Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion

[DangerousD]

Watching Fisher take possession at speed, running towards the goal on his non preferred about 20m out only for him to u-turn on to his left nearly made me throw my beer, all AFL players should have a basic skill level on their non preferred. Would of loved to have seen him have a crack regardless.

 

[AB_Blue]

Watching Fisher take possession at speed, running towards the goal on his non preferred about 20m out only for him to u-turn on to his left nearly made me throw my beer, all AFL players should have a basic skill level on their non preferred. Would of loved to have seen him have a crack regardless.

It was a poor decision and then a worse one not to give it off first time.

He will learn....


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[Dramoth]

Agree with every player you put up except for picket,let's see how he goes with a full pre season.

Talk to the sheik about that... LordLucifer as he is known now.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

I had to strip emotion out of things when putting that forward, but if...if...a pick #3 was there for us, what do we do?
It would have to be seriously evaluated and it couldn't be/wouldn't be, simply dismissed off-hand.

Agreed, its a big if, but it will be considered for sure. Unlikely to receive such compo for him IMO.

 

[Benaly28]

Watching Fisher take possession at speed, running towards the goal on his non preferred about 20m out only for him to u-turn on to his left nearly made me throw my beer, all AFL players should have a basic skill level on their non preferred. Would of loved to have seen him have a crack regardless.

He will learn from that.

 

[ShanDog]

Think he already know his right foot needs work. A lot of work.

 

[RAPPA]

Watching Fisher take possession at speed, running towards the goal on his non preferred about 20m out only for him to u-turn on to his left nearly made me throw my beer, all AFL players should have a basic skill level on their non preferred. Would of loved to have seen him have a crack regardless.

Simmo has gotten away with it for 272 games and counting. Although I have seen him twice this year throw the ball onto his right foot for a 30 metre kick. I just think it's a lack of confidence. Surprised he didn't try to banana it through with the left foot.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Watching Fisher take possession at speed, running towards the goal on his non preferred about 20m out only for him to u-turn on to his left nearly made me throw my beer, all AFL players should have a basic skill level on their non preferred. Would of loved to have seen him have a crack regardless.

I would have thought a player like Simon White with basic turnovers week in week out would make you throw your beer. Or Matty Wright dropping a chest mark. I'd throw Cripps' blunder in there too but at least he made up for it big time. Not something you'd expect from a more senior player.

But a kid playing big time in only what, his 4th game? Give him a chance. I'd bet he could have kicked on his non-preferred but the thought process might have been something like "I better not stuff this up, I'll try to kick on my preferred". He had seconds to make that choice. In the first half he was one of the hardest workers and contributed to keeping us in it.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

I had to strip emotion out of things when putting that forward, but if...if...a pick #3 was there for us, what do we do?
It would have to be seriously evaluated and it couldn't be/wouldn't be, simply dismissed off-hand.

Pick #3 would be band 1 compo if we finish 2nd last wouldn't it?

Kreuze is VERY important at this stage. But my answer to that question is yes. I would take pick#3. Kreuze is great when he's up and running but we have to consider he hasn't been up and running as much as we would've liked. Injuries have been cruel to him. We also have to factor in his age. How much quality football are we going to get from Kreuze vs a top 3 pick?

 

[F_therest]

Pick #3 would be band 1 compo if we finish 2nd last wouldn't it?

Kreuze is VERY important at this stage. But my answer to that question is yes. I would take pick#3. Kreuze is great when he's up and running but we have to consider he hasn't been up and running as much as we would've liked. Injuries have been cruel to him. We also have to factor in his age. How much quality football are we going to get from Kreuze vs a top 3 pick?

IMO in the hypothetical of possibly getting pick #3 for Kreuz i think it's a no brainer to take it.

I love Kreuz and he's important but pick #3 could net us someone like Petracca, Bont, Parish, Kelly, Billings etc and would be a win/win/win for us, the club getting Kreuzer and Kreuzer himself probably since he'd be going to a contender. It would hurt initially, but in 4 years time & beyond when we're contending and we have a 22 year old star like Kelly on our list while Kreuzer is near retirement, we'll see it as a good decision.

However, i don't think this hypothetical is any chance of coming true, firstly since i don't think we'll finish 3rd last. Secondly i'd be surprised if we were to get an offer high enough to trigger band 1.

 

[F_therest]

Totally agree. Fisher will improve a lot as will Charlie & SPS. Cripps is a gun and I have high hopes for Polson & Cuningham. Williamson could be become a mid as well but looks very assured in defence. Murphy still has a couple of years as a genuine star mid and I think he will develop as a small forward/mid as he gets older. Ed is still only 27.

Sumner & Pickett are wildcards as outside runners with speed and class. If they can step up it will make a massive difference.

Add Hopper & Balic plus another 3-4 quality mids through the draft and we look very very good. Just time and patience.

Just this game?

Every game has showed us up as relying too much on too few.
I don't think anyone is saying to not get mids, but the priority must be to bolster our midfield with at least a couple of ready-to-go mids along with drafting for them, if the situation allows.

True, though there has been some debate of late of prioritising key forwards over mids. I'm certainly in the mids camp.

Well at least we already know we are going to target ready-to-go mids via trade at the end of this year plus drafting more...Bolton mentioned in his post-game presser that St Kilda have strong midfield depth and that it's something we're 'buildling towards'.

Plus all the credible rumours so far is that we're targeting mids like Hopper, Kelly, Kennedy, Balic & Smith.

 

[Wickzki]

Yep, this kid ain't got much going forward. Not at all.

I'm biased (his family are good friends of my ex's family).

 

[Blue_Fusion]

IMO in the hypothetical of possibly getting pick #3 for Kreuz i think it's a no brainer to take it.

I love Kreuz and he's important but pick #3 could net us someone like Petracca, Bont, Parish, Kelly, Billings etc and would be a win/win/win for us, the club getting Kreuzer and Kreuzer himself probably since he'd be going to a contender. It would hurt initially, but in 4 years time & beyond when we're contending and we have a 22 year old star like Kelly on our list while Kreuzer is near retirement, we'll see it as a good decision.

However, i don't think this hypothetical is any chance of coming true, firstly since i don't think we'll finish 3rd last. Secondly i'd be surprised if we were to get an offer high enough to trigger band 1.

Yep. Most likely would get a pick at end of round 1.

 

[BobP]

Kreuzer has been a revelation this season, he's always had it in him but it's all come together for him.

I'd only consider trading him if we had already bedded in another young ruckman who had the potential of replacing him, not sure we have that right now.

Philips is so and so, Korcheck probably won't make it.

Another option is picking up a ruckman who hasn't been given an opportunity from another club.

 

[skadoosh]

I reckon the people who are calling for Rowe to be out of the team now are crazy. He's a mature body, and only has had 11 goals kicked on him in the last 7 games. Don't believe you can leave Marchbank or Weitering on the full forward just yet. Both are great at intercept marks, but just aren't big enough yet.

When do we see Rowe naturally being pushed out of the team and by who? It's very hard to say, it's not like we have another ready made full back waiting to come in...

EDIT: Come to think of it, I'm fine with Rowe in the team no questions asked. He's the least of our problems right now. Yes, his kicking and decision making can be a bit slow and off - but as long as he's spoiling delivery into the F50 he's doing his job. I'm not greedy - anything more than that I'd consider a bonus. Of course it'd be amazing if he could be a Rance and be a rebounding defender PLUS top line spoiler, but we really don't have another full back to replace him right now.

 

[DangerousD]

Simmo has gotten away with it for 272 games and counting. Although I have seen him twice this year throw the ball onto his right foot for a 30 metre kick. I just think it's a lack of confidence. Surprised he didn't try to banana it through with the left foot.

I also have noticed Simmo do it a lot more and all i could think was, if you had of been doing that everytime then you would be so much better at it by now.

 

[DangerousD]

I would have thought a player like Simon White with basic turnovers week in week out would make you throw your beer. Or Matty Wright dropping a chest mark. I'd throw Cripps' blunder in there too but at least he made up for it big time. Not something you'd expect from a more senior player.

But a kid playing big time in only what, his 4th game? Give him a chance. I'd bet he could have kicked on his non-preferred but the thought process might have been something like "I better not stuff this up, I'll try to kick on my preferred". He had seconds to make that choice. In the first half he was one of the hardest workers and contributed to keeping us in it.

I missed the first half so i can not comment on any blunders from that part of the game, Fishers lack of right foot highlighted a pet hate of mine, not just him doing it but any player. By time a kid is drafted in to AFL most have played 5-8 years of football, i don't think it's unreasonable that these guys have a basic skill level on their non preferred for moments like Fisher had.

 

[DangerousD]

Yep, this kid ain't got much going forward. Not at all.

I'm biased (his family are good friends of my ex's family).

He is an absolute beast, i scratch my head and question anybodies brain who thinks he isn't a star of the future.

 

[Blue For Life]

I don't think we'll take on any FA's this year, but would be happy to accept a 2nd band compo for Casboult, should the situation allow.

Can't see Levi in our long term plans and he may not have a better opportunity to get himself a good deal, than he may get at years end.
I know we'll say that Casboult serves a purpose for us right now, but there's little way known that we'd now match a high offer for him. Doesn't fit.

Unless miraculously Kreuzer gets us a band 1, you just can't see him going anywhere.
If that band 1 was attainable, it would also mean a terrific contract for Matthew.....win/win.....but I can't see it coming about.

I'm of the opinion that we've persisted with Levi out of necessity.
To have a guy on your list since 2010 put time and develope him to where all of a sudden he is crashing packs, bursting the ball, kicking at a rediculous 11.2 from set shots and more than handy in the ruck and straightening the side up.
Correct me here but isn't that why we persist and place belief in players, waiting on them to finally click, and most on here want to get rid of him.
The norm is to get rid of the guy who wins the goal kicking at the club. ( Betts, Garlett, Waite)
He is worth more to us than other teams, he allows the likes of Curnow, Weitering, Silvagni and McKay to develop whilst he takes the No1 defender.
I think this year with our structure he is not getting double and triple teamed and his confidence is growing.
The same with Kruezer, he's a beast and his second and third efforts are taken for granted. He also becomes another mid hunting the ball and mowing down all in his way.
This has to be Humphreys best and most consistent season, again he and Levi might not be around when the side is making a real run at #17 but they are worth so much more to us.
It's going to be interesting come trade/draft time. Are the whispers that Richmond are looking at Cas?

 

[Pafloyul]

He is an absolute beast, i scratch my head and question anybodies brain who thinks he isn't a star of the future.

The only people who are suggesting that are saying it tongue in cheek to protect their own interests. It's perfectly understandable. This is a list management thread and he'll be unobtainable to any side who is unwilling to sell the farm for him, if at all. I don't know why anyone is bringing his name up in this thread in the first place, tbh.

 

[Smegger]

For someone who looked to be destined for the VFL wasteland purely as back-up ASOS is fast becoming one of my favourites. Love his workrate and what he brings to the team. Tough and uncompromising.

 

[smashbox gill]

For someone who looked to be destined for the VFL wasteland purely as back-up ASOS is fast becoming one of my favourites. Love his workrate and what he brings to the team. Tough and uncompromising.

I can't believe how fast his closing speed is. I like so many questioned his recruitment, however it looks like another SOS masterstroke

 

[Kramer1]

Are the whispers that Richmond are looking at Cas?

I think you'll find Richmond's trade plans have become quite fluid over the last three weeks.

 

[Funk]

If Casboult were to leave, and we do not want to persist with Gorringe, Jones or Jaksch (I have all 3 in my 8+) then IMO Reid is what we need to give Harry a bit more space to develop.

There is absolutely no point getting Reid as FA and losing Levi as FA in the same year.

I would rather keep Levi.

 

[Funk]

I think North would rather let Goldy go and keep Preuss. What do you think?

If I got a great deal for Goldy I would let him go.