Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion

[Blue__Balls]

While we wait for Terry ... I keep thinking someone will 'be this year's Tuohy'. Any thoughts?

As in "nudged out to facilitate other trades"?

Gibbs is the one that stands out, but more so because we're assuming he probably still wants out if it's possible. Casboult the other depending on what kind of offers he attracts on the open market as a free agent. Other than that, we don't have a heap of players with value who we'd be happy to part with.

Will be interesting to see if we feel the rebuild is tracking ahead of schedule - in two drafts we've secured Weitering, Curnow, Cuningham, Silvagni, Petrevski-Seton, Williamson and Fisher who all appear to be locked in as starting senior players at the moment. McKay, Macreadie, Polson and Kerr appear to be tracking quite well.

I mean, would SOS have been planning on all 11 of those draftees coming good? I doubt it. The assumption would have been that 3-5 perhaps don't make the grade. So if we've nailed 10 out of 11 picks in two years, we may feel that we only need one more good draft haul before we focus on free agents and role players from other clubs to fill out the list. And if that's the case, we may feel that next year's first rounder is well and truly up for trading if it gets us an extra top 5 pick this year, or a high quality young player.

 

[cookie monster]

As in "nudged out to facilitate other trades"?

Gibbs is the one that stands out, but more so because we're assuming he probably still wants out if it's possible. Casboult the other depending on what kind of offers he attracts on the open market as a free agent. Other than that, we don't have a heap of players with value who we'd be happy to part with.

Will be interesting to see if we feel the rebuild is tracking ahead of schedule - in two drafts we've secured Weitering, Curnow, Cuningham, Silvagni, Petrevski-Seton, Williamson and Fisher who all appear to be locked in as starting senior players at the moment. McKay, Macreadie, Polson and Kerr appear to be tracking quite well.

I mean, would SOS have been planning on all 11 of those draftees coming good? I doubt it. The assumption would have been that 3-5 perhaps don't make the grade. So if we've nailed 10 out of 11 picks in two years, we may feel that we only need one more good draft haul before we focus on free agents and role players from other clubs to fill out the list. And if that's the case, we may feel that next year's first rounder is well and truly up for trading if it gets us an extra top 5 pick this year, or a high quality young player.

Agree with all that, my belief is that we can be an effective finals participant by 2019

 

[Jeremias]

From trublu (Talking Carlton) Not vouching for the validity of poster, but from memory had some good info previously.

I can only hope that this information is not correct.

Finally we look to be on the right track...what better time for the board to step in and muck things up?

 

[HARKER]

I can only hope that this information is not correct.

Finally we look to be on the right track...what better time for the board to step in and muck things up?

So do I, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was true.
May not be the case for all board members, but it would likely be in the conversation, given history. Same people making the same mistakes.

The pressure would be on though as without money, we can't function.
Maybe some of the board members can use their 'influence' to garner some good corporate sponsorship, rather than to head down this path....again.

 

[Jeremias]

So do I, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was true.
May not be the case for all board members, but it would likely be in the conversation, given history. Same people making the same mistakes.

Spot on.

Unfortunately, I'd be surprised if it wasn't true.

 

[LordLucifer]

**** the board members .......................

They themselves haven't done the hard yards in the recruiting & developing of players so they can sit tight for another 2-3 years whilst this panel-beating gets finished.

 

[Arr0w]

I must have missed something, what is going with the board?

 

[Blue__Balls]

I must have missed something, what is going with the board?

See post #9798 from Harker, down the bottom of the previous page.

 

[ferrisb]

"I'm hearing there has been a push by the board to land a big fish. The club is struggling with corporate support. There are some on the board who believe we need to raise the clubs profile and go for a big fish that's had plenty of marketing value. Watch this space"

From trublu (Talking Carlton) Not vouching for the validity of poster, but from memory had some good info previously.

This was always a possibility coming from the board, no matter for all the 'patience' that has been spoken about.
Even if true, it may get closed down through process, but given our history, our membership numbers, our lack of corporate sponsors, it's hard to dismiss.

Harks, I know you are just the messenger, but if true can I just say "The board can go get ******!".

 

[HARKER]

Spot on.

Unfortunately, I'd be surprised if it wasn't true.

All sorts of things should come about by way of open discussion, but it's when the factions want to go head to head, that mistakes get made.

I may be on repeat, but given our low membership numbers and poor corporate sponsorship involvement, something has to be done.
Looking for one hero though is not the way to go, although it may be seen as an easy way to patch up the now.

We'll find out who we are over the next couple of years, but somehow I feel a little bit more confident than previously.....because of Trigg.
Don't buckle Steven.

 

[ParapMarkets]

From trublu (Talking Carlton) Not vouching for the validity of poster, but from memory had some good info previously.

This was always a possibility coming from the board, no matter for all the 'patience' that has been spoken about.
Even if true, it may get closed down through process, but given our history, our membership numbers, our lack of corporate sponsors, it's hard to dismiss.

God, I hope that's not true Harker. Our profile will lift when we become a genuine contender. For the first time this century I feel we are on the right track, we are really developing a good core of young players, depth like the Bulldogs have. They had to know there would be short term pain by going down the path we have chosen. Getting a "big fish" too early just feels like the easy way out.

 

[Arr0w]

From trublu (Talking Carlton) Not vouching for the validity of poster, but from memory had some good info previously.

This was always a possibility coming from the board, no matter for all the 'patience' that has been spoken about.
Even if true, it may get closed down through process, but given our history, our membership numbers, our lack of corporate sponsors, it's hard to dismiss.

Surely not coming from Zac Fried? Perhaps he should concentrate on strategies to not only improve marketability, but supporter and member engagement/satisfaction, rather that someone else giving him a free hit. Let's hope it goes to a vote and it's not carried. Doubt SOS will give up the farm and more than enough exciting talent to create great market strategies.

 

[LordLucifer]

Our profile will lift when we become a genuine contender.

We don't need to be a contender, our profile lifted immensely on the weekend with that gritty win.

If Carlton fans don't want to sign up as members now, they never will so throwing stupid money at a big name player is not going to solve that problem.

 

[Doro]

My money is on a bit of online mischief making, rather than board interference issues. More form in the former recently than the latter.

 

[Red Bull]

I must have missed something, what is going with the board?

Just an itch that needs to be scratched .
Happens from time to time here ...

 

[ferrisb]

My money is on a bit of online mischief making, rather than board interference issues. More form in the former recently than the latter.

Agree, except Carlton board interference and ineptitude predates the internet....

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

We don't need to be a contender, our profile lifted immensely on the weekend with that gritty win.

If Carlton fans don't want to sign up as members now, they never will so throwing stupid money at a big name player is not going to solve that problem.

Can't say I agree. The win will excite some into considering it, but it's halfway through the season and that will be a turn off to some. It might get them thinking about next year though, but I doubt we will see a spike in memberships right now.

 

[LordLucifer]

Can't say I agree. The win will excite some into considering it, but it's halfway through the season and that will be a turn off to some. It might get them thinking about next year though, but I doubt we will see a spike in memberships right now.

Missed the point there, it was a figurative comment, not one that I was expecting an instant spike in memberships.

By the way, if someone wants to wait until next year to sign up, then they are a fairweather supporter IMO.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Missed the point there, it was a figurative comment, not one that I was expecting an instant spike in memberships.

By the way, if someone wants to wait until next year to sign up, then they are a fairweather supporter IMO.

Read your first sentence, was about to click like, then read the next one.

Wouldn't signing up halfway through be the same?

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Missed the point there, it was a figurative comment, not one that I was expecting an instant spike in memberships.

By the way, if someone wants to wait until next year to sign up, then they are a fairweather supporter IMO.

Or maybe they're quite poor and wait for good seasons to show their support as they can't do it every year?

 

[Donstuie]

From trublu (Talking Carlton) Not vouching for the validity of poster...

Nor should you...

 

[LordLucifer]

Read your first sentence, was about to click like, then read the next one.

Wouldn't signing up halfway through be the same?

To be honest, I don't care when they sign up, I just want them to sign up.

 

[Doro]

Agree, except Carlton board interference and ineptitude predates the internet....

SOS would just chuckle a little, point to his draft record in the last 2 years, throw the tray of prawn sandwiches across the mystery board members/s and slam the boardroom door on the way out. I don't believe a word of it.

 

[TerryWallet]

What do you see Terry?
What would your plan of attack be, this and next year?

This is really what this thread should be about. Put yourself in SOS's shoes and map out the future of the list.
There will be plenty of ideas that don't quite work, but there will be some good ideas that warrant further discussion.

I feel:

No Free agents in 2017. One big ticket item next year.
Next years first will be on the table for the right situation (Kelly?)
We will keep this years first at just about all cost.
We will work with GWS again. Even though SOS is out of their loop, he's still smart enough to put the numbers together, to advantage.
If a band 2 or 3 is forthcoming for Casboult, he will be let go.
Even though I can see Gibbs going this year, I wouldn't be planning for it just yet.
No young players will be traded. Not McKay, nor CCurnow.....not one.

Well Harks, i'm not much into the wildly speculative future trading scenario business because i just don't know the parameters of the Club's situation or the players mentioned.

I just try to apply basic logics as much as possible to the speculation though.

For example, i would most like us to continue on the draft path for 2 more drafts. But there may be an imperative to get a quality ready made mid in for reasons varying from a commitment to help Crippa when we re-signed him, to it always being part of the SOS/Bolton/Trigg plan. I just don't know.

What i logically see/want happening this year, from the outside, is:

1) Us trying to turn Gibbs into Hopper(but this is dependant on Kelly staying at GWS i'd think). Or taking the Gibbs Pick(s) to the draft.
2)Us letting Casboult go to ANY club for ANY offer.(it will be band 3 or 4. 3 if a club is Mayne/Vickery type stupid. More likely 4).
3) Keeping Murphy and Kruezer. Especially as i see Simmo hanging them up. They are apparently working well with younger players.
4) Moving to the new Leadership of Doc and Crippa.
5) Making the big money play to a FA, not a player we have to sell the farm for trade wise.(we have 2 to 4 years to identify)

That's about it for us. There will be other tinkering of course, but as of this time, i/we have no idea.

The spitballing is totally harmless of course, but i just find some of the outlandish 1 sided trading speculation on ALL Club Boards quite humorous.

 

[Unknown Origin]

We don't need to be a contender, our profile lifted immensely on the weekend with that gritty win.

If Carlton fans don't want to sign up as members now, they never will so throwing stupid money at a big name player is not going to solve that problem.

That is naive. A LOT of supporters are impatient. It's human nature for people to want success immediately and given our culture has been based on this for decades up until the Bolton era, there will still be hoards of old school supporters with this mentality.