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Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion Part II
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I disagree. If I was Dusty and I had absolutely no future in media or as an obvious advertising role, or anything generally legal, I'd take as much money as I could get from whoever was willing to pay me. What sort of payday is he going to get after retiring as a one-club player?
How good was Byrne on the weekend and how much have we missed him. I know we've got plenty of high quality defenders but he and Williamson running of the backline makes me drool uncontrollably.
I also love how Willo takes a bounce nearly every time he gets the ball.
But seriously bringing in a fit, post-pre season Byrne next year is like a new recruit.
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I also love how Willo takes a bounce nearly every time he gets the ball.
But seriously bringing in a fit, post-pre season Byrne next year is like a new recruit.
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Why do you think that? What makes you think the player drafted with the pick Gibbs would get us would be more likely to help us win a premiership in 2020 then he would?
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Just browsing the Norf board and there is a prevailing view (not isolated) that Dusty to Norf on 1.5 would be a good thing. It's a strange claim. They are 2 years behind us in rebuilding their club, possibly more as I am giving them the benefit of the doubt in knowing where their list is really at. They'll have a bunch of older players retiring, and their 25-30 bracket is sparse when it comes to talent. Essentially they need a proper rebuild and are at least 5-6 years from contending for a flag. Yet some of them seem to think that spending a massive proportion of their cap on one mid is the right thing to do. Very good player, but not worth 1.5. He's worth what Richmond is seemingly prepared to pay him. So paying way overs for a guy who doesn't actually fit the premiership window, and will end up driving out proper young talent they need when that window eventually opens. Madness.
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Surprised with Rowe. Thought he might retire. Perhaps he will do a Scotland and get rookied
Thought they may have delisted Rowe and advised him that they would pick him back up as a Rookie.
They pretty much said Daisy was safe but Boekhurst & Graham may be chopped if we want to look at late National Draft picks
He's been very good and is ahead of schedule with knee. Still has a few years and can fill many roles. Important part of list
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I know this sounds a bit negative but please let's not resign Boekhurst for two more years.
Yes, in two games (only 2) he has shown some good bits of play. Bits and pieces. In others and over the years he has been here, he has shown mostly horror form, scared outside, cant hold feet, cant take a contested grab, hardly sticks a tackle, runs the boundary as close as you can, and poor kicking. Yes, he can do these things for 2/3 games to earn a 300-400k contract...but he cant sustain it.
The guy is out of contract and what we have seen this year is his absolute best. He is close enough to peak AFL age as we took him at an older age. His body wont get much bigger from here. Please, lets not fall into his trap of trying his absolute hardest for 3 matches and then have him on our list for 2 more years. Like Buckley, he gets ragdolled and cant hold his feet in any useful situation. He cant think through things like a Fisher who is so mentally quick he hardly gets caught.
We should thank him and he can thrive back in the WAFL. Wayne Hughes, again, **** you very much.
When looking to retain a player you have to look at a decent body of work. He just doesnt have that. LJ was a change of position and a larger stretch of games...and is also still a risk come the new season that he might revert now that he has got a contract.
Go baggers and sign Cuningham fast. Love that guy. hits hard, can kick.
Yes, in two games (only 2) he has shown some good bits of play. Bits and pieces. In others and over the years he has been here, he has shown mostly horror form, scared outside, cant hold feet, cant take a contested grab, hardly sticks a tackle, runs the boundary as close as you can, and poor kicking. Yes, he can do these things for 2/3 games to earn a 300-400k contract...but he cant sustain it.
The guy is out of contract and what we have seen this year is his absolute best. He is close enough to peak AFL age as we took him at an older age. His body wont get much bigger from here. Please, lets not fall into his trap of trying his absolute hardest for 3 matches and then have him on our list for 2 more years. Like Buckley, he gets ragdolled and cant hold his feet in any useful situation. He cant think through things like a Fisher who is so mentally quick he hardly gets caught.
We should thank him and he can thrive back in the WAFL. Wayne Hughes, again, **** you very much.
When looking to retain a player you have to look at a decent body of work. He just doesnt have that. LJ was a change of position and a larger stretch of games...and is also still a risk come the new season that he might revert now that he has got a contract.
Go baggers and sign Cuningham fast. Love that guy. hits hard, can kick.
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It's a strange road to go down but would be interesting to watch.
I guess their theory is get Kelly and Martin and all of a sudden they have the best midfield in the comp, which is probably true. Forward line isn't too bad and with that supply could be dangerous. Backline is meh but not terrible. I think teams have seen what Danger has done to Geelong and think you can turn it around quickly with elite players
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I don't care about 2020. That is the year of window opens and we should start to be competing for the top 4. I care about the years 2020 to 2025.
Between now and then all we are doing is embarking upon a systematic and methodical rebuilding of the entire list. I anticipate that in addition to this year and next year (where we will again finish bottom six) we will also need 2019 as well (we may scrape into the eight in 2019 or just out of it). We are playing the long game here.
Journey. Roadmap. Green shoots.
Loading up on young players while retaining senior players in an effort to pinch a flag early is ridiculous. When that window opens in 2020 I want a period of sustained success over at least half a decade. In order to obtain the best chance of that sustained success we need as many young talented players into the list between now and then as we can obtain (without gutting the list totally of mature talent and experience).
We need to obtain 1 more gun key forward (Lynch?) and 4 to 5 gun to elite midfielders, and we need a gun Ruckman.
I want to be hitting the 2020 season with majority of the list age 25 and under, and only a handful of players aged over 25.
The next 2 to 3 years it is all about refining the game plan (including developing a more offensive game style in addition to building on our already awesome defence) getting games into our kids, and concentrating as much elite talent under the age of 25 as we can get into the list.
We can let Gibbs go in order to obtain a another good draft pick. That draft pick is the currency that we need in order to get in more elite players under the age of 25.
We then get a player like Gibbs when the window opens as a free agent.
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How many AFL games has he played in order to put together a credible body of work? Crikey, I think I just defended Boekhorst.
I doubt you'd get much argument from this board. I say trade him while he's got some currency.
Apparently there's a rumour that we're looking at swapping him for Harley Balic at Freo. From what I've read on him I'd do this deal no probs.
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Feels good doesn't it? Warm and fuzzy
This....your 100% correct, not trying to deminish the bloke but Dusty is a footballer - that's it... I'll add that he's a bloody good footballer, but he is uneducated, has no interest in the media & his future employment doesn't appear (at this point in time) to be promising. Good luck to him, he will make millions and should cash in on every cent possible, I have no doubt that he is smart enough to be getting good financial advice & when he retires he can do whatever makes him happy. The key is for him to get Paid! Tigers screwed him last time, I'm tipping that's going to come back and bite them
Boekhurst surprised me on the weekend. Thought he was gawn as a footballer. Just like I thought Jones was the worst trade decision the club had made since Mick McGuane.
I was wrong on Jones. As for BB this weekends game is shaping up as a very important test.
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I was wrong on Jones. As for BB this weekends game is shaping up as a very important test.
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I honestly hope not.
We are not retaining Gibbs for the chance of getting a flag while he's around. We retained him purely as experience and to give us a core of maturity to enable us to play the kids around.
Gibbs and Murphy are not getting a flag at Carlton. Accept that and move on.
Last year we valued Gibbs experience more than what Adelaide were offering to pay in exchange. If we had have traded him last year the kids we played this year would have been flogged from pillar to post.
We've got a solid 20 more games into all of our kids this year. If we were to also obtain Kellys services, Gibbs experience suddenly become superfluous to needs when weighted against his trade value of a mid first rounder.
Getting Kelly in enables a trade of Gibbs. If trading Gibbs gets us pick 12, and we can trade [4 and 12] to GWS for say.. [Kelly and 23], then that is a massive win when our window opens early next decade.
I actually disagree that Dusty has no earning capacity post-footy. With the right management support he does have commercial value. Kids love him, and he played for the biggest Victorian club. I don't accept that it's all now and nothing later. Agree the variable is some of his scaly mates and whether he can keep it on the straight and narrow, but he's actually managed pretty well given his background.
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Played 23 AFL games. Half the time dropped and half the time injured since being here. Cant use youth as an excuse as mature age recruit.
Can't find how many games he has played in the VFL. 9 for 2017 but earlier years?
You want the Boek to kick on?
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Replacing Gibbs with a FA is a lot easier said then done and really can't be relied on.
If we managed to get Kelly and Hopper imo it changes everything. It's going to be a lot easier to win a premiership with three near A graders in Murphy, Gibbs and Kruezer then it will be later on when they are all retired. We then have to find another three gun players from somewhere without high draft picks and without over paying FA who may or may not present themselves
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