/ruck is not vital to a team the money is better off being spent on the midfield that we so desperately need to develop.

You never give up do you.

You suggested that other people were suggesting viable options and I gave you my opinion regarding that.

You then state that he is the main KPF, when everyone knows he would be a 2nd string KPF/RucKman in any other side (Glad you have come on board, by the way)

Now you go back to a rumour about money, which there is no evidence of $500K a year, in fact Tigers have come out to say they are not interested.

Unless you have any other facts, rather than your emotional opinion, think we can move on

 

[Quazza]

Weiters is surplus to our needs.

I genuinely rate Macreadie as good or better as a defender.

please......

 

[Blue_Fusion]

You never give up do you.

You suggested that other people were suggesting viable options and I gave you my opinion regarding that.

You then state that he is the main KPF, when everyone knows he would be a 2nd string KPF/RucKman in any other side (Glad you have come on board, by the way)

Now you go back to a rumour about money, which there is no evidence of $500K a year, in fact Tigers have come out to say they are not interested.

Unless you have any other facts, rather than your emotional opinion, think we can move on

Give up on what? Casboult is not the kind of player we should be splashing money on. He gives up/doesn't work hard and his kicking even though improved for ONE YEAR is still not up to it especially when under pressure. He has no football brains either, keeps making dumb decisions and the final nail in the coffin for me is that he is undisciplined every game he gives away dumb free kicks (notice the plural there).

Kicking 30 goals as a main target is nowhere near enough. Play him as a 2nd string kpf he'll give us what, 20 goals MAX if he has an amazing year by his standards.

So, you want me to settle on having that as a key component to our forward line? Not a chance.

I still think we will be fine, we have Charlie, Harry, Jack, Kerr, Ben eventually and we can find an older type for cheap in the meantime or use Rowe while they develop. Weitering is also an option to play forward especially considering the surplus of kpds we have. We could even give Jaksch a one year deal for cheap and give him a go.

You however always seem to want to get the last word in always telling me to "let it go" or "move on". LOL ok mate, I'll let you get your last word when you respond to this one, but it's not going to change my opinion on Cas.

 

[StandByyourMan]

Give up on what? Casboult is not the kind of player we should be splashing money on. He gives up/doesn't work hard and his kicking even though improved for ONE YEAR is still not up to it especially when under pressure. He has no football brains either, keeps making dumb decisions and the final nail in the coffin for me is that he is undisciplined every game he gives away dumb free kicks (notice the plural there).

Kicking 30 goals as a main target is nowhere near enough. Play him as a 2nd string kpf he'll give us what, 20 goals MAX if he has an amazing year by his standards.

So, you want me to settle on having that as a key component to our forward line? Not a chance.

I still think we will be fine, we have Charlie, Harry, Jack, Kerr, Ben eventually and we can find an older type for cheap in the meantime or use Rowe while they develop. Weitering is also an option to play forward especially considering the surplus of kpds we have. We could even give Jaksch a one year deal for cheap and give him a go.

Get a room guys.

 

[Arr0w]

Give up on what? Casboult is not the kind of player we should be splashing money on. He gives up/doesn't work hard and his kicking even though improved for ONE YEAR is still not up to it especially when under pressure. He has no football brains either, keeps making dumb decisions and the final nail in the coffin for me is that he is undisciplined every game he gives away dumb free kicks (notice the plural there).

Kicking 30 goals as a main target is nowhere near enough. Play him as a 2nd string kpf he'll give us what, 20 goals MAX if he has an amazing year by his standards.

So, you want me to settle on having that as a key component to our forward line? Not a chance.

I still think we will be fine, we have Charlie, Harry, Jack, Kerr, Ben eventually and we can find an older type for cheap in the meantime or use Rowe while they develop. Weitering is also an option to play forward especially considering the surplus of kpds we have. We could even give Jaksch a one year deal for cheap and give him a go.

Be patient mate, Casboult is not the reason we are where we are

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Get a room guys.

Footy discussion bothering you?

 

[Robertio]

Watch how he goes tomorrow
You'll have a better understanding of facts on the ground v idealism


Six tall defenders mean you don't need them all
Kelly over weitering any day
On top of that defences are not where it's all at
Sydney created a defensive unit with rookies

Maybe your right, we don't need 6 tall defenders. But it Won't be Weitering we trade out my amigo.