List Mgmt. 2017 Rookie Draft

[Bicks]

Dunstan's last 6 weeks of the 2017 was excellent. There's no way he's a 50/50 proposition at Saints anymore (to address another previous poster).

He'll need to keep his finger pulled out because he'll soon have Hunter Clark and Nick Coffield snapping at his heels.

 

[azza77]

Dunstan's last 6 weeks of the 2017 was excellent. There's no way he's a 50/50 proposition at Saints anymore (to address another previous poster).

Take a closer look at a Saints best 22 and you'll probably see why he's still considered a 50/50 proposition.

I have him on the bench, but that's with Armitage, Freeman and H. Clark out of the side. His end to the year was great yes, but when all fit there are other much more attractive options than a fairly vanilla Dunstan.

 

[Thetrader15]

Take a closer look at a Saints best 22 and you'll probably see why he's still considered a 50/50 proposition.

I have him on the bench, but that's with Armitage, Freeman and H. Clark out of the side. His end to the year was great yes, but when all fit there are other much more attractive options than a fairly vanilla Dunstan.

Freeman would need to get on the park first...just once even

 

[azza77]

Freeman would need to get on the park first...just once even

And absolutely no doubting that too.

But if he does manage to get his body right then he’d leapfrog someone like Dunstan easily.

Again, not doubting that he had a good second half of the season, but Saints have a lot of Quality mids, and quality youngsters that make it hard to see Dunstan still being a main stay.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Freeman would need to get on the park first...just once even

He did play the last 7-8 games of the VFL season, so there's optimism for this year

 

[MRB37]

He did play the last 7-8 games of the VFL season, so there's optimism for this year

Played most of the year in the VFL. Only missed some time because of an ankle injury, and as far as St Kilda would be concerned, as long as it's not is hammies they'd probably be happy.

Started racking up some huge numbers in the last 4-5 games he played before he got hurt. Had a 37 disposal game and a few 30 disposal games.

 

[crows dude]

I sent an email to the AFL earlier this month to get them to send me confirmation on what I have been hearing about Category A Rookies being allowed to play from this year without being upgraded.

Patrick Keane just replied with the article that i somehow missed.

Historic AFL and AFLPA agreement signed today in Adelaide.


AFL Chairman Richard Goyder and President Matthew Pavlich today signed a 6-year agreement covering total player payment levels, increases to player salaries, the Player Retirement Scheme and injury and hardship support, together with a significant increase to player education, development and wellbeing programs.


The new agreement recognises the significant contribution the AFL players make to the football industry with a share of defined forecast revenue streams and mechanisms that tie further benefits to the success of the industry.


AFL Chairman, Mr. Richard Goyder said that the agreement delivered within the investment model established by the AFL Commission and was a win for all the key pillars of the AFL’s strategy - players, clubs, fans and the grassroots of the game.


“This is a great outcome for our industry, delivering certainty and stability, respecting our players, and allowing the AFL to invest in the future.


“Our players play the toughest, fastest and most spectacular game in the world, and this agreement rewards their role,” Mr. Goyder said.


“We are very proud to work in partnership with our players to protect and grow the game, and I thank the Association for their strong advocacy on behalf of their members, and their commitment to the whole game.


AFLPA CEO Paul Marsh said the new CBA will benefit players of the past, present and future, and incentivises them to work with the AFL to grow the game over the next six years.


“This CBA rewards the players for the role they’ve played, and continue to play, in making our game great. It also ensures the industry is primed to grow grassroots football, maintain 18 strong clubs and continue to deliver an incredible product for fans.


“The players’ guiding principle through this negotiation was partnership and we’re thrilled to secure a deal that reflects this.


“The AFL Players’ Association is committed to working with the AFL, AFL Clubs, players and other football stakeholders to drive growth and strengthen the AFL industry’s position as the most successful professional sport in Australia.”


AFLPA President, Mr. Matthew Pavlich says this negotiation was driven by the players and the final result was testament to their desire to be recognized as a genuine partner in the game.


“The players gave the ‘PA 10 key priorities to achieve in the new CBA and we’ve been able to generate outcomes in all of them. The fact that players overwhelmingly voted for the deal highlights the unity demonstrated by players throughout the negotiation,” he said.


“This CBA will leave a legacy that the current players should be proud of,” Mr. Pavlich said.


Summary of the Agreement


Player payments:



· TPP will increase by 20 per cent in 2017, to $12.45 million per club ($224m in total), with increases of 1.2%, 1.3%, 2%, 2%, 2% in years 2018-2022.

o Players receive 28 per cent of forecast defined football revenue and benefit from a review mechanism that captures a share of additional AFL and club revenue.

o Players are entitled to receive 28% of AFL revenues and 11.2% of club revenues above forecasts.

o The agreed model excludes certain revenues and contemplates margins and affordability. Exclusions to the model includes bequests, donations, government grants, non-football revenues and AFLW revenue.

· The minimum rookie payment will increase to $71,500 in 2017, while the base payment for a first round draft pick will rise to $88,200 in 2017.


Increased investment in Education, Development, Wellbeing and Retirement:



· An extra $6 million of funding into player retirement accounts over the six years.

· Increased funding over the agreement to $13m for player development and a new industry-wide structure for delivery

· Modernised injury payments model, guaranteed funding of $250,000 annually for concussion research and improved travel and accommodation conditions.

· Past players will benefit from the establishment of a Lifetime Health Care program that will provide assistance with the costs of joint-related and dental procedures stemming from their football careers.


· Category-A rookie-listed players will be eligible to play senior football from 2018


Free Agency:


· Players no longer need to be restricted free agents before becoming unrestricted.


· Other free agency qualification periods remain as is (8 years restricted (if in top 25% of paid players at club) 10 years unrestricted.


· Also, at least one additional free agency provision to be adopted by October 2017, from:

o Free agency for life

o Free agency portability

o Restricted free agency at 4 years for any players under median salary

o Such other change proposed by AFL and agreed by AFLPA


Rgds


Patrick Keane

AFL Media Manager

 

[jenny61_99]

I sent an email to the AFL earlier this month to get them to send me confirmation on what I have been hearing about Category A Rookies being allowed to play from this year without being upgraded.

Patrick Keane just replied with the article that i somehow missed.

Historic AFL and AFLPA agreement signed today in Adelaide.


AFL Chairman Richard Goyder and President Matthew Pavlich today signed a 6-year agreement covering total player payment levels, increases to player salaries, the Player Retirement Scheme and injury and hardship support, together with a significant increase to player education, development and wellbeing programs.


The new agreement recognises the significant contribution the AFL players make to the football industry with a share of defined forecast revenue streams and mechanisms that tie further benefits to the success of the industry.


AFL Chairman, Mr. Richard Goyder said that the agreement delivered within the investment model established by the AFL Commission and was a win for all the key pillars of the AFL’s strategy - players, clubs, fans and the grassroots of the game.


“This is a great outcome for our industry, delivering certainty and stability, respecting our players, and allowing the AFL to invest in the future.


“Our players play the toughest, fastest and most spectacular game in the world, and this agreement rewards their role,” Mr. Goyder said.


“We are very proud to work in partnership with our players to protect and grow the game, and I thank the Association for their strong advocacy on behalf of their members, and their commitment to the whole game.


AFLPA CEO Paul Marsh said the new CBA will benefit players of the past, present and future, and incentivises them to work with the AFL to grow the game over the next six years.


“This CBA rewards the players for the role they’ve played, and continue to play, in making our game great. It also ensures the industry is primed to grow grassroots football, maintain 18 strong clubs and continue to deliver an incredible product for fans.


“The players’ guiding principle through this negotiation was partnership and we’re thrilled to secure a deal that reflects this.


“The AFL Players’ Association is committed to working with the AFL, AFL Clubs, players and other football stakeholders to drive growth and strengthen the AFL industry’s position as the most successful professional sport in Australia.”


AFLPA President, Mr. Matthew Pavlich says this negotiation was driven by the players and the final result was testament to their desire to be recognized as a genuine partner in the game.


“The players gave the ‘PA 10 key priorities to achieve in the new CBA and we’ve been able to generate outcomes in all of them. The fact that players overwhelmingly voted for the deal highlights the unity demonstrated by players throughout the negotiation,” he said.


“This CBA will leave a legacy that the current players should be proud of,” Mr. Pavlich said.


Summary of the Agreement


Player payments:



· TPP will increase by 20 per cent in 2017, to $12.45 million per club ($224m in total), with increases of 1.2%, 1.3%, 2%, 2%, 2% in years 2018-2022.

o Players receive 28 per cent of forecast defined football revenue and benefit from a review mechanism that captures a share of additional AFL and club revenue.

o Players are entitled to receive 28% of AFL revenues and 11.2% of club revenues above forecasts.

o The agreed model excludes certain revenues and contemplates margins and affordability. Exclusions to the model includes bequests, donations, government grants, non-football revenues and AFLW revenue.

· The minimum rookie payment will increase to $71,500 in 2017, while the base payment for a first round draft pick will rise to $88,200 in 2017.


Increased investment in Education, Development, Wellbeing and Retirement:



· An extra $6 million of funding into player retirement accounts over the six years.

· Increased funding over the agreement to $13m for player development and a new industry-wide structure for delivery

· Modernised injury payments model, guaranteed funding of $250,000 annually for concussion research and improved travel and accommodation conditions.

· Past players will benefit from the establishment of a Lifetime Health Care program that will provide assistance with the costs of joint-related and dental procedures stemming from their football careers.


· Category-A rookie-listed players will be eligible to play senior football from 2018


Free Agency:


· Players no longer need to be restricted free agents before becoming unrestricted.


· Other free agency qualification periods remain as is (8 years restricted (if in top 25% of paid players at club) 10 years unrestricted.


· Also, at least one additional free agency provision to be adopted by October 2017, from:

o Free agency for life

o Free agency portability

o Restricted free agency at 4 years for any players under median salary

o Such other change proposed by AFL and agreed by AFLPA


Rgds


Patrick Keane

AFL Media Manager

What does: Players no longer need to be restricted free agents before becoming unrestricted, mean (in the context of the rest of that article)?

 

[Danger in Texas]

Free Agency:


· Players no longer need to be restricted free agents before becoming unrestricted.


· Other free agency qualification periods remain as is (8 years restricted (if in top 25% of paid players at club) 10 years unrestricted.

Off topic, but this means Sloane is UFA

Well that helps

 

[Next Gen Rookie]

Off topic, but this means Sloane is UFA

Well that helps

He's not. He must fulfil the following (Clause 1.2 is about being in the Top 25% of club players)

(b) A Player who meets the criteria under Rule 1.2(a) will not be a Restricted Free Agent, and will be a Free Agent, in a particular year where both of the following apply:
(i) his Contract of Service expires on or before 31 October in a particular year being equal to or greater than his tenth consecutive year as a Player on the Primary and/or Rookie List of the Player’s Current Club; and
(ii) he has already entered into a new Contract of Service with his Current Club once following 1 March in his eighth consecutive AFL Season on the Primary and/or Rookie List of that Club.


Rory signed his contract extension, on or near, 15 June 2015 (or his 7th year). So he doesn't fulfil point 2.

 

[Sanders]

He's not. He must fulfil the following (Clause 1.2 is about being in the Top 25% of club players)

(b) A Player who meets the criteria under Rule 1.2(a) will not be a Restricted Free Agent, and will be a Free Agent, in a particular year where both of the following apply:
(i) his Contract of Service expires on or before 31 October in a particular year being equal to or greater than his tenth consecutive year as a Player on the Primary and/or Rookie List of the Player’s Current Club; and
(ii) he has already entered into a new Contract of Service with his Current Club once following 1 March in his eighth consecutive AFL Season on the Primary and/or Rookie List of that Club.


Rory signed his contract extension, on or near, 15 June 2015 (or his 7th year). So he doesn't fulfil point 2.

Part ii sounds in conflict with the announcement above. It is in effect saying you need to be restricted first

The AFL media release says you do not. Presumably why clubs and media think he’s UFA

The official list will be out soon which will clarify.

 

[Thetrader15]

He's not. He must fulfil the following (Clause 1.2 is about being in the Top 25% of club players)

(b) A Player who meets the criteria under Rule 1.2(a) will not be a Restricted Free Agent, and will be a Free Agent, in a particular year where both of the following apply:
(i) his Contract of Service expires on or before 31 October in a particular year being equal to or greater than his tenth consecutive year as a Player on the Primary and/or Rookie List of the Player’s Current Club; and
(ii) he has already entered into a new Contract of Service with his Current Club once following 1 March in his eighth consecutive AFL Season on the Primary and/or Rookie List of that Club.


Rory signed his contract extension, on or near, 15 June 2015 (or his 7th year). So he doesn't fulfil point 2.

I hope you are right!!!!...Hmm, Jack or Izak?

 

[Thetrader15]

I sent an email to the AFL earlier this month to get them to send me confirmation on what I have been hearing about Category A Rookies being allowed to play from this year without being upgraded.

Patrick Keane just replied with the article that i somehow missed.

Historic AFL and AFLPA agreement signed today in Adelaide.


AFL Chairman Richard Goyder and President Matthew Pavlich today signed a 6-year agreement covering total player payment levels, increases to player salaries, the Player Retirement Scheme and injury and hardship support, together with a significant increase to player education, development and wellbeing programs.


The new agreement recognises the significant contribution the AFL players make to the football industry with a share of defined forecast revenue streams and mechanisms that tie further benefits to the success of the industry.


AFL Chairman, Mr. Richard Goyder said that the agreement delivered within the investment model established by the AFL Commission and was a win for all the key pillars of the AFL’s strategy - players, clubs, fans and the grassroots of the game.


“This is a great outcome for our industry, delivering certainty and stability, respecting our players, and allowing the AFL to invest in the future.


“Our players play the toughest, fastest and most spectacular game in the world, and this agreement rewards their role,” Mr. Goyder said.


“We are very proud to work in partnership with our players to protect and grow the game, and I thank the Association for their strong advocacy on behalf of their members, and their commitment to the whole game.


AFLPA CEO Paul Marsh said the new CBA will benefit players of the past, present and future, and incentivises them to work with the AFL to grow the game over the next six years.


“This CBA rewards the players for the role they’ve played, and continue to play, in making our game great. It also ensures the industry is primed to grow grassroots football, maintain 18 strong clubs and continue to deliver an incredible product for fans.


“The players’ guiding principle through this negotiation was partnership and we’re thrilled to secure a deal that reflects this.


“The AFL Players’ Association is committed to working with the AFL, AFL Clubs, players and other football stakeholders to drive growth and strengthen the AFL industry’s position as the most successful professional sport in Australia.”


AFLPA President, Mr. Matthew Pavlich says this negotiation was driven by the players and the final result was testament to their desire to be recognized as a genuine partner in the game.


“The players gave the ‘PA 10 key priorities to achieve in the new CBA and we’ve been able to generate outcomes in all of them. The fact that players overwhelmingly voted for the deal highlights the unity demonstrated by players throughout the negotiation,” he said.


“This CBA will leave a legacy that the current players should be proud of,” Mr. Pavlich said.


Summary of the Agreement


Player payments:



· TPP will increase by 20 per cent in 2017, to $12.45 million per club ($224m in total), with increases of 1.2%, 1.3%, 2%, 2%, 2% in years 2018-2022.

o Players receive 28 per cent of forecast defined football revenue and benefit from a review mechanism that captures a share of additional AFL and club revenue.

o Players are entitled to receive 28% of AFL revenues and 11.2% of club revenues above forecasts.

o The agreed model excludes certain revenues and contemplates margins and affordability. Exclusions to the model includes bequests, donations, government grants, non-football revenues and AFLW revenue.

· The minimum rookie payment will increase to $71,500 in 2017, while the base payment for a first round draft pick will rise to $88,200 in 2017.


Increased investment in Education, Development, Wellbeing and Retirement:



· An extra $6 million of funding into player retirement accounts over the six years.

· Increased funding over the agreement to $13m for player development and a new industry-wide structure for delivery

· Modernised injury payments model, guaranteed funding of $250,000 annually for concussion research and improved travel and accommodation conditions.

· Past players will benefit from the establishment of a Lifetime Health Care program that will provide assistance with the costs of joint-related and dental procedures stemming from their football careers.


· Category-A rookie-listed players will be eligible to play senior football from 2018


Free Agency:


· Players no longer need to be restricted free agents before becoming unrestricted.


· Other free agency qualification periods remain as is (8 years restricted (if in top 25% of paid players at club) 10 years unrestricted.


· Also, at least one additional free agency provision to be adopted by October 2017, from:

o Free agency for life

o Free agency portability

o Restricted free agency at 4 years for any players under median salary

o Such other change proposed by AFL and agreed by AFLPA


Rgds


Patrick Keane

AFL Media Manager

Read the whole thing and didn't see the bit explaining why they are saying it's a 'win for fans'...

And is it just me, or did the negotiations take FOREVER (lucky for Jake) and just end up being everything the players were asking for

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Guys guys guys

If the AFL think Sloane is UFA, just Trust that Rucci will write to them to correct their error, just like he did with Gibbs and Burton and Betts.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

He's not. He must fulfil the following (Clause 1.2 is about being in the Top 25% of club players)

(b) A Player who meets the criteria under Rule 1.2(a) will not be a Restricted Free Agent, and will be a Free Agent, in a particular year where both of the following apply:
(i) his Contract of Service expires on or before 31 October in a particular year being equal to or greater than his tenth consecutive year as a Player on the Primary and/or Rookie List of the Player’s Current Club; and
(ii) he has already entered into a new Contract of Service with his Current Club once following 1 March in his eighth consecutive AFL Season on the Primary and/or Rookie List of that Club.


Rory signed his contract extension, on or near, 15 June 2015 (or his 7th year). So he doesn't fulfil point 2.

are these the current rules or the old ones though?

 

[GrommoT]

are these the current rules or the old ones though?

Those clauses listed by NGR are on page 113 of the 2017-2022 CBA, the first doc listed on the players association's resources page:

http://www.aflplayers.com.au/resources/

 

[Thetrader15]

Those clauses listed by NGR are on page 113 of the 2017-2022 CBA, the first doc listed on the players association's resources page:

http://www.aflplayers.com.au/resources/

So you're telling me there's a chance

 

[GrommoT]

So you're telling me there's a chance

 

[Sanders]

Those clauses listed by NGR are on page 113 of the 2017-2022 CBA, the first doc listed on the players association's resources page:

http://www.aflplayers.com.au/resources/

And in conflict with the AFL’s own press release, media understanding and even public comments by other clubs

I don’t know the answer, but there are reasons to doubt

 

[GrommoT]

And in conflict with the AFL’s own press release, media understanding and even public comments by other clubs

I don’t know the answer, but there are reasons to doubt

The AFL's website is probably not the most stringently maintained of sites. Their policies page still lists the 2015/16 CBA agreement and they have published a news report of the new CBS mentioning the AFL having to provide WA clubs with business class seats that is in Schedule C – Minimum Terms and Conditions of the new agreement but not in the preceding agreement.

http://www.afl.com.au/policies
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-06-20/wa-clubs-to-get-business-class-flights-under-new-cba

 

[Next Gen Rookie]

Part ii sounds in conflict with the announcement above. It is in effect saying you need to be restricted first

The AFL media release says you do not. Presumably why clubs and media think he’s UFA

The official list will be out soon which will clarify.

My understanding of the rule prior was that you had to come out of contract (ie be restricted first) before being a 10 year UFA. Now, you could be coming ouf of contract in your 9th year, and sign a new deal in your 8th year that take you to 10th year, and just be a UFA. Never out of contract before - that was not possible in the old rules - you had to come out of contract 1 time before being a 10 year UFA.

And yes, thanks to GrommoT - the 2017-2022 CBA - which was located in his links thread
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/grommots-links.1175708/